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ESPN Power Rankings are really just a moment in time hype meter.
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(11-12-2017 01:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:24 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  No

I agree, they won't sneak in. Heck, in the ESPN Power Rankings just out, for example, FAU, with 3 losses, is ahead of USF. 01-wingedeagle

These rankings mean nothing.
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(11-12-2017 01:18 PM)otown Wrote:  ESPN Power Rankings are really just a moment in time hype meter.

So is every other poll except the CFP. And maybe it, as well.
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RE: Will USF sneak into the CFP Rankings?
(11-12-2017 01:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:23 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 02:48 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 01:12 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Agree. We’re alread around 21 in the AP and coaches but still not expecting to get in CFP rankings. Possibly next week though. If we do get in it will be around 24-25.

They should get into the top 25 but probably won't because they know that the more teams that the AAC gets into the cfp poll the more pressure it'll put on the committee to move UCF up into at least the top 12 with Memphis not being far behind which could set up the nightmare scenario of the conference getting a legit chance to win it's way into 2 NY6 bowl slots. In the unlikely event that they do allow USF into the top 25 the AAC could literally have 4 teams in the top 25 if Navy beats ND which would surely add public pressure to awarding UCF a top12 finish (garuanting them a NY6 bowl) if a 1 lose Memphis beats them in a close game in the CCG. This should be all of our best case realistic hopes for this season. There will be no chance of a playoff spot this season but 2 NY6 bowl spots would be a step towards that eventually goal and a much better future contract.04-cheers

I'm 100% positive I read an article saying if a non-Power team made the playoffs, then the auto G5 slot goes away.

Whether that also applies if 2 non-Power teams make the Top 12 outside the playoffs, and both get a spot in the NY6, I'm not sure. Didn't see a definitive answer on that one.

But I bet it's likely we wouldn't get 2 slots then, either. If they won't let 2 in when one makes the CFP, I bet they won't let 2 in to at large spots, either, if they have a choice.

Poorly phrased: the highest ranked champion from the five non-contract-bowl conferences gets a spot in an NY6 bowl; the CFP semifinals are NY6 bowls.
If the highest ranked non-contract-bowl champ is in the top four it's not that something goes away, it is satisfied differently from previous at-large spots.

Totally unrelated from highest ranked champ getting one spot and then a second non-contract-bowl conference team being ranked high enough to get an at large.

True. Better phrasing. But it doesn't change the point. If a G makes the playoff, there is no auto spot assigned to the second best G, as many fans assume. That is actually written into the rules.

Due to that, I'm willing to bet that it is equally unlikely 2 Gs (or one in the CFP and one at large) would ever make the NY6 in the same year, even if they are Top 12. Or, perhaps they conveniently get dropped just below Top 12 in the final ranking.

A top12 ranking guarantees a team a NY6 bowl I believe. At that point it's just a matter of geography and matcbups. The only non 12th ranked team allowed into a NY6 slot is the g5 "highest ranked champ". Note "highest ranked " , because there's no way to know what team that will be until the season CCG 's are over07-coffee3
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RE: Will USF sneak into the CFP Rankings?
(11-12-2017 03:36 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 01:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:23 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 02:48 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  They should get into the top 25 but probably won't because they know that the more teams that the AAC gets into the cfp poll the more pressure it'll put on the committee to move UCF up into at least the top 12 with Memphis not being far behind which could set up the nightmare scenario of the conference getting a legit chance to win it's way into 2 NY6 bowl slots. In the unlikely event that they do allow USF into the top 25 the AAC could literally have 4 teams in the top 25 if Navy beats ND which would surely add public pressure to awarding UCF a top12 finish (garuanting them a NY6 bowl) if a 1 lose Memphis beats them in a close game in the CCG. This should be all of our best case realistic hopes for this season. There will be no chance of a playoff spot this season but 2 NY6 bowl spots would be a step towards that eventually goal and a much better future contract.04-cheers

I'm 100% positive I read an article saying if a non-Power team made the playoffs, then the auto G5 slot goes away.

Whether that also applies if 2 non-Power teams make the Top 12 outside the playoffs, and both get a spot in the NY6, I'm not sure. Didn't see a definitive answer on that one.

But I bet it's likely we wouldn't get 2 slots then, either. If they won't let 2 in when one makes the CFP, I bet they won't let 2 in to at large spots, either, if they have a choice.

Poorly phrased: the highest ranked champion from the five non-contract-bowl conferences gets a spot in an NY6 bowl; the CFP semifinals are NY6 bowls.
If the highest ranked non-contract-bowl champ is in the top four it's not that something goes away, it is satisfied differently from previous at-large spots.

Totally unrelated from highest ranked champ getting one spot and then a second non-contract-bowl conference team being ranked high enough to get an at large.

