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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
(11-12-2017 08:01 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 03:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  All fine and dandy - but there's practically zero lacrosse out west save for Denver and Air Force. Down the line that will have to be addressed.

I don't agree with "practically zero" but there is absolutely a TON of potential growth opportunities. Here's a gif that shows growth from 2005-2015.

[Image: lacrosse-gif3.gif]

The women's side has been growing much more. Utah starting men's lax is a PAC12 start. Suspect USC and Stanford will step up soon for men's lax. USC has stated they are monitoring the situation.
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
(11-12-2017 06:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 05:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 03:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  All fine and dandy - but there's practically zero lacrosse out west save for Denver and Air Force. Down the line that will have to be addressed.

Maybe petition to bring RMAC up for one sport with both men and women's LAX? It could help. You have teams in Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, and Missouri. I think they did have a team from one of the Dakota schools at one time.

Man's:
Colorado Mesa
Rockhurst (kansas City Missouri)
Westminster Utah (Salt Lake City)
Adams State
CSU-Pueblo
Maryville

Women's:
Lindenwood
Regis
Colorado Mesa
Fort Lewis
Westminster
Rockhurst
CSU-Pueblo
Oklahoma Baptist]
Adams State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

It might give air force and Denver some close by competition until some more schools out on the west coast starts it.

Stop the D2 hijacking. This is a copy of your post from another thread. The NCAA is not going to bend its rules to add 4 small D2 schools to D1 (Maryville has already left the RMAC, Rockhurst men leaves after the 2018 season; both to the new GLVC lacrosse).

D1 do allow D2 conferences up at D1 for a sport. Conference Carolinas is a D2 conference with 1 sport as a D1. As it is, they do make exceptions to the rules.
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
(11-12-2017 08:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 06:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 05:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 03:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  All fine and dandy - but there's practically zero lacrosse out west save for Denver and Air Force. Down the line that will have to be addressed.

Maybe petition to bring RMAC up for one sport with both men and women's LAX? It could help. You have teams in Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, and Missouri. I think they did have a team from one of the Dakota schools at one time.

Man's:
Colorado Mesa
Rockhurst (kansas City Missouri)
Westminster Utah (Salt Lake City)
Adams State
CSU-Pueblo
Maryville

Women's:
Lindenwood
Regis
Colorado Mesa
Fort Lewis
Westminster
Rockhurst
CSU-Pueblo
Oklahoma Baptist]
Adams State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

It might give air force and Denver some close by competition until some more schools out on the west coast starts it.

Stop the D2 hijacking. This is a copy of your post from another thread. The NCAA is not going to bend its rules to add 4 small D2 schools to D1 (Maryville has already left the RMAC, Rockhurst men leaves after the 2018 season; both to the new GLVC lacrosse).

D1 do allow D2 conferences up at D1 for a sport. Conference Carolinas is a D2 conference with 1 sport as a D1. As it is, they do make exceptions to the rules.

That has been eliminated. Sports that aren't offered championshipss at DII level, like ice hockey and men's volleyball, are exempt. Some sports like skiing have an NCAA championship without a specific level. Teams that moved up to DI for a specific sport like Dallas Baptist are allowed to continue.
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
(11-12-2017 08:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:01 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 03:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  All fine and dandy - but there's practically zero lacrosse out west save for Denver and Air Force. Down the line that will have to be addressed.

I don't agree with "practically zero" but there is absolutely a TON of potential growth opportunities. Here's a gif that shows growth from 2005-2015.

[Image: lacrosse-gif3.gif]

The women's side has been growing much more. Utah starting men's lax is a PAC12 start. Suspect USC and Stanford will step up soon for men's lax. USC has stated they are monitoring the situation.

Agreed that western lacrosse growth will likely have to start with the PAC, given that the earliest couple of schools will need the kind of AD budget that can support nationwide travel as a lacrosse indy. I also wouldn't be surprised to see an agreement between the Mountain West and one of the other western conferences to host teams under a single banner further out.
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
(11-12-2017 09:02 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 08:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 06:18 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 05:38 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 03:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  All fine and dandy - but there's practically zero lacrosse out west save for Denver and Air Force. Down the line that will have to be addressed.

Maybe petition to bring RMAC up for one sport with both men and women's LAX? It could help. You have teams in Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, and Missouri. I think they did have a team from one of the Dakota schools at one time.

