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<a href='http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/colleges/university_of_south_carolina/6224563.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sport...ina/6224563.htm</a>
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As I said on AST, I'm not as opposed to this as I once was. I'm feeling neautral about the whole thing right now.

Either way........whether it's football or men's basketball......we're going to be in a tough league. I can understand Odom's point about the travel and time changes. I can't lie: a return to the ACC under these circumstances would get the old heart pumping.........it would interesting, to say the least.

But I'm fine either way: both leagues have their good points for USC and we need to think long and hard about any future moves. We're in a pretty good position.........
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Galactus Wrote:As I said on AST, I'm not as opposed to this as I once was. I'm feeling neautral about the whole thing right now.

Either way........whether it's football or men's basketball......we're going to be in a tough league. I can understand Odom's point about the travel and time changes. I can't lie: a return to the ACC under these circumstances would get the old heart pumping.........it would interesting, to say the least.

But I'm fine either way: both leagues have their good points for USC and we need to think long and hard about any future moves. We're in a pretty good position.........
As I posted on AST....NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Been there, done that. I refuse to trade the gameday atmosphere at WB for the UT, UF, UGA, LSU, BAMA, etc games for the likes of Duke, Wake, NC, etc.

It will be perceived, nationwide, that we couldn't handle the competition in the SEC so we bolted for the ACC.

I've been a season ticket holder and a Full Scholly donar going on 17 years. I have worked my way from west upper deck seats to club level seats on the east side. If the powers that be decided to move back to the ACC, they can take my seats and stick 'um where the sun doesn't shine. Not that it would make any difference mind you.
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My take: Ole Ron Morris couldn't get the answer he wanted from the USC brass, so he conjures up a story so he wouldn't get fired.
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1st and Goal Wrote:Been there, done that. I refuse to trade the gameday atmosphere at WB for the UT, UF, UGA, LSU, BAMA, etc games for the likes of Duke, Wake, NC, etc.
Well, I guess I'm thinking about both football AND basketball.......I know many of our fans are primarily concerned with football. But the new ACC wouldn't be too bad in football. Like I say, I really don't care what we do. I'm fine either way. I think both leagues are going to bring us a huge challenge in football and basketball........so we've got our work cut out for us either way.

I understand your strong sentiments though, believe me. My mom is as emotional of a fan as they come.........and her passionate hatred of the ACC is something else!! :eek:
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I wish my mom hated the ACC 03-wink
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My mom is a tater, no kidding 03-puke
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1st and Goal Wrote:Been there, done that. I refuse to trade the gameday atmosphere at WB for the UT, UF, UGA, LSU, BAMA, etc games for the likes of Duke, Wake, NC, etc.
Trying to say you folks couldn't get up for:
- Florida State
- Miami (FL)
- Virginia Tech
- Maryland
- Virginia
- NC State

All of which are ranked teams.

Perhaps these local rivalry games would be boring too:
- North Carolina
- Clemson
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Trying to say you folks couldn't get up for:
- Florida State
- Miami (FL)
- Virginia Tech
- Maryland
- Virginia
- NC State

All of which are ranked teams.

Perhaps these local rivalry games would be boring too:
- North Carolina
- Clemson
Out of your list, I could only see the following teams causing a "stir" in Williams-Brice

FSU
Miami
NCSU
UNC
CU

We're already playing CU, so that's a moot point. Of the others, we generally hate both UNC and NCSU, so I'll give you that one, but not because they're traditionally excellent teams. Far from it.

No, out of that list, only FSU and Miami bring the cachet that at least a half dozen SEC teams do. And Miami is a notoriously poor travelling school (as is all of the ACC except for maybe FSU and CU), so the whole element of "battling the interloping fans" is lost. Something that makes SEC matchups so cool. SEC fans travel like the dickens.

We'd definitely be taking a step down in the gameday atmosphere department by picking up an ACC schedule. No doubt.
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[quote="georgia_tech_swagger"] [quote="1st and Goal"] Been there, done that. I refuse to trade the gameday atmosphere at WB for the UT, UF, UGA, LSU, BAMA, etc games
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
1st and Goal Wrote:Been there, done that. I refuse to trade the gameday atmosphere at WB for the UT, UF, UGA, LSU, BAMA, etc games&nbsp; for the likes of Duke, Wake, NC, etc.
Trying to say you folks couldn't get up for:
- Florida State
- Miami (FL)
- Virginia Tech
- Maryland
- Virginia
- NC State

All of which are ranked teams.

Perhaps these local rivalry games would be boring too:
- North Carolina
- Clemson
Get up for Maryland???? 03-lol 03-lol 03-lol

And dude, I have been to a few UVA games and while I do love them, it's not even close to going to Kentucky, whose not even ranked...
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Besides the points above, who wants to deal with the acc refs all the time? 05-nono
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SouthLink02 Wrote:
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:
1st and Goal Wrote:Been there, done that. I refuse to trade the gameday atmosphere at WB for the UT, UF, UGA, LSU, BAMA, etc games&nbsp; for the likes of Duke, Wake, NC, etc.
Trying to say you folks couldn't get up for:
- Florida State
- Miami (FL)
- Virginia Tech
- Maryland
- Virginia
- NC State

All of which are ranked teams.

