(11-12-2017 08:55 AM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 10:36 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 10:09 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Several surprises: Sanford looked like a complete player (well, except for defense, but nobody plays defense), Fletcher looked pretty bewildered at times and not as athletic as I hoped but...

Agree about Fletcher. I guess I thought he’d be more of an impact guy? On the positive side, I was really surprised by Alderson. Gave us more than I anticipated he would. Sanford looks like he could have a huge season with someone else running the offense and allowing him to create his shots.

Re: TreShaun Fletcher

I suppose it depend where you were sitting; I saw a the most complete player (including Sanford who didn't need to take a last second layup but took it anyway to push his point total over 30--classy of you Jalen) on the floor.

Fletcher has quick hands and quick feet, its why he was defending St Joe's best player all night and won more 50/50 lose balls than anyone else on the floor--those are possessions that don't show up in the stat column.

I don't recall Fletcher on Newkirk unless a switch left him in a mismatch. I do recall Newkirk stripping him on one of his four turnovers. He'll be fine but I gotta say Sanford was easily our most complete player last night. The layup and the quick three DID appear to be an effort to get thirty and weren't smart plays. Coach K said afterward that he wanted to strangle him after the quick three but "Jalen just doesn't care".

(11-12-2017 09:40 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:27 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 01:30 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Home opener and we draw 3600. Tsk Tsk. That place used to average over 7,000

A lot of that 3600 were not even born the last time the MBB went to the NCAA and a lot of that 7000 are now dead.

I was a student early 2000s. We averaged near 7000 a night so that generation is certainly not dead...

I just checked, the highest avg attendance was around 5,700 a couple times. We've had a couple 5,000+ years a couple years ago. SO we recently were far off what the early 2000s had.

You won't often see a state line as good as Sanford's last night - 31 points, great shooting efficiency from the field and the foul line, 8 assists, and zero turnovers.

The Rocket's won't always shoot as well as they did last night, but then again they won't play a lot of teams as good as St. Joseph's, which for sure would content for a title if they were in the MAC.

(11-11-2017 10:55 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 10:36 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 10:09 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Several surprises: Sanford looked like a complete player (well, except for defense, but nobody plays defense), Fletcher looked pretty bewildered at times and not as athletic as I hoped but I compare all transfers to Arian Pearson, so..., Dylan Sanderson looks like a senior physically and played with great confidence and smarts. He’s gonna be a player. Looks like Hill gets the RS. Overall the Rockets played smart offensive ball with great movement and precision while playing ole’ defense. In other words- deja vu.

BTW, be very glad they had a limit on Number one’s minutes or it’s a very different game.

# 1...was that Newkirk? He had a great game against us last season, probably the only reason they won that one by 1 point.

Agree about Fletcher. I guess I thought he’d be more of an impact guy? On the positive side, I was really surprised by Alderson. Gave us more than I anticipated he would. Sanford looks like he could have a huge season with someone else running the offense and allowing him to create his shots.

First real game, new team, first time in front of home fans for real- I'll cut him some slack. He wasn't BAD, just more of a role player tonight.

I saw the same thing. Seems like he's not quite in the flow yet. Showed some sparks, though.

I hope they know what changed to cause them to blow that 17 pt lead. Nice to see them able to run it back up, though.

From what I saw its going to be a long couple of seasons for Roberts.

Overall fun game to watch and a good win. My only comment is we will need to find a way to score if the 3's aren't falling. It will be fun to see the new faces getting PT. We are still young with our junior class doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Maybe this year we win the majority of the close ones.

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(11-12-2017 11:08 AM)emanoh Wrote:  From what I saw its going to be a long couple of seasons for Roberts.

Overall fun game to watch and a good win. My only comment is we will need to find a way to score if the 3's aren't falling. It will be fun to see the new faces getting PT. We are still young with our junior class doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Maybe this year we win the majority of the close ones.

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I predict Roberts will be starting next year or at least the first guard off the bench. As for scoring when threes aren't falling, that was another thing Sanford did that impressed me. He hit threes, mid-range jumpers, layups off drives and went up in traffic to nearly throw down a dunk. Six inches higher and he might have gotten it. But he's no one trick pony anymore.

