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(11-08-2017 09:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  There's been a lot of predicting of the $$ that the AAC media deal will bring in 2020. How about who? ESPN? Fox? NBC? I'm predicting CBS-SN gets the majority of the AAC media deal. I'm basing this on the way they talk about us. It's very favorable coverage. ESPN ignores or laughs at the P6 stuff. Fox outright acts like the AAC doesn't exist and NBC....I've given up on them as serious players. Outside of Notre Dame football they don't seem to care. I predict Aresco gets a 6 year deal with CBS-SN for 6 years (2020-2026) worth 4.5 million per team per year.

After watching the recording of the ECU/BYU game, I was very impressed with the CBSSN broadcast. The graphics were top notch, the picture was clear, camera work was good and the commentators actually seemed knowledgeable about both teams. The sound quality of the crowd came through nice and clear. Unlike the mickey mouse sports network, they have consistently managed to use 'ECU' in their graphics, rather than E. Carolina, E. Car. or whatever. Same for other schools like S. Florida.

If the money is there, I would be very happy with the quality of their broadcasts. Until now the money has been with ESPN, but I am disgusted with their manipulation of college sports. We have to go with the money, but I hope it is someone else.

BYU vs East Carolina 2017 highlights on youtube recorded from CBSSN


They do a good job. They just dont have the subscriber base of ESPN or even NBC-Sports.

But how do you know that? I haven’t seen published viewer numbers for cbs-sn. NBC -SN? Never watch it as it has 0 things on it I find interesting. I’m predicting CBS-SN, and I want them as they don’t use the games they broadcast as an informercial for the cartel. They give great insight into the teams playing, and actually care about the game they are broadcasting. NBC/Notre Dame games is an embarrassing thing to watch. Bush league. NBC-SN would be a minor league version of that bush league broadcast.
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RE: AAC TV deal predictions on which media group gets us?
(11-10-2017 09:41 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
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(11-08-2017 09:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  There's been a lot of predicting of the $$ that the AAC media deal will bring in 2020. How about who? ESPN? Fox? NBC? I'm predicting CBS-SN gets the majority of the AAC media deal. I'm basing this on the way they talk about us. It's very favorable coverage. ESPN ignores or laughs at the P6 stuff. Fox outright acts like the AAC doesn't exist and NBC....I've given up on them as serious players. Outside of Notre Dame football they don't seem to care. I predict Aresco gets a 6 year deal with CBS-SN for 6 years (2020-2026) worth 4.5 million per team per year.

After watching the recording of the ECU/BYU game, I was very impressed with the CBSSN broadcast. The graphics were top notch, the picture was clear, camera work was good and the commentators actually seemed knowledgeable about both teams. The sound quality of the crowd came through nice and clear. Unlike the mickey mouse sports network, they have consistently managed to use 'ECU' in their graphics, rather than E. Carolina, E. Car. or whatever. Same for other schools like S. Florida.

If the money is there, I would be very happy with the quality of their broadcasts. Until now the money has been with ESPN, but I am disgusted with their manipulation of college sports. We have to go with the money, but I hope it is someone else.

BYU vs East Carolina 2017 highlights on youtube recorded from CBSSN


They do a good job. They just dont have the subscriber base of ESPN or even NBC-Sports.

But how do you know that? I haven’t seen published viewer numbers for cbs-sn. NBC -SN? Never watch it as it has 0 things on it I find interesting. I’m predicting CBS-SN, and I want them as they don’t use the games they broadcast as an informercial for the cartel. They give great insight into the teams playing, and actually care about the game they are broadcasting. NBC/Notre Dame games is an embarrassing thing to watch. Bush league. NBC-SN would be a minor league version of that bush league broadcast.

Subscribers refers to the number of people who actually receive (purchase) the network. Ratings are about viewership—but you can’t be a viewer if you don’t subscribe. So essentially, “subscribers” is a measure of potential audience. ESPN has about 87 million subscribers. NBC-Sports has around 84 million. CBS-Sports is way back at around 60 million subscribers. CBS-Sports apparently isnt tracked by Nielsen (guess the network chose not pay for the service), which is why you never see the ratings for CBS-Sports on Sports Media Watch.

http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/numbers/
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I think NBC is going to want to make a real play for our content. They didn't think espn would match the exposure part of the deal and lost us in the process.
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ESPN has:

ESPN
ESPNews
ESPNU
ESPN2
And a whole bunch of ESPN alternate channel numbers (on Dish at least. not familiar with other cable or satellite situations, but I'm sure it's probably the same)

What does NBC have?

NBC (Channel 5 local in Memphis)
NBCSN
What else?


Or is the idea that if they get in the game like ESPN, that they will acquire more channel numbers than they have at the moment?
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(11-10-2017 10:46 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  ESPN has:

ESPN
ESPNews
ESPNU
ESPN2
And a whole bunch of ESPN alternate channel numbers (on Dish at least. not familiar with other cable or satellite situations, but I'm sure it's probably the same)

What does NBC have?

NBC (Channel 5 local in Memphis)
NBCSN
What else?


Or is the idea that if they get in the game like ESPN, that they will acquire more channel numbers than they have at the moment?