Man's:
Colorado Mesa
Rockhurst (kansas City Missouri)
Westminster Utah (Salt Lake City)
Adams State
CSU-Pueblo
Maryville

Women's:
Lindenwood
Regis
Colorado Mesa
Fort Lewis
Westminster
Rockhurst
CSU-Pueblo
Oklahoma Baptist]
Adams State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

It might give air force and Denver some close by competition until some more schools out on the west coast starts it.

Stop the D2 hijacking. This is a copy of your post from another thread. The NCAA is not going to bend its rules to add 4 small D2 schools to D1 (Maryville has already left the RMAC, Rockhurst men leaves after the 2018 season; both to the new GLVC lacrosse).

D1 do allow D2 conferences up at D1 for a sport. Conference Carolinas is a D2 conference with 1 sport as a D1. As it is, they do make exceptions to the rules.

That has been eliminated. Sports that aren't offered championshipss at DII level, like ice hockey and men's volleyball, are exempt. Some sports like skiing have an NCAA championship without a specific level. Teams that moved up to DI for a specific sport like Dallas Baptist are allowed to continue.

Conference Carolinas has men's volleyball and three D2 conferences have bowling. Both sports are classified as National Collegiate Division not D1, meaning there is one championship with no divisional designation. D3 does have its own men's volleyball championship. No D2 or D3 conference or school can sponsor a sport in D1 unless that sport does not have a D2 or D3 championship like bowling or it was grandfathered in like Dallas Baptist baseball.
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
In California High Schools the sport is growing steadily. Yes, it's predominantly the white & Asian suburbs, but the participation and quality are steadily rising unlike football.

Men's Lacrosse (number of High Schools) from http://www.laxpower.com/common/hs_boys.php

2010 / 2017 by region 2010:

46 / 56 North Coast CIF
29 / 37 Central Coast CIF (corresponds to San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, and Monterey counties)
67 / 98 Southern CIF
42 / 55 San Diego CIF
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184 / 246 CIF Totals

That is a 1/3rd expansion in the number of teams fielded in just 7 years. Probably closer to a 40% increase in the number of participants.

High schools sponsoring lag the growth in club, and colleges lag the growth in high schools. It's just a matter of time before some colleges sponsor out here. I honestly expect the WCC to be first, given so many of the high schools with the sport are in the various Catholic leagues.
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
Lacrosse will be a National sport. It will probably pass hockey as a college sport. It's killing baseball as a Spring sport in New England.

And its not its reputation as a rich kid sport, most schools in populated areas of New England have Lacrosse
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
(11-12-2017 05:00 PM)Bogg Wrote:  To be fair, and I'm about the furthest one can get from an expert on the topic, but it seems like there are hurdles to overcome in starting up football that just aren't there in lacrosse. Football at that level is a significant expense, while it sounds like lacrosse is a pretty minor expense/can generate a small profit in terms of enrollment numbers without having to be at the very top level of the sport.

I don't disagree with that. It costs much less to run a lacrosse program than football, and lacrosse has the potential to be more profitable even with limited funding. Football is a wash if you aren't getting major network subsidies, alumni donations, and selling out your venue seven or eight times a year. Lacrosse offers smaller rosters, lower staffing, and there's partials if you're not going to pay for every kid to be there.

As another said, this is a good problem to have for lacrosse. I just can't look past it being these guys doing it when it's been known they're becoming more invisible. If the subject is A-10 lacrosse, I wouldn't bet on La Salle as a long-term solution.

There's no reason St. Joe's has to want them wherever they are, either. What does it do for them, you know, other than saving some money on travel?
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
Growth in lacrosse has skyrocketed since 1990. That is undeniable. Lax Power : Lacrosse growth has some very interesting graphs. As was said before, women's is outpacing mens growth. What I didn't expect but perhaps should have was where the growth was.

[Image: sponsorship15m.gif]

[Image: sponsorship15w.gif]

Last thing, (I'm not linking to the graph) but the prelude to a graph says this : "The graph that follows is quite similar to the first one above, but it shows the percentage of NCAA member institutions that have varsity lacrosse teams. The figures are substantially higher in Division III, where 49.4% of member institutions have men's lacrosse teams and 59.9% have women's teams. Keep in mind that the NCAA's figures do not include the hundreds of MCLA and NCLL (men's), WCLA (women's), or NAIA or NJCAA (men's and women's) collegiate teams around the country.

It's amazing the percentage of D3 schools with lacrosse but also the fact that this leaves out "hundreds" of teams. Ok, I'll try and stop posting graphs and charts to take up so much space.
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RE: Lacrosse : realignment, rivalries (postponed) and re-evaluation (costs)
It's growing like crazy at the high school level here in Texas but unfortunately growth is nonexistent at the college level for several reasons
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