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RE: Oklahoma and Miami are the best teams
(11-15-2017 05:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 05:29 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 04:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 03:07 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 02:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Yes.

The first time we curb-stomped OU we did it with a one armed backup QB and an All-American LB sitting out the first half.

The second time we did it we did it with a future 1st round draft pick at WR who was out with an injury and after sending our 3rd best WR home for violating rules. Then we lost consensus All-American DE Shaw Lawson on the very first drive and still dominated the Sooners.

Their offense is finesse and can't handle physical pressure. Get pressure on Mayfield and he makes stupid mistakes. We are tops in the nation in sacks and 6th in tackles for loss. We would be in his face all game long.

Their non-existent defense folds when you continue to play physical against them. They are built to beat the finesse teams in the Big XII, not the teams that will get physical with you, and they aren't particularly good at stopping either the pass or the run. Not good when you face a team as balanced as we are.

Thats great but why should Clemson get in ahead of them when Clemson lost to Syracuse?

Because by any metric you want to measure by Clemson has played a far tougher schedule and has more quality wins.

And worse losses. You keep forgetting about that bad loss.

And the committee sees:

A. It was on the road
B. On a short week
C. Our starting QB went down in the first half.
and
D. Our backup kicker missed two FGs in a game we lost by 3.

Like I said, I hope we draw OU in the first round of the playoffs. It'll look a whole lot more like the last two times we played OU than the Syracuse game.

Oh so it was on a road to a bad team well then...07-coffee3

Syracuse who sits at 4-6. If Ohio State had only one loss and it was to Rutgers you'd be singing a different tune for sure.
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RE: Oklahoma and Miami are the best teams
(11-15-2017 03:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 10:37 AM)panite Wrote:  Here's one:

Auburn beats Alabama and goes to the SEC Championship Game and beats Georgia again.

Miami loses to Clemson by one point in the ACC Championship Game after finishing undefeated in regular season play.

Oklahoma and Wisconsin win out.

Play off teams:
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Clemson
Miami

Georgia and Auburn stay home with 2 loses and 1 loss Alabama is left out for not winning their division or their championship game. Think that will light a fire in the play off system next time around. Just leave the SEC out once and you would think a bomb has been dropped on the whole play off system.

That would be a tough call!

- Clemson gets a bid because they have the ACC championship over Miami and the OOC win over SEC champ Auburn.

-Oklahoma gets in with the B12 championship, wins over TCU (twice) and Oklahoma St.) and OOC Ohio St.

- Wisconsin gets in as the only undefeated P5 champion. However, the only high marks are ranked wins are over Ohio St. and Northwestern. But, they took care of the business on their schedule.

- That 4th spot would be a dogfight between Miami and Auburn. I think Alabama would be out, with Auburn holding the head-to-head win and SEC championship over them. And, Alabama's best wins would be Mississippi St. and LSU. This year, those wins don't outshine wins over Notre Dame or Georgia (or Alabama!).

So, does the committee snub the SEC champ because of 2 losses? I don't think so. Miami and Auburn would share the close loss to Clemson on their resumes. Auburn's loss to LSU is overcome by the THREE quality wins (Alabama and Georgia x2), all within the final month. With Virginia Tech's recent loss, Miami's only quality win on the season would be over Notre Dame. The SEC championship tips it to Auburn if it's too close to call.

Clemson
W-L Record: 12-1
Record v. Ranked: 4-0
Record v. Bowl Teams: 9-0
Big Wins: Miami, Auburn
Quality Losses: N/A
Bad losses: Syracuse
Champ: ACC

Oklahoma
W-L Record: 12-1
Record v. Ranked: 4-0
Record v. Bowl Teams: 7-1
Big Wins: Ohio St., TCU(x2), Oklahoma St.
Quality Losses: N/A
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: B12

Wisconsin
W-L Record: 13-0
Record v. Ranked: 2-0
Record v. Bowl Teams: 5-0
Big Wins: Ohio St.
Quality Losses: N/A
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: B1G

Auburn
W-L Record: 11-2
Record v. Ranked: 4-1
Record v. Bowl Teams: 8-2
Big Wins: Alabama, Georgia (x2)
Quality Losses: Clemson, LSU?
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: SEC

Alabama
W-L Record: 11-1
Record v. Ranked: 2-1
Record v. Bowl Teams: 7-1
Big Wins: Mississippi St.? LSU?
Quality Losses: Auburn
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: N/A

Miami
W-L Record: 12-1
Record v. Ranked: 1-1
Record v. Bowl Teams: 5-1
Big Wins: Notre Dame, Virginia Tech?
Quality Losses: Clemson
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: N/A

Great info - Miami wins out or their done just like the TV sports people say. I think its the same for Wisconsin too. That's why they kept both schools so low in the rankings until this week. 04-cheers
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RE: Oklahoma and Miami are the best teams
(11-15-2017 08:32 PM)panite Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 03:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 10:37 AM)panite Wrote:  Here's one:

Auburn beats Alabama and goes to the SEC Championship Game and beats Georgia again.

Miami loses to Clemson by one point in the ACC Championship Game after finishing undefeated in regular season play.

Oklahoma and Wisconsin win out.

Play off teams:
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Clemson
Miami

Georgia and Auburn stay home with 2 loses and 1 loss Alabama is left out for not winning their division or their championship game. Think that will light a fire in the play off system next time around. Just leave the SEC out once and you would think a bomb has been dropped on the whole play off system.

That would be a tough call!