True. Better phrasing. But it doesn't change the point. If a G makes the playoff, there is no auto spot assigned to the second best G, as many fans assume. That is actually written into the rules.

Due to that, I'm willing to bet that it is equally unlikely 2 Gs (or one in the CFP and one at large) would ever make the NY6 in the same year, even if they are Top 12. Or, perhaps they conveniently get dropped just below Top 12 in the final ranking.

A top12 ranking guarantees a team a NY6 bowl I believe. At that point it's just a matter of geography and matcbups. The only non 12th ranked team allowed into a NY6 slot is the g5 "highest ranked champ". Note "highest ranked " , because there's no way to know what team that will be until the season CCG 's are over07-coffee3
No. Don't say "guarantees."
Not only can the highest ranked AAC/G4 champ fill one of twelve spots from outside the top twelve, if the contracted bowls replace semifinalists with the next highest ranked team from contracted conference, that next team could be outside the top twelve, too.
Look at last year #10 and #12 did not get NY6. WMU was #15, and the Sugar replaced Bama with #14 Auburn. #11 FSU got to go whup Michigan in the Orange as a replacement for Clemson.
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RE: Will USF sneak into the CFP Rankings?
(11-12-2017 03:36 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 01:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:23 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 02:48 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  They should get into the top 25 but probably won't because they know that the more teams that the AAC gets into the cfp poll the more pressure it'll put on the committee to move UCF up into at least the top 12 with Memphis not being far behind which could set up the nightmare scenario of the conference getting a legit chance to win it's way into 2 NY6 bowl slots. In the unlikely event that they do allow USF into the top 25 the AAC could literally have 4 teams in the top 25 if Navy beats ND which would surely add public pressure to awarding UCF a top12 finish (garuanting them a NY6 bowl) if a 1 lose Memphis beats them in a close game in the CCG. This should be all of our best case realistic hopes for this season. There will be no chance of a playoff spot this season but 2 NY6 bowl spots would be a step towards that eventually goal and a much better future contract.04-cheers

I'm 100% positive I read an article saying if a non-Power team made the playoffs, then the auto G5 slot goes away.

Whether that also applies if 2 non-Power teams make the Top 12 outside the playoffs, and both get a spot in the NY6, I'm not sure. Didn't see a definitive answer on that one.

But I bet it's likely we wouldn't get 2 slots then, either. If they won't let 2 in when one makes the CFP, I bet they won't let 2 in to at large spots, either, if they have a choice.

Poorly phrased: the highest ranked champion from the five non-contract-bowl conferences gets a spot in an NY6 bowl; the CFP semifinals are NY6 bowls.
If the highest ranked non-contract-bowl champ is in the top four it's not that something goes away, it is satisfied differently from previous at-large spots.

Totally unrelated from highest ranked champ getting one spot and then a second non-contract-bowl conference team being ranked high enough to get an at large.

True. Better phrasing. But it doesn't change the point. If a G makes the playoff, there is no auto spot assigned to the second best G, as many fans assume. That is actually written into the rules.

Due to that, I'm willing to bet that it is equally unlikely 2 Gs (or one in the CFP and one at large) would ever make the NY6 in the same year, even if they are Top 12. Or, perhaps they conveniently get dropped just below Top 12 in the final ranking.

A top12 ranking guarantees a team a NY6 bowl I believe. At that point it's just a matter of geography and matcbups. The only non 12th ranked team allowed into a NY6 slot is the g5 "highest ranked champ". Note "highest ranked " , because there's no way to know what team that will be until the season CCG 's are over07-coffee3

I don't think the Top 12 thing is ironclad. But I'm simply saying if one is in somewhere already, they will try to figure out a way to exclude the other. Call up the CFP rule for all Top 12 slots, have the SC drop the second one below 12, make an exception to take another P5 team, something.

Do not assume we will get 2 teams into the NY6. The committee makeup and the CFP system do not offer a level playing field.
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No..because the CPC wants to make sure that UCF does not beat another ranked opponent. They also want to keep UCF ranked low enough so that either Memphis or USF do not jump too high IF they win out. So I really hope USF gets ranked. Ouch..that hurt saying that.
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An omen?

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RE: Will USF sneak into the CFP Rankings?
(11-12-2017 07:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 03:36 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 01:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:23 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm 100% positive I read an article saying if a non-Power team made the playoffs, then the auto G5 slot goes away.

Whether that also applies if 2 non-Power teams make the Top 12 outside the playoffs, and both get a spot in the NY6, I'm not sure. Didn't see a definitive answer on that one.

But I bet it's likely we wouldn't get 2 slots then, either. If they won't let 2 in when one makes the CFP, I bet they won't let 2 in to at large spots, either, if they have a choice.

Poorly phrased: the highest ranked champion from the five non-contract-bowl conferences gets a spot in an NY6 bowl; the CFP semifinals are NY6 bowls.
If the highest ranked non-contract-bowl champ is in the top four it's not that something goes away, it is satisfied differently from previous at-large spots.

