(11-08-2017 11:00 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:56 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:49 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:46 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  I knew the Rockets were in for a bad night when they had the deer in the headlights look in a couple of the players' eyes in the 2nd quarter. Truly a pathetic performance.
Really haven't been good against credible run games. OL was terrible protecting Woodside and run blocking.

Defense with hands on hips and looking gassed way to early?

The staff DID NOT prepare for OU. It is 101 football when playing an option team that someone hits the QB every play on the sprint option. Someone has the pitchman sn some one has the dive player. The fact that the QB was running down the line all night untouched was an absolute joke. That's was Turner Gill

They did so well against Air Force, I thought they might kinda be prepared for Ohio.

That was a different D.C... he is at Iowa St shutting down the likes of TCU

well, I quit watching the game after OU went up 17-7. DVR'ed it and went back after doing some other things and zipped through the replay. Had to get rid of the temptation to throw the remote through the screen on my TV. After screaming and cussing for 2 1/2 quarters, I was able to laugh in disgust as I sped through the replay. Even turned off the replay when it got to 31-10. Don't even know the final score, don't care.

I hope our defense coaches aren't running camps on tackling fundamentals for area high schools. It would be embarrassing to have those kids correct our coaching staff on proper tackling techniques.

(11-08-2017 11:02 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:00 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:56 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:49 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:46 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  I knew the Rockets were in for a bad night when they had the deer in the headlights look in a couple of the players' eyes in the 2nd quarter. Truly a pathetic performance.
Really haven't been good against credible run games. OL was terrible protecting Woodside and run blocking.

Defense with hands on hips and looking gassed way to early?

The staff DID NOT prepare for OU. It is 101 football when playing an option team that someone hits the QB every play on the sprint option. Someone has the pitchman sn some one has the dive player. The fact that the QB was running down the line all night untouched was an absolute joke. That's was Turner Gill

They did so well against Air Force, I thought they might kinda be prepared for Ohio.

That was a different D.C... he is at Iowa St shutting down the likes of TCU

Yeah. I was thinking Candle might have remembered something about it.

(11-08-2017 11:13 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:02 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:00 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:56 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:49 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Defense with hands on hips and looking gassed way to early?

The staff DID NOT prepare for OU. It is 101 football when playing an option team that someone hits the QB every play on the sprint option. Someone has the pitchman sn some one has the dive player. The fact that the QB was running down the line all night untouched was an absolute joke. That's was Turner Gill

They did so well against Air Force, I thought they might kinda be prepared for Ohio.

That was a different D.C... he is at Iowa St shutting down the likes of TCU

Yeah. I was thinking Candle might have remembered something about it.

Yeah me too.

Toledo played similar to the first 3-4 games of the season. All of that spells doom against a ball control offense like Ohio U. The O-line, which I understand is not the most heralded line in recent UT history and has had injuries this year, was not creating holes for the running backs and keeping defenders out of Woodsides' face. They are not a dominating O-line. Toledo could not tackle around the edges and they turned the ball over. Losing Swanson was also key.
The offense flows much better with him than without, but of course you have to block for him as well. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking. Soft would be my key word to describe Toledo tonight.

(11-08-2017 10:29 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:23 PM)PittRocket Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:21 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:20 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  I've been away- what happened to Swanson?

Ankle issues I think. He was helped off, but was vertical. Seymour may become the starter.

Shakif is the better back anyhow, IMHO. Terry seems like a great kid, but Shakif is our best back. You can't do it all when there are rarely holes. He did well for what he was given today

Oh I wasn't dissing Shakif. Not at all. H20ville knows what I meant. Hey, Swanson is the top RB in the MAC and a senior. Gotta go with him.

(11-08-2017 11:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  Toledo played similar to the first 3-4 games of the season. All of that spells doom against a ball control offense like Ohio U. The O-line, which I understand is not the most heralded line in recent UT history and has had injuries this year, was not creating holes for the running backs and keeping defenders out of Woodsides' face. They are not a dominating O-line. Toledo could not tackle around the edges and they turned the ball over. Losing Swanson was also key.
The offense flows much better with him than without, but of course you have to block for him as well. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking. Soft would be my key word to describe Toledo tonight.