- Clemson gets a bid because they have the ACC championship over Miami and the OOC win over SEC champ Auburn.

-Oklahoma gets in with the B12 championship, wins over TCU (twice) and Oklahoma St.) and OOC Ohio St.

- Wisconsin gets in as the only undefeated P5 champion. However, the only high marks are ranked wins are over Ohio St. and Northwestern. But, they took care of the business on their schedule.

- That 4th spot would be a dogfight between Miami and Auburn. I think Alabama would be out, with Auburn holding the head-to-head win and SEC championship over them. And, Alabama's best wins would be Mississippi St. and LSU. This year, those wins don't outshine wins over Notre Dame or Georgia (or Alabama!).

So, does the committee snub the SEC champ because of 2 losses? I don't think so. Miami and Auburn would share the close loss to Clemson on their resumes. Auburn's loss to LSU is overcome by the THREE quality wins (Alabama and Georgia x2), all within the final month. With Virginia Tech's recent loss, Miami's only quality win on the season would be over Notre Dame. The SEC championship tips it to Auburn if it's too close to call.

Clemson
W-L Record: 12-1
Record v. Ranked: 4-0
Record v. Bowl Teams: 9-0
Big Wins: Miami, Auburn
Quality Losses: N/A
Bad losses: Syracuse
Champ: ACC

Oklahoma
W-L Record: 12-1
Record v. Ranked: 4-0
Record v. Bowl Teams: 7-1
Big Wins: Ohio St., TCU(x2), Oklahoma St.
Quality Losses: N/A
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: B12

Wisconsin
W-L Record: 13-0
Record v. Ranked: 2-0
Record v. Bowl Teams: 5-0
Big Wins: Ohio St.
Quality Losses: N/A
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: B1G

Auburn
W-L Record: 11-2
Record v. Ranked: 4-1
Record v. Bowl Teams: 8-2
Big Wins: Alabama, Georgia (x2)
Quality Losses: Clemson, LSU?
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: SEC

Alabama
W-L Record: 11-1
Record v. Ranked: 2-1
Record v. Bowl Teams: 7-1
Big Wins: Mississippi St.? LSU?
Quality Losses: Auburn
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: N/A

Miami
W-L Record: 12-1
Record v. Ranked: 1-1
Record v. Bowl Teams: 5-1
Big Wins: Notre Dame, Virginia Tech?
Quality Losses: Clemson
Bad losses: N/A
Champ: N/A

Great info - Miami wins out or their done just like the TV sports people say. I think its the same for Wisconsin too. That's why they kept both schools so low in the rankings until this week. 04-cheers

If you look at Mississippi States' remaining schedule they should finish as a top 12-15 team easily by winning out at 9-3 with their only losses to Georgia, Auburn and Alabama. There is also a good chance LSU finishes at 9-3 somewhere in the #15-#17 range.

Those wins will be extremely solid for Alabama at the end of the season.

The thing you're statistics here don't show is the quality of those ranked wins. The committee will consider them.

So Auburn would have wins over 3 top 5 teams, and a top 15 team. Losses @ a top 17-top 15 team and @ #2. By a combined 12 points.

Playing 6 ranked teams, and what will probably be 10 bowl teams is a hell of a schedule and resume'.

Miami with 1 ranked win and 7 games against teams under .500 would definitely give Alabama or Auburn the nod against them IF they are rewarding teams for what the actually did during the season.

Wisconsin has a chance but if that holds up and they end up having a schedule with 8 teams on it under .500 with only 2 ranked wins with those wins also both having 3 losses at that point what are we telling the rest of college football?

Also, moving forward how could you look a G5 team in the face like UCF for example and tell them sorry I know you're undefeated but you're not good enough? If they win out they will have 2 ranked wins as well AND 6 wins over bowl teams.

By all accounts they would have a better resume' than Wisconsin other than the prestige of the B1G Championship.

We keep going over all of the scenarios but it's done by fans of schools in conferences, they have way too much bias for. Break down the actual resumes' of the teams and you will see that A single Miami loss or a Single Wisconsin loss takes them out completely if the committee is being real.

A 1 loss Miami team based off of their resume' would not be more deserving of a 2 loss Auburn with 3 top 5 wins in a 4 week stretch a 1 loss Georgia or a 1 loss Bama in any scenario. A 1 loss Wisconsin wouldn't either. They simply DO NOT have the wins or schedule for it. Claim I'm biased all you want but the facts are there if you care to look at them.

There was zero reason for Wisconsin to schedule the way they did. Everyone knew BYU was going to be bad, maybe not 2-3 wins bad but they were not expected to be in a bowl. FAU had been a 3 win team 3 seasons in a row before Kiffin, and Utah State was expected at best to be a middle of the pack MWC team. Wisconsin KNEW exactly what they were doing. They also had the luxury of playing every single bad team the B1G had to offer. Illinois, Maryland, Purdue, Indiana, Nebraska, an Iowa team that even with the win over Ohio State is still 6-4. Then Minnesota who will finish probably best case .500. Michigan was supposed to be stronger but at 8-2 they don't even have a win over a team with a winning record right now. They basically threw there hands up and said "we're going to try to sneak our way in". The problem with scheduling like that OOC is that you rely 100% on your conference. If your conference is down like the B1G is this season that's the situation you find yourself in.

To end all this crap they just need to go to 8 or have a system where their is a playoff game between the 2 lowest ranked P5 champs for a chance at the 4 seed and just put ONLY champs in. No one could argue who deserves what and there could be no bias from a poll, committee or a computer.
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