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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 02:46 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 01:46 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 11:06 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 11:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  AAC collapse scenario...

1) PAC adds Texas/Texas Tech. B12 responds with BYU, Col St, Houston and Cincinnati. MWC adds Rice from CUSA. AAC does nothing and sits at 10.

A year later goes by....

2) SEC adds Florida St and Clemson to to to 16. ACC gets scared and decides to go to 16 with UCF, USF, UConn and Navy FB Only. AAC is now down to 6 programs and can't pull in any MWC or MAC schools.

3) B1G not to be outdone expands with Kansas and Oklahoma. B12 then takes Memphis and SMU from the AAC.

Temple, ECU, Tulane, Wichita St and Tulsa aren't enough to keep a conference going.

MAC (Temple, Army)-FB only
CUSA (Tulane, ECU)
MWC (Tulsa, UNT)
A10 (Wichita)

I am legitimately curious as to what would cause the ACC to "get scared"?

It'll never happen, but if FSU and Clemson did leave that would be cause for concern for sure.

No, it won't. Is this fantasy set in the post 2036 world or sooner?

Funny, the ACC has yet to miss the CFP and will likely have two of the top of four when the CCG is played. It is likely the B12 or P12 will miss the CFP for the 2nd time. Yup, the ACC is looking to close it's doors any day now. 03-lmfao
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 06:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

No, in fact I would argue that 80% or more of the current G5 schools need to move down and leave the top division at 6 leagues with 96 schools. When I turn on a Bowling Green game and there are less they 2,000 fans in the seats... FBS in name only comes to mind. That goes for almost the entire MAC, CUSA and SBC.

Create a 96 team top league (6 x 16). A 72 team 2nd tier league (6 x 12) and dump the rest into D2 and D3.

FBS is not just a fan thing.

It has to do with TV markets, recruiting and institutional profile.

Most FCS universities are not national Tier 1 public universities.

UMass is that is why they play at the top level while South Dakota St is in FCS.
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 06:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  No, in fact I would argue that 80% or more of the current G5 schools need to move down and leave the top division at 6 leagues with 96 schools. When I turn on a Bowling Green game and there are less they 2,000 fans in the seats... FBS in name only comes to mind. That goes for almost the entire MAC, CUSA and SBC.

Create a 96 team top league (6 x 16). A 72 team 2nd tier league (6 x 12) and dump the rest into D2 and D3.

I agree. P4 needs to solidify itself and finalize its membership so everyone else can get sorted out.
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 09:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 06:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

No, in fact I would argue that 80% or more of the current G5 schools need to move down and leave the top division at 6 leagues with 96 schools. When I turn on a Bowling Green game and there are less they 2,000 fans in the seats... FBS in name only comes to mind. That goes for almost the entire MAC, CUSA and SBC.

Create a 96 team top league (6 x 16). A 72 team 2nd tier league (6 x 12) and dump the rest into D2 and D3.

FBS is not just a fan thing.

It has to do with TV markets, recruiting and institutional profile.

Most FCS universities are not national Tier 1 public universities.

UMass is that is why they play at the top level while South Dakota St is in FCS.

...and why cal-davis is FCS and UCSD is D2...so yeah...
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 11:08 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 09:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 06:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

No, in fact I would argue that 80% or more of the current G5 schools need to move down and leave the top division at 6 leagues with 96 schools. When I turn on a Bowling Green game and there are less they 2,000 fans in the seats... FBS in name only comes to mind. That goes for almost the entire MAC, CUSA and SBC.

Create a 96 team top league (6 x 16). A 72 team 2nd tier league (6 x 12) and dump the rest into D2 and D3.

FBS is not just a fan thing.

It has to do with TV markets, recruiting and institutional profile.

Most FCS universities are not national Tier 1 public universities.

UMass is that is why they play at the top level while South Dakota St is in FCS.

...and why cal-davis is FCS and UCSD is D2...so yeah...