(11-12-2017 09:40 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:27 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 01:30 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Home opener and we draw 3600. Tsk Tsk. That place used to average over 7,000

A lot of that 3600 were not even born the last time the MBB went to the NCAA and a lot of that 7000 are now dead.

I was a student early 2000s. We averaged near 7000 a night so that generation is certainly not dead...

Your recollection of 7000 in the early 2000s seemed a bit more optimistic than I remembered, but then my memory isn't what is once was so I looked up the NCAA attendance stats and here is what I found: The high water mark for UT MBB attendance was in the early-mid 1980s when it topped 8,000 average for several years peaking at over 8800 in 1982 good for #42 in the country (for comparison, we have not been in the top 100 for a while now) Not coincidentally the last time the Rockets went to the NCAA was 1980. By the late 1980s it had dropped into the 7000s range and into the 6000s range by the 1990s. By the early 2000s it was in the 5000s range and pretty much remained there for the entire decade but dropped precipitously from about 5600 to about 3900 in 2010 and stayed in the high 3000 to 4000 range until barely topping 5000 for 2014 and 2015 before slipping back below the 5000 mark last year to 4478.

(11-12-2017 12:15 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 09:40 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:27 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 01:30 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Home opener and we draw 3600. Tsk Tsk. That place used to average over 7,000

A lot of that 3600 were not even born the last time the MBB went to the NCAA and a lot of that 7000 are now dead.

I was a student early 2000s. We averaged near 7000 a night so that generation is certainly not dead...

Your recollection of 7000 in the early 2000s seemed a bit more optimistic than I remembered, but then my memory isn't what is once was so I looked up the NCAA attendance stats and here is what I found: The high water mark for UT MBB attendance was in the early-mid 1980s when it topped 8,000 average for several years peaking at over 8800 in 1982 good for #42 in the country (for comparison, we have not been in the top 100 for a while now) Not coincidentally the last time the Rockets went to the NCAA was 1980. By the late 1980s it had dropped into the 7000s range and into the 6000s range by the 1990s. By the early 2000s it was in the 5000s range and pretty much remained there for the entire decade but dropped precipitously from about 5600 to about 3900 in 2010 and stayed in the high 3000 to 4000 range until barely topping 5000 for 2014 and 2015 before slipping back below the 5000 mark last year to 4478.

Almost 6,000 a game until 2002 when it dropped to 4,699.

An impressive home opening victory! So, now we know they can win at home on a night when they shoot 56% from beyond the arc even when scoring only 24 pts in the paint, 8 pts off turnovers, 7 pts on 2nd chance and 00 pts on fast breaks. TK started 4 perimeter players and Adway. How well that works on a tepid shooting night on the road will be challenging, especially in the MAC when the game films and scouting reports are available to opposing coaches.

Alderson and Knapke both had good games off the bench. Big Luke had 4 fouls in 19 minutes or he might have played more. Fletcher played 34 minutes despite 2 or 3 quick fouls in the 1st half that somewhat limited his game the rest of the night. And despite not being overpowering inside the Rockets were still able to out rebound St Jos 43-31 with long arms and hustle. This team will have to hustle. On that note, I wonder if there is any way to sneak Lauf and Ingram into uniforms without anyone noticing.

(11-12-2017 11:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:08 AM)emanoh Wrote:  From what I saw its going to be a long couple of seasons for Roberts.

Overall fun game to watch and a good win. My only comment is we will need to find a way to score if the 3's aren't falling. It will be fun to see the new faces getting PT. We are still young with our junior class doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Maybe this year we win the majority of the close ones.

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I predict Roberts will be starting next year or at least the first guard off the bench. As for scoring when threes aren't falling, that was another thing Sanford did that impressed me. He hit threes, mid-range jumpers, layups off drives and went up in traffic to nearly throw down a dunk. Six inches higher and he might have gotten it. But he's no one trick pony anymore.

Did you mean to type Roberts? Honestly, the only reason he is on the squad is that he is a good teammate and his dad is a highly connected college coach. Seems like a good kid, but his game is limited and he is undersized. Marreon Jackson is a far superior player and Sanford can play pg when Jackson is not. Plus, Spencer Littleson can play both guard positions and is much more dynamic than Roberts. He will move into the rotation next season.

