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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-12-2017 11:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  AAC collapse scenario...

1) PAC adds Texas/Texas Tech. B12 responds with BYU, Col St, Houston and Cincinnati. MWC adds Rice from CUSA. AAC does nothing and sits at 10.

A year later goes by....

2) SEC adds Florida St and Clemson to to to 16. ACC gets scared and decides to go to 16 with UCF, USF, UConn and Navy FB Only. AAC is now down to 6 programs and can't pull in any MWC or MAC schools.

3) B1G not to be outdone expands with Kansas and Oklahoma. B12 then takes Memphis and SMU from the AAC.

Temple, ECU, Tulane, Wichita St and Tulsa aren't enough to keep a conference going.

MAC (Temple, Army)-FB only
CUSA (Tulane, ECU)
MWC (Tulsa, UNT)
A10 (Wichita)

I am legitimately curious as to what would cause the ACC to "get scared"?
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(11-12-2017 10:32 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  8 FBS conferences. How many then are contract conferences?

Do you give contracts to all 8 conferences but far less money to the AAC, MAC, MWC, SBC as part of the deal? That is one way to handle it.

I'd say the B12 would likely stay in business because they can pull programs in from both the MWC/AAC to be part of an Iowa St, K-State core.

PAC/SEC/B1G/ACC to 16 for the most massive TV contracts possible.

B12 to 12 to conserve value and a contract with the Cotton Bowl.

What is left of the AAC at that point? Tulsa, Tulane, Navy, Temple? There would be no TV deal for the AAC.

The CFP contract would probably distribute revenue as you describe, which is basically how it's currently done, right?

The "American" in my 8x16 setup could be called the "Big 12" instead. The 3 remaining Big 12 schools merged with the AAC and added Rice to make 16. In your scenario, the rebuilding Big 12 couldn't stop at 12 because all FBS conferences must go to 16.

I suppose the Big 12 could have taken in only part of the AAC and substituted some MWC schools instead. That would make it harder to also get the MWC up to 16 though.

Here's a go at the G4 with a (barely) surviving Big 12:

Big 12/16
East: Central Florida, Connecticut, South Florida, Temple
North: Air Force, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas State
South: Baylor, Memphis, Navy*, SMU
West: Boise State*, BYU*, San Diego State*, UNLV*
Non-FB: Wichita State

C-USA
East: FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern, Georgia State
North: Appalachian State, Charlotte, East Carolina, Old Dominion
South: South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB
West: Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Tulane

MAC
East: Akron, Army*, Buffalo, Kent State
North: Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan
South: Ball State, Marshall, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky
West: Bowling Green, Miami-OH, Ohio, Toledo

MWC
East: North Texas, Rice, Texas State, UTSA
North: Eastern Washington, Idaho, Utah State, Wyoming
South: New Mexico, New Mexico State, Tulsa, UTEP
West: Fresno State, Hawaii*, Nevada, San Jose State

Again, not very realistic at all.
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 11:06 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 11:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  AAC collapse scenario...

1) PAC adds Texas/Texas Tech. B12 responds with BYU, Col St, Houston and Cincinnati. MWC adds Rice from CUSA. AAC does nothing and sits at 10.

A year later goes by....

2) SEC adds Florida St and Clemson to to to 16. ACC gets scared and decides to go to 16 with UCF, USF, UConn and Navy FB Only. AAC is now down to 6 programs and can't pull in any MWC or MAC schools.

3) B1G not to be outdone expands with Kansas and Oklahoma. B12 then takes Memphis and SMU from the AAC.

Temple, ECU, Tulane, Wichita St and Tulsa aren't enough to keep a conference going.

MAC (Temple, Army)-FB only
CUSA (Tulane, ECU)
MWC (Tulsa, UNT)
A10 (Wichita)

I am legitimately curious as to what would cause the ACC to "get scared"?

It'll never happen, but if FSU and Clemson did leave that would be cause for concern for sure.
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
(11-13-2017 01:46 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 11:06 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 11:23 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  AAC collapse scenario...

1) PAC adds Texas/Texas Tech. B12 responds with BYU, Col St, Houston and Cincinnati. MWC adds Rice from CUSA. AAC does nothing and sits at 10.

A year later goes by....

2) SEC adds Florida St and Clemson to to to 16. ACC gets scared and decides to go to 16 with UCF, USF, UConn and Navy FB Only. AAC is now down to 6 programs and can't pull in any MWC or MAC schools.

3) B1G not to be outdone expands with Kansas and Oklahoma. B12 then takes Memphis and SMU from the AAC.

Temple, ECU, Tulane, Wichita St and Tulsa aren't enough to keep a conference going.

MAC (Temple, Army)-FB only
CUSA (Tulane, ECU)
MWC (Tulsa, UNT)
A10 (Wichita)

I am legitimately curious as to what would cause the ACC to "get scared"?

It'll never happen, but if FSU and Clemson did leave that would be cause for concern for sure.

No, it won't. Is this fantasy set in the post 2036 world or sooner?
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(11-13-2017 09:56 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:55 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:48 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Don’t think they will go beyond 14, it is too cumbersome and too many mouths to feed. Back in the day the WAC went to 16 and it was a disaster.