Totally unrelated from highest ranked champ getting one spot and then a second non-contract-bowl conference team being ranked high enough to get an at large.

True. Better phrasing. But it doesn't change the point. If a G makes the playoff, there is no auto spot assigned to the second best G, as many fans assume. That is actually written into the rules.

Due to that, I'm willing to bet that it is equally unlikely 2 Gs (or one in the CFP and one at large) would ever make the NY6 in the same year, even if they are Top 12. Or, perhaps they conveniently get dropped just below Top 12 in the final ranking.

A top12 ranking guarantees a team a NY6 bowl I believe. At that point it's just a matter of geography and matcbups. The only non 12th ranked team allowed into a NY6 slot is the g5 "highest ranked champ". Note "highest ranked " , because there's no way to know what team that will be until the season CCG 's are over07-coffee3

I don't think the Top 12 thing is ironclad. But I'm simply saying if one is in somewhere already, they will try to figure out a way to exclude the other. Call up the CFP rule for all Top 12 slots, have the SC drop the second one below 12, make an exception to take another P5 team, something.

Do not assume we will get 2 teams into the NY6. The committee makeup and the CFP system do not offer a level playing field.

There is no top-12 guarantee. The NY6 bowls are required to invite:
- the top-4 (CFP participants)
- contracted bids (Rose, Sugar, and Orange bowls)
- any displaced P5 champion (when a contract bowl hosts the CFP and a contracted conference isn't in the CFP)
- the highest ranked G5 champion

The contracted bids, displaced P5 champion, and highest ranked G5 champion can have any ranking or no ranking.

After that, to fill at large spots, if any, the NY6 *must* select participants in order of the CFP rankings. However, there is no guarantee that a top-12 team will be selected for the NY6. For instance, #10 Colorado and #12 Oklahoma St. played in the Alamo Bowl last year.

The number of at large teams varies from year-to-year, depending on which bowls are hosting the CFP and who is selected to play in the CFP.
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(11-14-2017 11:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  An omen?

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Not really. USF has been on there along with Toledo too.
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(11-14-2017 11:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  An omen?

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Not really. USF has been on there along with Toledo too.

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It's the committee. I think they are breaking me...
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(11-14-2017 11:12 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 07:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 03:36 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 01:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 10:23 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Poorly phrased: the highest ranked champion from the five non-contract-bowl conferences gets a spot in an NY6 bowl; the CFP semifinals are NY6 bowls.
If the highest ranked non-contract-bowl champ is in the top four it's not that something goes away, it is satisfied differently from previous at-large spots.

Totally unrelated from highest ranked champ getting one spot and then a second non-contract-bowl conference team being ranked high enough to get an at large.

True. Better phrasing. But it doesn't change the point. If a G makes the playoff, there is no auto spot assigned to the second best G, as many fans assume. That is actually written into the rules.

Due to that, I'm willing to bet that it is equally unlikely 2 Gs (or one in the CFP and one at large) would ever make the NY6 in the same year, even if they are Top 12. Or, perhaps they conveniently get dropped just below Top 12 in the final ranking.

A top12 ranking guarantees a team a NY6 bowl I believe. At that point it's just a matter of geography and matcbups. The only non 12th ranked team allowed into a NY6 slot is the g5 "highest ranked champ". Note "highest ranked " , because there's no way to know what team that will be until the season CCG 's are over07-coffee3

I don't think the Top 12 thing is ironclad. But I'm simply saying if one is in somewhere already, they will try to figure out a way to exclude the other. Call up the CFP rule for all Top 12 slots, have the SC drop the second one below 12, make an exception to take another P5 team, something.

Do not assume we will get 2 teams into the NY6. The committee makeup and the CFP system do not offer a level playing field.

There is no top-12 guarantee. The NY6 bowls are required to invite:
- the top-4 (CFP participants)
- contracted bids (Rose, Sugar, and Orange bowls)
- any displaced P5 champion (when a contract bowl hosts the CFP and a contracted conference isn't in the CFP)
- the highest ranked G5 champion

The contracted bids, displaced P5 champion, and highest ranked G5 champion can have any ranking or no ranking.

After that, to fill at large spots, if any, the NY6 *must* select participants in order of the CFP rankings. However, there is no guarantee that a top-12 team will be selected for the NY6. For instance, #10 Colorado and #12 Oklahoma St. played in the Alamo Bowl last year.

The number of at large teams varies from year-to-year, depending on which bowls are hosting the CFP and who is selected to play in the CFP.

Yes and no. There is no "top 12" guarantee. However, in true reality, with 5 at large spots, a top 12 team is virtually guaranteed to be in CFP this year (have to be selected in order of CFP rankings. Thus the top 12 virtual "guarantee".
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