Another reason I think the AAC package would be split between multiple networks. Neither ESPN or NBC need that much content. Best case for NBC is they could show one AAC game on NBC and 2 on NBC-Sports. That makes NBC more suitable for a 20-25 game package. Sell a 25 game package to ESPN. The rest to CBS-Sports. Work out a rotating selection system that keeps the CBS package from being all 3rd tier content (say, let them pick third every other week and 6th the rest of the time).
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(11-10-2017 10:54 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 10:46 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  ESPN has:

ESPN
ESPNews
ESPNU
ESPN2
And a whole bunch of ESPN alternate channel numbers (on Dish at least. not familiar with other cable or satellite situations, but I'm sure it's probably the same)

What does NBC have?

NBC (Channel 5 local in Memphis)
NBCSN
What else?


Or is the idea that if they get in the game like ESPN, that they will acquire more channel numbers than they have at the moment?

Another reason I think the AAC package would be split between multiple networks. Neither ESPN or NBC need that much content. Best case for NBC is they could show one AAC game on NBC and 2 on NBC-Sports. That makes NBC more suitable for a 20-25 game package. Sell a 25 game package to ESPN. The rest to CBS-Sports. Work out a rotating selection system that keeps the CBS package from being all 3rd tier content (say, let them pick third every other week and 6th the rest of the time).

Any potential TV event broadcast not a part of an actual TV schedule should revert to the individual schools. Probably better terms for explaining this but in our current situation many events are relegated to ESPN3 (& most of us don't bother with this poor service). In the next deal such events should be the property of the home school to market as they determine for local broadcast, conference wide pick-up or specific in-conference local TV &/or radio broadcast. And remember still over 50% of the potential market doesn't have access to unlimited video quality data streaming capability.
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Having CBS Sports Network as our primary rights holder would be the equivalent of having ESPN's lowest watched channel (ESPN News) as the primary rights holder. No one would even know our games were on TV.
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(11-10-2017 02:01 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  Having CBS Sports Network as our primary rights holder would be the equivalent of having ESPN's lowest watched channel (ESPN News) as the primary rights holder. No one would even know our games were on TV.

I'm hoping ESPN is tier 1

Cbs/NBC/streaming - tier 2
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(11-10-2017 02:22 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:01 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  Having CBS Sports Network as our primary rights holder would be the equivalent of having ESPN's lowest watched channel (ESPN News) as the primary rights holder. No one would even know our games were on TV.

I'm hoping ESPN is tier 1

Cbs/NBC/streaming - tier 2

Probably, scenario without NBC. ESPN will still sell games to CBS SN.
Also, doesn't ESPN still have the right to match clause?
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(11-10-2017 04:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:22 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:01 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  Having CBS Sports Network as our primary rights holder would be the equivalent of having ESPN's lowest watched channel (ESPN News) as the primary rights holder. No one would even know our games were on TV.

I'm hoping ESPN is tier 1

Cbs/NBC/streaming - tier 2

Probably, scenario without NBC. ESPN will still sell games to CBS SN.
Also, doesn't ESPN still have the right to match clause?

I'm assuming that was the last contract, but ESPN could buy everything and sell it off again.
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(11-10-2017 05:06 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 04:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:22 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:01 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  Having CBS Sports Network as our primary rights holder would be the equivalent of having ESPN's lowest watched channel (ESPN News) as the primary rights holder. No one would even know our games were on TV.

I'm hoping ESPN is tier 1

Cbs/NBC/streaming - tier 2

Probably, scenario without NBC. ESPN will still sell games to CBS SN.
Also, doesn't ESPN still have the right to match clause?

I'm assuming that was the last contract, but ESPN could buy everything and sell it off again.

Hoping that doesn't happen - and it shouldn't, given the AAC is now a proven market. ESPN has essentially had the AAC contract at a very low cost & is making a good margin, not just from AAC game advertising but a significant amount from CBS.
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(11-10-2017 05:14 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 05:06 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 04:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:22 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:01 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  Having CBS Sports Network as our primary rights holder would be the equivalent of having ESPN's lowest watched channel (ESPN News) as the primary rights holder. No one would even know our games were on TV.

I'm hoping ESPN is tier 1

Cbs/NBC/streaming - tier 2

Probably, scenario without NBC. ESPN will still sell games to CBS SN.
Also, doesn't ESPN still have the right to match clause?

I'm assuming that was the last contract, but ESPN could buy everything and sell it off again.

Hoping that doesn't happen - and it shouldn't, given the AAC is now a proven market. ESPN has essentially had the AAC contract at a very low cost & is making a good margin, not just from AAC game advertising but a significant amount from CBS.

Unless espn pays heavy and they can do whatever with the content with cbs or nbc.
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(11-10-2017 10:37 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:41 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 11:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 10:13 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 09:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  There's been a lot of predicting of the $$ that the AAC media deal will bring in 2020. How about who? ESPN? Fox? NBC? I'm predicting CBS-SN gets the majority of the AAC media deal. I'm basing this on the way they talk about us. It's very favorable coverage. ESPN ignores or laughs at the P6 stuff. Fox outright acts like the AAC doesn't exist and NBC....I've given up on them as serious players. Outside of Notre Dame football they don't seem to care. I predict Aresco gets a 6 year deal with CBS-SN for 6 years (2020-2026) worth 4.5 million per team per year.