Limp
Btw, I would made sure the guy that twisted my teammate's ankle, didn't do it again.

(11-09-2017 06:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  Toledo played similar to the first 3-4 games of the season. All of that spells doom against a ball control offense like Ohio U. The O-line, which I understand is not the most heralded line in recent UT history and has had injuries this year, was not creating holes for the running backs and keeping defenders out of Woodsides' face. They are not a dominating O-line. Toledo could not tackle around the edges and they turned the ball over. Losing Swanson was also key.
The offense flows much better with him than without, but of course you have to block for him as well. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking. Soft would be my key word to describe Toledo tonight.

Limp
Btw, I would made sure the guy that twisted my teammate's ankle, didn't do it again.

No kidding...we get plenty of 15 yard penalties...at least waste one on a little payback. That was a cheap play and it wasn't even in a pile...how was that not looked at?

(11-09-2017 07:32 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  Toledo played similar to the first 3-4 games of the season. All of that spells doom against a ball control offense like Ohio U. The O-line, which I understand is not the most heralded line in recent UT history and has had injuries this year, was not creating holes for the running backs and keeping defenders out of Woodsides' face. They are not a dominating O-line. Toledo could not tackle around the edges and they turned the ball over. Losing Swanson was also key.
The offense flows much better with him than without, but of course you have to block for him as well. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking. Soft would be my key word to describe Toledo tonight.

Limp
Btw, I would made sure the guy that twisted my teammate's ankle, didn't do it again.

No kidding...we get plenty of 15 yard penalties...at least waste one on a little payback. That was a cheap play and it wasn't even in a pile...how was that not looked at?

I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

(11-09-2017 08:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:32 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  Toledo played similar to the first 3-4 games of the season. All of that spells doom against a ball control offense like Ohio U. The O-line, which I understand is not the most heralded line in recent UT history and has had injuries this year, was not creating holes for the running backs and keeping defenders out of Woodsides' face. They are not a dominating O-line. Toledo could not tackle around the edges and they turned the ball over. Losing Swanson was also key.
The offense flows much better with him than without, but of course you have to block for him as well. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking. Soft would be my key word to describe Toledo tonight.

Limp
Btw, I would made sure the guy that twisted my teammate's ankle, didn't do it again.

No kidding...we get plenty of 15 yard penalties...at least waste one on a little payback. That was a cheap play and it wasn't even in a pile...how was that not looked at?

I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

I agree... It seems like when ever the Rockets experience a little adversity in big game they tend to accumulate. When Thompkins fumbled on the opening drive in the red zone, I just felt... Oh oh the flood gates are going to open. Then I felt we got back in the game and seeemed poised to take control and go up 7 or three before halftime and again an unforced fumble that flippped the game in favor of OU. THose two plays led to the offense losing momentum. Defensively, there was NO game plan in place to stop OU. We decided to just go with our base D and roll with it. THat doesn't work at this level. You have to scheme each week to stop what each team does best. Letting the QB run free alll night tells, me there was no focus on this all week in practice or meeting prep for the game. We flat out got out coached last night.

(11-09-2017 08:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:32 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  Toledo played similar to the first 3-4 games of the season. All of that spells doom against a ball control offense like Ohio U. The O-line, which I understand is not the most heralded line in recent UT history and has had injuries this year, was not creating holes for the running backs and keeping defenders out of Woodsides' face. They are not a dominating O-line. Toledo could not tackle around the edges and they turned the ball over. Losing Swanson was also key.
The offense flows much better with him than without, but of course you have to block for him as well. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking. Soft would be my key word to describe Toledo tonight.

Limp
Btw, I would made sure the guy that twisted my teammate's ankle, didn't do it again.

No kidding...we get plenty of 15 yard penalties...at least waste one on a little payback. That was a cheap play and it wasn't even in a pile...how was that not looked at?

