(11-09-2017 03:55 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: I'd love it to stop. Stop trying to turn every debate about gun issues into one of you can't discuss it because you're not a weapons expert in all facets...so you're shouted down. I'd LOVE to stop that!
I'm quite certain you aren't speaking to me, but just in case you are...
you don't have to be an expert in all facets and nobody has suggested you do (that I've seen)...
but acting like someone making a totally ineffective (for the purpose of doing harm) novelty item is 'part of the gun problem' doesn't demonstrate that one is not an expert in 'all' facets, but implies that you don't know anything about the problem whatsoever.
All I did was read the link you cited. If you're going to present something as evidence, you might want to know what the link says....
But yes, if you want to engage in intelligent discourse on the subject, I think it behooves you to be open to being educated on the issue, especially if you admit that you don't know that much about it.
Here is a perfect example of how 'not knowing everything' keeps us from moving forward.
People like you think that banning 'semi-automatic weapons' is a good idea.... not knowing that this means that 90% of hand-guns (which many of you say you're okay with) would suddenly be illegal.... and when the rational right points this out, the lunatic left argues that these hillbilly rednecks want to keep their zombie chainsaws when the reality is that the family living in a dangerous neighborhood simply wants to keep their 9mm and 3 shot hunting rifle... so nothing happens.
stalemate
polarization.
speaking generally and not necessarily to you... I don't know what you do or don't know... but Listen to people trying to educate you on the issue and perhaps we can GET somewhere.
People like the AR-15 in large part because they can buy one frame and have multiple 'tops' for a variety of uses. The frames are also adjustable so that people of a variety of sizes can share a gun comfortably. These are things I didn't know before being educated on the issues. Also, like most things we buy in America, the 'style' also matters and they are customizable, including a zombie apocalypse bayonette
NONE of that is about the ability to kill lots of people.... because almost nobody buys it for that purpose. Sure, SOME buy it (as the Constitution intended) because they can imagine a time when our government could become too tyranical (maybe it's just the local government with a crooked sheriff?) and you need protection... and maybe you think that's crazy... but go to places in remote Utah or Texas and it won't be so crazy.