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I think it was only a disaster in that they couldn't get to 2 nice divisions. In addition to a TV contract,

Maybe in this era, it will work. But somebody will need to make the first move.

Yup...gotta allow pods to go 15+ teams IMHO. 14 teams is really pushing it.

Don't, like the pods concept. Just make 2 divisions that fit well.
Having 2 mini conferences will would be the best way forward for cost savings and bigger bowl opportunities in addition to TV contracts.
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They would be the WAC 16 of 1996-1998.
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RE: If the FBS Conferences moved to 16
I love the multiple division concept - not pods. Three regional divisions that fit well and then 3 division winners plus an at large wild card in the conference championship tournament. Conference champ gets a ticket to the Rose Bowl or Sugar or Orange Bowl to play another big-time conference champion.

For instance:

SEC SOUTH
#1 Alabama (7-0)
#6 Auburn (6-1)
#17 Mississippi St. (3-3)
Ole Miss (2-4)
Vanderbilt (0-6)

SEC EAST
#7 Georgia (6-1)
South Carolina (5-3)
Kentucky (4-30
Florida (3-5)
Tennessee (0-6)

SEC WEST
#3 Oklahoma (6-1)
#21 LSU (4-2)
Texas A&M (3-3)
Missouri (2-4)
Arkansas (1-5)

ACC NORTH
#2 Miami (6-0)
#9 Notre Dame (6-1)
Boston College (3-4)
Pitt (2-4)
Syracuse (2-4)

ACC ATLANTIC
#4 Clemson (7-1)
#25 NC State (5-1)
Wake Forest (3-3)
Louisville (3-4)
Florida St. (3-5)

ACC COASTAL
Georgia Tech (4-3)
Virginia Tech (3-3)
Virginia (3-3)
Duke (1-5)
North Carolina (1-6)

So, the SEC and ACC championships would be shaping up for the following:

December 2, 2017
SEC Semi-finals
(4)Georgia v. (1)Alabama, at Tuscaloosa, AL
(3)Auburn v. (2)Oklahoma, at Norman, OK

ACC Semi-Finals
(4)Georgia Tech v. (1)Miami, at Miami, FL
(3)Notre Dame v. (2)Clemson, at Clemson, SC

December 16, 2017
Atlanta, Georgia
SEC Championship Game

Charlotte, North Carolina
ACC Championship Game

Winners play in the Sugar or Orange Bowl on New Year's Day. Winner of that game plays Rose Bowl winner for the national championship!
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PAC and B1G structure:

B1G EAST
#8 Ohio St. (6-1)
#13 Penn St. (5-2)
Rutgers (3-4)
Maryland (2-5)
UConn (2-5)

B1G CENTRAL
#22 Michigan St. (5-2)
#19 Michigan (5-2)
Northwestern (5-2)
Purdue (2-5)
Indiana (1-6)

B1G WEST
#5 Wisconsin (7-0)
Nebraska (3-4)
Iowa (3-4)
Minnesota (2-5)
Illinois (0-7)

PAC NORTH
#15 Washington St. (6-2)
#20 Stanford (6-2)
#16 Washington (5-2)
Oregon (2-5)
Cal (2-5)
Oregon St. (0-7)

PAC SOUTH
#12 USC (7-1)
Arizona (5-2)
Arizona St. (4-3)
UCLA (3-4)
Utah (2-5)
Colorado (2-6)

PAC EAST
#11 TCU (5-2)
#10 Oklahoma St. (5-2)
Houston (4-2)
Texas (4-3)
Texas Tech (2-5)
Kansas (0-7)

So, the B1G and PAC championships would be shaping up for the following:

December 2, 2017
B1G Semi-finals
(3)Michigan St. v. (2)Ohio St., at Columbus, OH
(4)Penn St. v. (1)Wisconsin, at Madison, WI

PAC Semi-Finals
(4)Washington St. v. (1)TCU, at Ft. Worth, TX
(3)Oklahoma St. v. (2)USC, at Los Angeles, CA

December 16, 2017
Indianapolis, Indiana
B1G Championship Game

Las Vegas, Nevada
PAC Championship Game

Winners play in the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day. Winner of that game plays SEC/ACC Bowl winner for the national championship!
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Going to 24 teams would work better with pods than just 16. At 16, it would not work out too well in pods. If they do this? 24 teams when the ACc would be picked apart. We already have 3 P5 conferences east of the Mississippi. Big 10 wants several ACC schools to join them. SEC is eyeing NC State and Virginia Tech. Big 12 could take the best ACC, AAC and MWC schools and maybe a Northern Illinois and BYU.
PAC 12 could eye schools from the AAC, MWC, C-USA, Big Sky and MVFC west like NDSU. But, I could start a new thread on how we could form a P4 conference by eliminating the ACC.
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(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

No, in fact I would argue that 80% or more of the current G5 schools need to move down and leave the top division at 6 leagues with 96 schools. When I turn on a Bowling Green game and there are less they 2,000 fans in the seats... FBS in name only comes to mind. That goes for almost the entire MAC, CUSA and SBC.

Create a 96 team top league (6 x 16). A 72 team 2nd tier league (6 x 12) and dump the rest into D2 and D3.
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