Those are exceptions to the rule.
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 11:08 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 09:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 06:36 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

No, in fact I would argue that 80% or more of the current G5 schools need to move down and leave the top division at 6 leagues with 96 schools. When I turn on a Bowling Green game and there are less they 2,000 fans in the seats... FBS in name only comes to mind. That goes for almost the entire MAC, CUSA and SBC.

Create a 96 team top league (6 x 16). A 72 team 2nd tier league (6 x 12) and dump the rest into D2 and D3.

FBS is not just a fan thing.

It has to do with TV markets, recruiting and institutional profile.

Most FCS universities are not national Tier 1 public universities.

UMass is that is why they play at the top level while South Dakota St is in FCS.

...and why cal-davis is FCS and UCSD is D2...so yeah...

That's good, because I can't find any MAC teams who actually have fans. As far as national universities and/or tier 1, most G5 schools are not national nor are they Tier 1 public so lets try again.

Oh, and the previous poster is correct. UC Davis is considered one of the top schools in the country. As is Cal Poly, both play in FCS Big Sky. Shall we compare their academic ranking to... Coastal Carolina, #52 in the, Regional University rankings? And since I mentioned Bowling Green. They are #202 in National, since you mentioned South Dakota State, they are ranked at #26 in National University.

Sorry, it may offend the few fans of the bottom 3 G5 leagues, but very few of the teams in the MAC, CUSA and Sun Belt belong in FBS. They have far more in common with the top FCS schools then they do with the top FBS schools. When the TV money goes away, expect a change.
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-12-2017 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 09:00 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

If its 18/20 teams by the time B12 is done picking 90-100 programs will be in a P5. That won't leave much of the MWC or AAC who could scoop up the remaining value from CUSA/MAC/SBC.

Someday NIU/Toledo/Ohio may be forced into the AAC whether they like it or not so the AAC has enough schools for a contract bowl.


What I meant was that Eastern Washington and North Dakota State fans do travel to the away games. They do show better support than some of the MAC and schools like San Jose State and New Mexico State. I do see those strong teams get pick first before some of the C-USA, MWC, MAC and SBC schools.

Eastern Washington averaged 8400 people in attendance last year. How exactly is that showing good support?
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(11-12-2017 08:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Hypothetical but if all FBS conferences moved to 16 through expansion where would everyone end up going and how would that affect the P5/G5 structure?

Px1 (B1G to 16)-16 teams
Px2 (SEC to 16)-32 teams
Px3 (PAC to 16)-48 teams
Px4 (ACC to 16)-64 teams
Px5 (B12 to 16)-80 teams
Px6 (MWC/CUSA to 16)-96 teams
Px7 (AAC/CUSA/MAC to 16)-112 teams
Px8 (MAC/CUSA/SBC to 16)-128 teams

Could there be a big inflation in the number of P5 programs that could lead the G5 Condensing down to 2 or 3 large conferences for CFP contract bowls?

The "P" could go to 18-20 teams to make the effect more dramatic.

My scenario:

ACC
Boston College
Duke
Louisville
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Cincinnati
Memphis
Notre Dame
Temple
UCONN

SEC
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech

Big Ten (16)
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
Wisconsin
Missouri
West Virginia

Pac-12 (16)
California
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington
Washington State
Boise State
Colorado State
Hawaii
Nevada
UNLV
Utah State

Big XII (16)
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas
Texas Tech
Air Force
Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Houston
New Mexico
Wyoming

Mountain West
Fresno State
Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
New Mexico State
North Texas
Rice
San Diego State
San Jose State
Southern Methodist
Texas State
Tulane
Tulsa
UTEP
UTSA

C-USA
Central Florida
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Costal Carolina
East Carolina
FIU
Florida Atlantic
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Liberty
Old Dominion
South Alabama
South Florida
Southern Mississippi
Troy
UAB

MAC
Akron
Ball State
Bowling Green
Buffalo
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Kent State
Miami (OH)
Middle Tennessee
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Western Michigan
Marshall
Western Kentucky
UMASS

Independents
Army
Navy
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