(11-10-2017 12:37 PM)epasnoopy Wrote: 'sterling1man Wrote:What an unrealistic and irrelevant measuring stick you choose Epasnoopy.
Your subjective definition of good teams is somewhat inflated.
You have a very negative Lense when it involvest Rod Carey which is laughable.
Your subjective post season Bowl wins measure, seems laughable when many coaches and fans just want to get a Bowl invite. There is no incentive to win for a team or coach interms of bowl payout. Yet in your mind that is the second most relevant measuring stick of NIU FB.
Please allow me to remind you of the obvious:
Relevant NIU FOOTBALL COACH measuring benchmarks do include:
1) past Succesful NIU FB coaches.
Bill Mallory(80-83) 25-19 conference 19-15 then spent 13 years at B1G Indiana .
Jerry Pettibone (85-90) 33-32-1 Conf. 4-4 Then went to Oregon State for 6 years.
Joe Novak (96-2007) 63-76 Conf. 47-38 retired as legend.
Jerry Kill ( 08-10) 23-16 Conf. 18-6 went to Minnesota (2011-2015)
Distant history:
Howard Fletcher(56-68) 74-48-1 hall of fame inductee.
Chick Evans(29-54) 132-70-20 hall of fame inductee.
Rod Carey has a better winning percentage than all of the above.
43-22, Conference 31-7
Only Dave Doeren has a better win percentage after two years.
Comparing anyone to Dave Doeren may be unrealistic.
2) Conference record: Rod Carey is incredible.
3) B1G record. The best ever NIU coach and unlikely to be surpassed.
4) MAC titles: 1
5) MACC games 3 - NIU record.
6) MAC west titles 3.
7) Record against Toledo 3-2 Most wins.
8) Post season appearances will be 4/5 last year NIU was the next in line to receive a post season Bowl despite going 5-7.
How many Div1a football coaches of 5 years or more who earn under $1million/year have a better winning percentage, a better Conference record than Rod Carey?
How many Div1a football coaches of 5 years or more have a better winning percentage, a better Conference record than Rod Carey?
Finally it is customary in Div1a football to reward a coach who has a winning total percentage, winning conference record with a raise.
It's unrealistic to expect to win more than 32% of our games against winning teams? It's unrealistic to not get absolutely dominated in bowl games?
A coach with an inflated overall record due to a large majority of wins over bad teams does not deserve an extension or a raise. There's a reason no other school has hired away Carey yet.
Epasnoopy, you are a very dedicated NIU football fan who has been around long before the Orange Bowl peak.
I remember several projects which you undertook inorder to show your support for NIU FB. You savoured the Garrett Wolfe years as much as anyone on this board.
You were around in 2003 when NIU went 10-2 2-2 against very good ranked teams.
I do not remember you arguing that the Great Alabama win at Alabama was not against a team with a winning record?
I do not remember you argueing that the Iowa State win was against a team that won 2 games that year so was not a good win!
(Iowa State played 5 ranked teams that year including #1 ranked Oklahoma and went 0-5.)
With the current logic you are using, many of the Bones representing wins against P5 teams would be invalidated because the teams never had a winning record that year.
From 1990-1998 NIU FB sucked you were around.
You experienced Lee Corso and Charlie Sadler whom I believe both had a negative impact on NIU FB.
I would hardly describe six great well recognized NIU FB coaches as ,"
A coach with an inflated overall record due to a large majority of wins over bad teams does not deserve an extension or a raise".
You have shown logic on many posts.
You do understand that:
1) Teams are scheduled many years ahead.
2) NIU or any other UNiversity is not responsible if the team gets worse or has injuries after the NIu game and does not have a winning record.
3) NIU is in the MAC. That is reality. Judgeing NIU coaches according to the MAC is logical, more logical then against P5 teams who have a winning record.
4) Two hall of fame coaches did not play Div1a football. NIU like so many other teams
Graduated to Div1a.
5) in approximately 50 years at Div1a NIU has arguably had far less funds then most other Div1a programs. Yet the performance of NIU has arguably been way ahead of the money spent on the FB program.
6) You celebrated that first trip to Detroit with Garrett Wolfe with a video you made, showing your love for NIU FB.
7) You lived through 2003, enjoyed the Bowl of 2004 and if I remember correctly we're upset when In 2005 NIU finally went to Detroit lost 30-31 to Akron on that crazy Hail Mary pass and Toledo despite losing to NOU that year got the second MAC Bowl invite and NIU got snubbed again for a post season Bowl.
8) You understand the advantage of an extra month of FB practice from a Bowl game and that NIU does not get any extra money for winning.
9) You understand that playing a third string QB is not the same as a first string QB, unless you are Ohio State.
10) You loved Dave Doeren and praised his record this year and said that he deserved a big raise and contract extension!!
Granted Dave Doeren was 23-4 at NIU and Conference had a 15-1 record including two MAC titles.
He then goes to North Carolina State(forgoing the $100 000 Orange Bowl bonus. (granted his monthly salary from NC State was above well above $100 000.) who can blame him. He gets a five year multi million $ contract which is just as well.
2013 3-9. 0-8
2014 8-5 3-5 minor Bowl game(which he wins a stat you seem to value v highly)
2015 7-6. 3-5 minor Bowl game(which he loses a stat you seem to value v highly)
2016 7-6. 3-5 minor Bowl game(which he wins a stat you seem to value v highly)
So from 2013-2016 his two minor Bowl wins are you might argue far more important than his 9-24 conference record!?
2013 His three wins were against an FCS team, a conference USA team with four wins that season and the quality win was against CMU who had 6 wins that year and did not have a post season Bowl game. You might argue that NC State beat CMU by 34 points while a then 23rd ranked NIU beat CMU by only 21 points.
Therefore all is forgiven?
Happily in 2017 NC State is having a breakout year 6-3 4-1.
It is wonderful to see a former NIU player or coach Do well.
However the standards you hold Rod Carey to clearly seem not to apply to Dave Doeren.
This year you say Dave Doeren deserves a big raise and contract extension.
If his name was Rod Carey you might argue that none of his four conference wins are against winning teams therefore do not count according to your subjective measurements.
His only win against a winning Div1a team is against 6-5 Marshall.
His Florida State team win does not count if his name was Rod Carey because they have a losing record this year.
Although I hope and it seems that NC State will have a breakout year, it is still too early to know. You came to this judgement extolling how incredible Dave Doreen's record was after beating a ranked Florida State and Louisville (although now they have losing records). Since then sadly NC State has beaten Pittsburgh (woohoo) and lost to two top 6 teams.
I hope that NC State wins atleast two of their next three games and records his first 9 game win regular season at NC State. (I also hope he wins his Bowl game, as this means so much especially to you, Epasnoopy NIU super fan.) I do hope BC beats them as it will make NIU look good.
EPASnoopy:
Please remember NIU is in the MAC, has a relatively very small football budget(so employing Les Miles as the next coach is not realistic at present).
NIU also has had more difficulty scheduling very good P5 teams due to its success.
Losing to a MAC team could cost an AD (peg Nebraska a job), while beating NIU is not recognized as a good P5 equivalent win.
We all want to see NIU get another Orange Bowl invite, but are realistic to know that it is not a realistic yearly benchmark. Even Dave Doeren is unlikely to earn a premier New year Bowl slot this year.