(11-12-2017 01:00 PM)Sleepy Wrote:  An impressive home opening victory! So, now we know they can win at home on a night when they shoot 56% from beyond the arc even when scoring only 24 pts in the paint, 8 pts off turnovers, 7 pts on 2nd chance and 00 pts on fast breaks. TK started 4 perimeter players and Adway. How well that works on a tepid shooting night on the road will be challenging, especially in the MAC when the game films and scouting reports are available to opposing coaches.

Alderson and Knapke both had good games off the bench. Big Luke had 4 fouls in 19 minutes or he might have played more. Fletcher played 34 minutes despite 2 or 3 quick fouls in the 1st half that somewhat limited his game the rest of the night. And despite not being overpowering inside the Rockets were still able to out rebound St Jos 43-31 with long arms and hustle. This team will have to hustle. On that note, I wonder if there is any way to sneak Lauf and Ingram into uniforms without anyone noticing.

This team will shoot at a high percentage routinely from the field, 3 and the line. The roster is built for offensive efficiency and the new rules to enhance offensive movement and flow. Sanford won't always be that good, but Fetcher won't always be that bad. Really, this is a team of shooters with Adway and jackson adding hustle and filling key roles. When W Jackson gets eligible they will be a bit more physical and active on the offensive glass. BTW, Luke was good when he relaxed and stopped thinking too much. He can score with his size when he is fluid and decisive but he doesn't elevate much so when he is deliberate (like he was early) he isn't hard to block. unfortunately, his muscle development seems to have hit a plateau so i don't think he will transform into much of a banger and his ceiling is probably more as a passer and scorer in the flow of the offense than as a rebounder, defender or low post offensive presence.

(11-12-2017 08:39 PM)pono Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:08 AM)emanoh Wrote:  From what I saw its going to be a long couple of seasons for Roberts.

Overall fun game to watch and a good win. My only comment is we will need to find a way to score if the 3's aren't falling. It will be fun to see the new faces getting PT. We are still young with our junior class doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Maybe this year we win the majority of the close ones.

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I predict Roberts will be starting next year or at least the first guard off the bench. As for scoring when threes aren't falling, that was another thing Sanford did that impressed me. He hit threes, mid-range jumpers, layups off drives and went up in traffic to nearly throw down a dunk. Six inches higher and he might have gotten it. But he's no one trick pony anymore.

Did you mean to type Roberts? Honestly, the only reason he is on the squad is that he is a good teammate and his dad is a highly connected college coach. Seems like a good kid, but his game is limited and he is undersized. Marreon Jackson is a far superior player and Sanford can play pg when Jackson is not. Plus, Spencer Littleson can play both guard positions and is much more dynamic than Roberts. He will move into the rotation next season.

Yes, I meant Roberts. I just don't think he'll be starting or sixth man for Toledo or any D1 school.

(11-12-2017 12:49 AM)pono Wrote:  to me it was all about Marreon Jackson. been a long time since we had a player like him. tough, makes winning plays, good defender, smart passer, gets his teammates into position, and best of all, allows jaelen sanford room to look for his offense more than set up plays for the team. jackson, singlehandedly, makes us a much better team. there was open sequence where another rocket turns the ball over, st joes has a fast break and jackson sprints like a madman down the floor, somehow gets into enough defensive position to foul and stop the layup. st joes makes 1 of 2 . just a point, but on smarts and hustle he saves us a point. for a team that lost 6 overtime games last year. having a player who sees you a couple points here, makes a key three there, gets the ball to a shooter in rhythm as the shot clock winds down, is gonna be worth 4 or 5 wins.

I agree with this. He looks like he's going to be the kind of "glue guy" that every team needs. I know there will be growing pains, but it's nice to know we have 4 years of Jackson and Alderson to look forward to.

Overall, this team should be a fun one to watch, although they'll probably get pushed around a bit at times.

This team will have a chance to win each night....which is all I was hoping for with this squad

(11-12-2017 08:49 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:39 PM)pono Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:08 AM)emanoh Wrote:  From what I saw its going to be a long couple of seasons for Roberts.

