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RE: Respect From the World
(11-10-2017 12:17 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  1. What has Trump done about those islands since becoming President? Oh, he had a "frank" discussion? Well would you look at that?
2. The Trump campaign literally changed the GOP position on Crimea so as to downplay what occurred there. So, no, things wouldn't have been better with Trump.
Fact is, sanctions and condemnation is all you're going to find over issues like Crimea and the South Sea islands because two nuclear powers aren't going to start a shooting war over that. So, you know, maybe try to figure out exactly why you have such strong negative emotions about Obamas foreign policy. If you can't, maybe re-evaluate your stance?

There are three major potential hot spots in the world--Eastern Europe, the South China Sea, and the Middle East. All three got worse on Obama's watch.

Crimea is tricky. As I've pointed out in the Obama years, it's hard to make even a significant show of force there because the Montreux Convention makes it a violation of international law for us to transit aircraft carriers through the Bosporus and Dardanelles into the Black Sea. Putin's big problem is that Russia's presently constituted borders provide no natural barriers facing Europe, and thus are difficult to defend. Add to this the fact that the military-age population in Russia is declining so that it will be impossible in a few years to maintain the armed forces at current levels. These two factors combined may exert some expansionist pressures on Putin in the next decade, before he runs out of troops. I don't know that there is anything we really can do except hope that Putin does not give in to the impulse to push his borders back to at least the Carpathians. I think the best strategy is to try to work diplomatically to calm Russian fears while negotiating real limits on how far he can go. It's definitely playing God with things that are not ours, but the eastern Ukraine is predominantly Russian, and that might be a trading chip at some point.

As for China, at this point I think that if we can keep them inside the so-called First Island Chain, we would be okay. The PLAN is really not set up to be a blue water navy at this point--none but ours really is--and achieving blue water status is probably several decades away. A key part of that chain is the Philippines, which appear to be flipping toward China. I'm not sure whether we can turn that process around or not, but it should probably be a priority. One thing, if we drew down our presence in the Mideast significantly, China then has to extend its naval resources perhaps beyond breaking point to preserve and secure its oil trade routes with the Gulf region. That could slow down their ambitions quite bit. It could also lead to conflict with India or Japan.

As for the Middle East, we simply don't understand the cultural and ethnic issues very well. The idea that we could bring democracy to Iraq, and that would bring stability to the region, was wrong on two counts. We couldn't and it didn't. Obama pursued a policy of making Iran the regional hegemony. They may become so anyway--they clearly want to, at least historically. But I'm fairly certain it is not in our best interests to facilitate that.

At this point I would pursue polices of negotiation and helping out allies maintain some level of equality in all three areas.
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No world leaders respected Obama. They loved him because he was so f'n easy to take advantage of. World leaders used him like a two dollar whore. Bad part, he thought they really loved him.
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(11-10-2017 03:16 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  No world leaders respected Obama. They loved him because he was so f'n easy to take advantage of. World leaders used him like a two dollar whore. Bad part, he thought they really loved him.

Again, based on what, EXACTLY?
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(11-10-2017 05:57 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 03:16 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  No world leaders respected Obama. They loved him because he was so f'n easy to take advantage of. World leaders used him like a two dollar whore. Bad part, he thought they really loved him.

Again, based on what, EXACTLY?

Common sense.
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Hows that NK nuclear problem coming under Trump?
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(11-10-2017 06:38 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 05:57 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 03:16 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  No world leaders respected Obama. They loved him because he was so f'n easy to take advantage of. World leaders used him like a two dollar whore. Bad part, he thought they really loved him.

Again, based on what, EXACTLY?

Common sense.

So nothing besides empty platitudes fed to you from the right-wing news sphere completely devoid of actual data or evidence to support it? If you have no actual answer to this question, you should probably reevaluate your position.
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(11-10-2017 08:05 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:38 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 05:57 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 03:16 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  No world leaders respected Obama. They loved him because he was so f'n easy to take advantage of. World leaders used him like a two dollar whore. Bad part, he thought they really loved him.

Again, based on what, EXACTLY?

Common sense.

So nothing besides empty platitudes fed to you from the right-wing news sphere completely devoid of actual data or evidence to support it? If you have no actual answer to this question, you should probably reevaluate your position.

Lots of words there, but nothing of substance said.
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(11-10-2017 09:52 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 08:05 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:38 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 05:57 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 03:16 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  No world leaders respected Obama. They loved him because he was so f'n easy to take advantage of. World leaders used him like a two dollar whore. Bad part, he thought they really loved him.

Again, based on what, EXACTLY?

Common sense.

So nothing besides empty platitudes fed to you from the right-wing news sphere completely devoid of actual data or evidence to support it? If you have no actual answer to this question, you should probably reevaluate your position.

Lots of words there, but nothing of substance said.

The substance was that if you cannot find evidence to support your position, you should reevaluate your position. It's a simple concept that you should probably know by now, but this messageboard has taught me how little thought some Americans put into their positions.
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(11-10-2017 01:20 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs trying to praise Obama's foreign policy achievements.....Now that is truly hilarious.

should be a short argument.
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RE: Respect From the World
(11-10-2017 12:58 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:52 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 08:05 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:38 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 05:57 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Again, based on what, EXACTLY?

Common sense.

So nothing besides empty platitudes fed to you from the right-wing news sphere completely devoid of actual data or evidence to support it? If you have no actual answer to this question, you should probably reevaluate your position.

Lots of words there, but nothing of substance said.

The substance was that if you cannot find evidence to support your position, you should reevaluate your position. It's a simple concept that you should probably know by now, but this messageboard has taught me how little thought some Americans put into their positions.