After watching the recording of the ECU/BYU game, I was very impressed with the CBSSN broadcast. The graphics were top notch, the picture was clear, camera work was good and the commentators actually seemed knowledgeable about both teams. The sound quality of the crowd came through nice and clear. Unlike the mickey mouse sports network, they have consistently managed to use 'ECU' in their graphics, rather than E. Carolina, E. Car. or whatever. Same for other schools like S. Florida.

If the money is there, I would be very happy with the quality of their broadcasts. Until now the money has been with ESPN, but I am disgusted with their manipulation of college sports. We have to go with the money, but I hope it is someone else.

BYU vs East Carolina 2017 highlights on youtube recorded from CBSSN


They do a good job. They just dont have the subscriber base of ESPN or even NBC-Sports.

But how do you know that? I haven’t seen published viewer numbers for cbs-sn. NBC -SN? Never watch it as it has 0 things on it I find interesting. I’m predicting CBS-SN, and I want them as they don’t use the games they broadcast as an informercial for the cartel. They give great insight into the teams playing, and actually care about the game they are broadcasting. NBC/Notre Dame games is an embarrassing thing to watch. Bush league. NBC-SN would be a minor league version of that bush league broadcast.

Subscribers refers to the number of people who actually receive (purchase) the network. Ratings are about viewership—but you can’t be a viewer if you don’t subscribe. So essentially, “subscribers” is a measure of potential audience. ESPN has about 87 million subscribers. NBC-Sports has around 84 million. CBS-Sports is way back at around 60 million subscribers. CBS-Sports apparently isnt tracked by Nielsen (guess the network chose not pay for the service), which is why you never see the ratings for CBS-Sports on Sports Media Watch.

http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/numbers/

CBS SN sucks for distribution, but is good on commentary for the teams and conferences they are showing. I wish they were part of Nielsen ratings because I would be very curious to know. My best estimation is that the number of viewers on CBSSN is equivalent to the numbers we see on ESPN U for both the MW and AAC.
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(11-10-2017 04:35 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:22 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 02:01 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  Having CBS Sports Network as our primary rights holder would be the equivalent of having ESPN's lowest watched channel (ESPN News) as the primary rights holder. No one would even know our games were on TV.

I'm hoping ESPN is tier 1

Cbs/NBC/streaming - tier 2

Probably, scenario without NBC. ESPN will still sell games to CBS SN.
Also, doesn't ESPN still have the right to match clause?

No right to match unless NBC put it in their contract (remember, this is a match of an NBC contract).

No way we allow the sub-license thing to be in our next deal. That was a mistake and cost us money.

The AAC will never maximize value by selling it all to one outlet--and given the loss of the realignment fund income coming, a block of Cinci/UConn/UCF will be pushing the conference to maximize value this time around. Best case scenario would be ESPN and NBC splitting the tier one rights with the AAC ending up with 5 games on ABC and 6-10 on NBC. In other words, a game a week on a three letter OTA network---which would be huge.

I look for CBS-Sports to be get a 10-15 game package--mostly stuff left over after ESPN/NBC select. I think they will give CBS-Sports a few decent picks just to keep them interested. CBS-Sports likes to shop in the clearance bin, so I dont see them getting aggressive in their bidding. They will get 15 games for $10 million----possibly less.
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(11-10-2017 10:41 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I think NBC is going to want to make a real play for our content. They didn't think espn would match the exposure part of the deal and lost us in the process.


@ What level does NBC wish to compete in the D 1 College F-ball Mrkt?

AAC surely won't command P5 $$$
But.....
W/ several Top 10 TV markets @ its disposal
AAC could B a bargain 4 NBC to tie N2 their Notre Dame Coverage
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(11-10-2017 06:09 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 10:41 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I think NBC is going to want to make a real play for our content. They didn't think espn would match the exposure part of the deal and lost us in the process.


@ What level does NBC wish to compete in the D 1 College F-ball Mrkt?

AAC surely won't command P5 $$$
But.....
W/ several Top 10 TV markets @ its disposal
AAC could B a bargain 4 NBC to tie N2 their Notre Dame Coverage

Thats where I think we fit in. NBC has some commitments to soccer, NASCAR, and golf---so its not a completely open lansdscape over there. That said, its pretty friggin open. I flipped over to NBC (OTA) a few Saturdays ago in the late afternoon and they were showing a car auction. I pulled up the guide menu and it said the car auction would be filling the next 3 hours of air time. Sometimes I even see infomercials on the NBC local affiliate on Saturdays. Infomercials are a dead give away that whatever the network is carrying isn't much better than dead air. Thats probably the case when live college football is on all the competing networks and all you've got is a car auction. I'll be shocked if NBC isnt a major bidder this time around.

They like good bang for the buck properties. They have MLS soccer and the US rights for Premier League soccer. Our ratings are in that range and our cost will like be in that range or a bit below. A 20-25 game package would be a really good fit for NBC.
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