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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
Given enough time, yes. Everything and everyone will eventually dissolve.

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11-13-2017 03:02 PM
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
It's the ACC that will fall apart before the Big 12. They are a house of cards ESPN created football conference and relatively new money. The Big 12 is top to bottom better than the ACC. The ACC is a historical light heavyweight with 5 Big East schools plus a CUSA school. The penalties that Louisville, Miami and North Carolina have earned haven't even begun to take their toll. When they do, you will see those 3 looking like the SWC schools and Oklahoma of the 90's. The ACC is also tied 100% to ESPN for the next 20 years. I think ESPN will be in trouble over the next few years. The ACC is the endangered species here..that's always been and still is my prediction. We shall see.
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11-13-2017 03:44 PM
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-13-2017 02:44 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Agree with Attackcoog, and I think you may see ESPN lay the groundwork for this by holding the line pretty low on the upcoming AAC and MW TV contracts.

EDIT: Also don't believe the "it all comes down to Texas" thing is for sure. If a conference can pull away Oklahoma and Kansas then Texas may be forced to bail even if they weren't planning to. Given that those schools have to know how precarious it is to remain in a conference that's only viable so long as Texas is there, they may be inclined to jump ship first if it means securing their future.
I believe the MW will not have ESPN in the next contract. Tne AAC is still probably tied to them if they still have the right to match clause with ESPN.
11-13-2017 03:56 PM
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-13-2017 03:44 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's the ACC that will fall apart before the Big 12. They are a house of cards ESPN created football conference and relatively new money. The Big 12 is top to bottom better than the ACC. The ACC is a historical light heavyweight with 5 Big East schools plus a CUSA school. The penalties that Louisville, Miami and North Carolina have earned haven't even begun to take their toll. When they do, you will see those 3 looking like the SWC schools and Oklahoma of the 90's. The ACC is also tied 100% to ESPN for the next 20 years. I think ESPN will be in trouble over the next few years. The ACC is the endangered species here..that's always been and still is my prediction. We shall see.

With all their schools locked in until the mid-2030s, I haven't seen a realistic explanation of how that conference could fall apart.

(11-13-2017 03:56 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I believe the MW will not have ESPN in the next contract. Tne AAC is still probably tied to them if they still have the right to match clause with ESPN.

Whether or not the MW and AAC remain with ESPN doesn't really matter in this scenario, only that the schools receive a low enough payout that poaching them to a tweener conference getting like 7-9 million a school annually remains viable. If ESPN isn't going to drive up the bidding, it's tough to see, like, Fox Sports and Youtube getting into a bidding war that ends in the AAC getting nine figures a year in media rights for the conference.
11-13-2017 04:15 PM
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-13-2017 03:44 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's the ACC that will fall apart before the Big 12. They are a house of cards ESPN created football conference and relatively new money. The Big 12 is top to bottom better than the ACC. The ACC is a historical light heavyweight with 5 Big East schools plus a CUSA school. The penalties that Louisville, Miami and North Carolina have earned haven't even begun to take their toll. When they do, you will see those 3 looking like the SWC schools and Oklahoma of the 90's. The ACC is also tied 100% to ESPN for the next 20 years. I think ESPN will be in trouble over the next few years. The ACC is the endangered species here..that's always been and still is my prediction. We shall see.

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11-13-2017 04:20 PM
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(11-13-2017 03:56 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I believe the MW will not have ESPN in the next contract. Tne AAC is still probably tied to them if they still have the right to match clause with ESPN.

ESPN still needs inventory for the 7pm Pacific timeslot. Unless ESPN helps the AAC add some western teams, ESPN will still have MWC inventory.
11-13-2017 04:28 PM
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Thats not how it happens. The leftovers sit in a position of strength and will poach whomever they want from the G5 ranks to form a new tweener conference. Just like how UConn, Cincy and USF didn't join CUSA, they invited who they wanted and left behind who they didn't.

Lets say for arguments sake it's Baylor, ISU and KSU left behind. This is what the Big 16 (They own the rights to that name) would look like.

East- UConn, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis, Cincy

West- Baylor, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force, ISU, KSU, CSU
11-13-2017 04:31 PM
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(11-13-2017 02:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  I think the odds will favor the Big 12 staying together pretty much as they are now configured.

Meh, the schools with real value will get offers from the SEC, B1G and Pac-12. I don't see the ACC inviting any of the Big XII besides WVU, the other schools are just too far away and the big dogs (UT/OU) aren't coming to the ACC.
11-13-2017 04:34 PM
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(11-13-2017 04:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Thats not how it happens. The leftovers sit in a position of strength and will poach whomever they want from the G5 ranks to form a new tweener conference. Just like how UConn, Cincy and USF didn't join CUSA, they invited who they wanted and left behind who they didn't.

Lets say for arguments sake it's Baylor, ISU and KSU left behind. This is what the Big 16 (They own the rights to that name) would look like.

East- UConn, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis, Cincy

West- Baylor, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force, ISU, KSU, CSU

Ditch Tulsa and give BYU a FB-only invite. If there is another vacancy through promotion, give Boise a FB-only invite too.

Realistically though, they'll probably max out at 12, especially if the new CFP contract pays per conference rather than per school.

In this scenario, Houston and Cincy are picked up by the Pac and ACC, respectively:

East: Memphis, Navy*, UCF, UConn, USF, Temple
West: Baylor, BYU*, CSU, ISU, KSU, SMU

Maybe swap Navy and ISU, since Navy wants to play in Texas more.
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11-13-2017 04:37 PM
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RE: Will the BIG12 eventually dissolve
(11-13-2017 04:31 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Thats not how it happens. The leftovers sit in a position of strength and will poach whomever they want from the G5 ranks to form a new tweener conference. Just like how UConn, Cincy and USF didn't join CUSA, they invited who they wanted and left behind who they didn't.

Lets say for arguments sake it's Baylor, ISU and KSU left behind. This is what the Big 16 (They own the rights to that name) would look like.

East- UConn, Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis, Cincy

West- Baylor, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force, ISU, KSU, CSU

Fact check:

The B12 *had* rights to the "Big 14" name, based on three intent-to-use applications filed with the US Patent & Trademark Office (USPTO). However, you can only file so many 6-months extensions if you haven't actually used the name after the application has been approved.

The first was filed in January 1997 and was abandoned in 1999. The second was filed in 2004 and abandoned in 2009. The third and most recent "Big 14" application was filed in 2009 and abandoned in September 2012.

There is not evidence that the Big 12 ever filed an application for the "Big 16" name.

This is all on public record at USPTO.gov.
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