Perhaps these local rivalry games would be boring too:
- North Carolina
- Clemson
Get up for Maryland???? 03-lol 03-lol 03-lol

And dude, I have been to a few UVA games and while I do love them, it's not even close to going to Kentucky, whose not even ranked...
Yes, Maryland.

Nothing pisses me off more than losing to our ex-OC and then seeing that fat ******* sing their fight song.
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1st and Goal Wrote:I really can't believe you said Clemson would be a boring rival. You do realize they are in the same state as us don't you? You realize the USC-sCUm rivalry is one of the oldest in the country don't you?
I think he was making a point through sarcasm.

Coq, good points!

State & UNC would bring 5-6K tops on good years. Less if they're struggling. I don't know much about how well VPI's fans travel. We couldn't give enough tix to UGA, UT, or UF when they play here. Seems like 'Bama had a good crowd in Col back in '01 as well.
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I can see where series with UNC would be huge in basketball, but in football??? To me, it would be like watching Kentucky battle the IU Hoosiers. I'm sure it's a pretty exciting for UK and IU fans, but other than that, who really cares??? I will admit though that any South Carolina vs Clemson game is good, and I only wish I could have seen more than just the one I seen while I was at college (3-8 Clemson vs 1-10 South Carolina). :frown: I loved watching that game on ESPN.
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For the future of all our sports, and for the academic well-being of the Carolina athletic program, and for the very image of the school, the ACC is where we need to be if the opportunity arises.

I know that you boys expect me to be contrary and against the grain. And I have been a cynical poster. But I love the University, its teams, and our state. I honest-to-goodness believe that this would be the best course we could take.

And I'll venture to say one other thing. The younger fans who have known SEC affiliation but never ACC affiliation would love it in time. I believe that with all my heart.
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King Ward Wrote:For the future of all our sports, and for the academic well-being of the Carolina athletic program, and for the very image of the school, the ACC is where we need to be if the opportunity arises.

I know that you boys expect me to be contrary and against the grain.&nbsp; And I have been a cynical poster.&nbsp; But I love the University, its teams, and our state.&nbsp; I honest-to-goodness believe that this would be the best course we could take.&nbsp;

And I'll venture to say one other thing.&nbsp; The younger fans who have known SEC affiliation but never ACC affiliation would love it in time.&nbsp; I believe that with all my heart.
King Ward, let me start by saying that I am very familiar with the so-called academic reputation of the ACC, and I'm familiar with where the SEC stands in reference to academics as well. However, you cannot say that the SEC is not trying to make progress in trying to change its image of being a renegade conference where academics, for all practical intents and purposes, amount to a hill of beans. Vanderbilt, the one SEC school I have never been too fond of, has been the one school trying to change the SEC's reputation in the academic arena, and it looks like it is working so far. There will always be some schools that never really do value academics that much, like Tennessee and LSU, but there are other schools out there that really do plan on making changes in how they handle academics. I think Alabama really does want to change its academic image. With all the past scandals it has to deal with over the years, UA has begun to realize that athletics aren't everything and they really do need to be constantly raising the bar in academics as well.
The University of Alabama system has the weirdest conglomeration of campuses I have ever seen. UA- Tuscaloosa, the one you're most familiar with, is the one that's trying to improve its mediocre academic standing. UAB, other hand, has excellent academics, and would be a school that you probably wouldn't mind having in the SEC for academics purposes. Athletic purposes would be a verrry different story though.
Auburn has always had great academic program, but they seem to have a double standard for students and athletes. Maybe that is starting to change now. Do not give up hope on seeing the SEC improving in the academic department.

As far as athletics are concerned, the SEC is indeed trying to diversify its athletic portfolio. For example, pre-South Carolina & Arkansas, there was little to zero interest in the men's basketball programs at Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn. That is not the case now, especially in light of what has happened in the college football landscape. Interest in college baseball has definitely grown. Also, you would be surprised to find out that my own UGa Bulldogs have club lacrosse team now. Who says the SEC won't be offering more of the "refined" sports in the future? 03-wink Even interest in women's sports are growing.

My whole point is this: I would not give up on the SEC yet. The SEC is catching up to the ACC in academics, basketball, and other sports, while maintaining its status as the best collegiate football conference in America. I do think that South Carolina might need to upgrade its schedule in football and basketball some, and play some old ACC foes, but that's about all I would do as far as the ACC is concerned. South Carolina football has made the most progress it has ever made in the SEC, so I think that, in due time, South Carolina will have more football rivalries that the fans will really get up for besides Tennessee and Georgia, and I also think that South Carolina will also have more basketball rivalries in the SEC as well, over time, but that's just my opinion. If you still want to go to the ACC, that's fine with me, but I wouldn't give up on the SEC just yet.
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BTW, RaptorCox, what do you think about the above post? 03-wink Please do go into detail in your comments on it. 03-wink
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Dawg,

That was a well-reasoned post. I appreciate it.
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I don't know if anyone realizes but LSU's academic standards have sky-rocketed in the last 5 years. They are where UGA was 15 years ago.

Don't just assume that LSU is horrible because of their past. They are moving in the right direction and now need people to get decent grades to get in.
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