Including you.
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Its laughable that libturds, with their indefensible positions, are telling others they need to re-evaluate their positions. Especially after a year of facts proving them so wrong.
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(11-09-2017 10:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, who here has actually left the country since his election and/or talked to a significant amount of foreign nationals about this? I've done both, and it's consistent across the board that it was a "wtf" moment on a global scale.

Tell us princess... Did you leave the country or just "talk to foreign nationals"... Kinda like John Kerry and all the "diplomats" he met just walking around.
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They actually had some nice tanks in WW2, too, but just didn't figure out how to use them correctly until it was too late.
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(11-10-2017 02:46 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 10:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, who here has actually left the country since his election and/or talked to a significant amount of foreign nationals about this? I've done both, and it's consistent across the board that it was a "wtf" moment on a global scale.

Tell us princess... Did you leave the country or just "talk to foreign nationals"... Kinda like John Kerry and all the "diplomats" he met just walking around.

Traveled to Iceland a few weeks ago, and I work in a hospital which gets large amounts of international tourists as patients. I have yet to see or hear a single one of them say any single positive thing about Trump, that is not hyperbole for the record, and I've provided data which supports the assertion that he has greatly hurt the perception the United States internationally.

This thread is nothing but complete echo-chamber nonsense.
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(11-10-2017 09:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:46 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 10:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, who here has actually left the country since his election and/or talked to a significant amount of foreign nationals about this? I've done both, and it's consistent across the board that it was a "wtf" moment on a global scale.

Tell us princess... Did you leave the country or just "talk to foreign nationals"... Kinda like John Kerry and all the "diplomats" he met just walking around.

Traveled to Iceland a few weeks ago, and I work in a hospital which gets large amounts of international tourists as patients. I have yet to see or hear a single one of them say any single positive thing about Trump, that is not hyperbole for the record, and I've provided data which supports the assertion that he has greatly hurt the perception the United States internationally.

This thread is nothing but complete echo-chamber nonsense.

This passes for informative?
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(11-10-2017 09:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:46 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 10:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, who here has actually left the country since his election and/or talked to a significant amount of foreign nationals about this? I've done both, and it's consistent across the board that it was a "wtf" moment on a global scale.

Tell us princess... Did you leave the country or just "talk to foreign nationals"... Kinda like John Kerry and all the "diplomats" he met just walking around.

Traveled to Iceland a few weeks ago, and I work in a hospital which gets large amounts of international tourists as patients. I have yet to see or hear a single one of them say any single positive thing about Trump, that is not hyperbole for the record, and I've provided data which supports the assertion that he has greatly hurt the perception the United States internationally.

This thread is nothing but complete echo-chamber nonsense.

This passes for informative?

Well, it's information he asked for, but the informative part is where I provided sources showing that every survey on the subject shows that international opinions of the US have plummeted since the election of Trump. If you can find data which says otherwise, by all means please present it.

You won't, though.
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(11-10-2017 09:45 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:46 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 10:51 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, who here has actually left the country since his election and/or talked to a significant amount of foreign nationals about this? I've done both, and it's consistent across the board that it was a "wtf" moment on a global scale.

Tell us princess... Did you leave the country or just "talk to foreign nationals"... Kinda like John Kerry and all the "diplomats" he met just walking around.

Traveled to Iceland a few weeks ago, and I work in a hospital which gets large amounts of international tourists as patients. I have yet to see or hear a single one of them say any single positive thing about Trump, that is not hyperbole for the record, and I've provided data which supports the assertion that he has greatly hurt the perception the United States internationally.

This thread is nothing but complete echo-chamber nonsense.

This passes for informative?

Well, it's information he asked for, but the informative part is where I provided sources showing that every survey on the subject shows that international opinions of the US have plummeted since the election of Trump. If you can find data which says otherwise, by all means please present it.

You won't, though.

You figure they do robocalls in the Congo?
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(11-10-2017 09:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:45 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:46 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Tell us princess... Did you leave the country or just "talk to foreign nationals"... Kinda like John Kerry and all the "diplomats" he met just walking around.

Traveled to Iceland a few weeks ago, and I work in a hospital which gets large amounts of international tourists as patients. I have yet to see or hear a single one of them say any single positive thing about Trump, that is not hyperbole for the record, and I've provided data which supports the assertion that he has greatly hurt the perception the United States internationally.

This thread is nothing but complete echo-chamber nonsense.

This passes for informative?

Well, it's information he asked for, but the informative part is where I provided sources showing that every survey on the subject shows that international opinions of the US have plummeted since the election of Trump. If you can find data which says otherwise, by all means please present it.

You won't, though.

You figure they do robocalls in the Congo?

Yep, told you that you wouldn't.
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(11-10-2017 09:50 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:45 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:39 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Traveled to Iceland a few weeks ago, and I work in a hospital which gets large amounts of international tourists as patients. I have yet to see or hear a single one of them say any single positive thing about Trump, that is not hyperbole for the record, and I've provided data which supports the assertion that he has greatly hurt the perception the United States internationally.

This thread is nothing but complete echo-chamber nonsense.

This passes for informative?

Well, it's information he asked for, but the informative part is where I provided sources showing that every survey on the subject shows that international opinions of the US have plummeted since the election of Trump. If you can find data which says otherwise, by all means please present it.

You won't, though.

You figure they do robocalls in the Congo?

Yep, told you that you wouldn't.

Bless your heart
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(11-10-2017 09:51 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:50 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:45 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:40 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This passes for informative?

Well, it's information he asked for, but the informative part is where I provided sources showing that every survey on the subject shows that international opinions of the US have plummeted since the election of Trump. If you can find data which says otherwise, by all means please present it.

You won't, though.

You figure they do robocalls in the Congo?

Yep, told you that you wouldn't.

Bless your heart

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