Overall fun game to watch and a good win. My only comment is we will need to find a way to score if the 3's aren't falling. It will be fun to see the new faces getting PT. We are still young with our junior class doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Maybe this year we win the majority of the close ones.

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I predict Roberts will be starting next year or at least the first guard off the bench. As for scoring when threes aren't falling, that was another thing Sanford did that impressed me. He hit threes, mid-range jumpers, layups off drives and went up in traffic to nearly throw down a dunk. Six inches higher and he might have gotten it. But he's no one trick pony anymore.

Did you mean to type Roberts? Honestly, the only reason he is on the squad is that he is a good teammate and his dad is a highly connected college coach. Seems like a good kid, but his game is limited and he is undersized. Marreon Jackson is a far superior player and Sanford can play pg when Jackson is not. Plus, Spencer Littleson can play both guard positions and is much more dynamic than Roberts. He will move into the rotation next season.

Yes, I meant Roberts. I just don't think he'll be starting or sixth man for Toledo or any D1 school.

I bet he's a great kid and teammate. The talent in this years class took an upturn. The eye test for me seeing him the last two years doesn't think he's going to be the second comming of Justin Ingram or Juice Brown.

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(11-12-2017 11:35 PM)emanoh Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:49 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:39 PM)pono Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:08 AM)emanoh Wrote:  From what I saw its going to be a long couple of seasons for Roberts.

Overall fun game to watch and a good win. My only comment is we will need to find a way to score if the 3's aren't falling. It will be fun to see the new faces getting PT. We are still young with our junior class doing a lot of the heavy lifting. Maybe this year we win the majority of the close ones.

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I predict Roberts will be starting next year or at least the first guard off the bench. As for scoring when threes aren't falling, that was another thing Sanford did that impressed me. He hit threes, mid-range jumpers, layups off drives and went up in traffic to nearly throw down a dunk. Six inches higher and he might have gotten it. But he's no one trick pony anymore.

Did you mean to type Roberts? Honestly, the only reason he is on the squad is that he is a good teammate and his dad is a highly connected college coach. Seems like a good kid, but his game is limited and he is undersized. Marreon Jackson is a far superior player and Sanford can play pg when Jackson is not. Plus, Spencer Littleson can play both guard positions and is much more dynamic than Roberts. He will move into the rotation next season.

Yes, I meant Roberts. I just don't think he'll be starting or sixth man for Toledo or any D1 school.

I bet he's a great kid and teammate. The talent in this years class took an upturn. The eye test for me seeing him the last two years doesn't think he's going to be the second comming of Justin Ingram or Juice Brown.

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No doubt and he clearly has the smarts, but he's not getting minutes with the group we have and it will just get worse as the frosh develop and Jackson becomes eligible. He would be a solid PG for an NAIA team.

(11-12-2017 11:48 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:35 PM)emanoh Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:49 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 08:39 PM)pono Wrote:  

(11-12-2017 11:50 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I predict Roberts will be starting next year or at least the first guard off the bench. As for scoring when threes aren't falling, that was another thing Sanford did that impressed me. He hit threes, mid-range jumpers, layups off drives and went up in traffic to nearly throw down a dunk. Six inches higher and he might have gotten it. But he's no one trick pony anymore.

Did you mean to type Roberts? Honestly, the only reason he is on the squad is that he is a good teammate and his dad is a highly connected college coach. Seems like a good kid, but his game is limited and he is undersized. Marreon Jackson is a far superior player and Sanford can play pg when Jackson is not. Plus, Spencer Littleson can play both guard positions and is much more dynamic than Roberts. He will move into the rotation next season.

Yes, I meant Roberts. I just don't think he'll be starting or sixth man for Toledo or any D1 school.

I bet he's a great kid and teammate. The talent in this years class took an upturn. The eye test for me seeing him the last two years doesn't think he's going to be the second comming of Justin Ingram or Juice Brown.

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No doubt and he clearly has the smarts, but he's not getting minutes with the group we have and it will just get worse as the frosh develop and Jackson becomes eligible. He would be a solid PG for an NAIA team.

Agreed

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Jaelan Sanford MAC West Player of the Week for his game against St. Joseph's

http://www.utrockets.com/news/2017/11/13...ath=mbball

Sanford was good. Which will also be number one on the scouting report...