I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

Good point in regard to fire and our style of play. I really like the way OU plays. Their O-line punished our D. They were constantly driving our guys over the pile or into the ground...nothing dirty, but hard nosed to the whistle. Our defense put up zero resistance in the 2nd half. OU hardly threw the ball and ran the same plays over and over, yet we had no answer...thoroughly dominated. I didn't think we were as good as our record indicated, but I didn't think we were going to get completely manhandled either. We were exposed big time...on National TV as well.

(11-09-2017 10:23 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 08:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:32 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:27 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  Toledo played similar to the first 3-4 games of the season. All of that spells doom against a ball control offense like Ohio U. The O-line, which I understand is not the most heralded line in recent UT history and has had injuries this year, was not creating holes for the running backs and keeping defenders out of Woodsides' face. They are not a dominating O-line. Toledo could not tackle around the edges and they turned the ball over. Losing Swanson was also key.
The offense flows much better with him than without, but of course you have to block for him as well. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking. Soft would be my key word to describe Toledo tonight.

Limp
Btw, I would made sure the guy that twisted my teammate's ankle, didn't do it again.

No kidding...we get plenty of 15 yard penalties...at least waste one on a little payback. That was a cheap play and it wasn't even in a pile...how was that not looked at?

I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

Good point in regard to fire and our style of play. I really like the way OU plays. Their O-line punished our D. They were constantly driving our guys over the pile or into the ground...nothing dirty, but hard nosed to the whistle. Our defense put up zero resistance in the 2nd half. OU hardly threw the ball and ran the same plays over and over, yet we had no answer...thoroughly dominated. I didn't think we were as good as our record indicated, but I didn't think we were going to get completely manhandled either. We were exposed big time...on National TV as well.

Just hoping it was one of those days... similar to Ohio State last week. If Iowa played OSu at home this week, OSU probably wins easily. Not sure that is the case with UT/OU... just trying to convince myself of it.

(11-09-2017 11:30 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:23 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 08:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:32 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 06:57 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Limp
Btw, I would made sure the guy that twisted my teammate's ankle, didn't do it again.

No kidding...we get plenty of 15 yard penalties...at least waste one on a little payback. That was a cheap play and it wasn't even in a pile...how was that not looked at?

I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

Good point in regard to fire and our style of play. I really like the way OU plays. Their O-line punished our D. They were constantly driving our guys over the pile or into the ground...nothing dirty, but hard nosed to the whistle. Our defense put up zero resistance in the 2nd half. OU hardly threw the ball and ran the same plays over and over, yet we had no answer...thoroughly dominated. I didn't think we were as good as our record indicated, but I didn't think we were going to get completely manhandled either. We were exposed big time...on National TV as well.

Just hoping it was one of those days... similar to Ohio State last week. If Iowa played OSu at home this week, OSU probably wins easily. Not sure that is the case with UT/OU... just trying to convince myself of it.

Well, we'll know on November 15th. Absolutely no reason for the Rockets to not take this one out on the Falcons from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. If they again come out flat, disinterested & timid (players & coaches)...watch out.

(11-09-2017 11:36 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:30 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:23 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 08:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 07:32 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  No kidding...we get plenty of 15 yard penalties...at least waste one on a little payback. That was a cheap play and it wasn't even in a pile...how was that not looked at?

I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

Good point in regard to fire and our style of play. I really like the way OU plays. Their O-line punished our D. They were constantly driving our guys over the pile or into the ground...nothing dirty, but hard nosed to the whistle. Our defense put up zero resistance in the 2nd half. OU hardly threw the ball and ran the same plays over and over, yet we had no answer...thoroughly dominated. I didn't think we were as good as our record indicated, but I didn't think we were going to get completely manhandled either. We were exposed big time...on National TV as well.

Just hoping it was one of those days... similar to Ohio State last week. If Iowa played OSu at home this week, OSU probably wins easily. Not sure that is the case with UT/OU... just trying to convince myself of it.

Well, we'll know on November 15th. Absolutely no reason for the Rockets to not take this one out on the Falcons from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. If they again come out flat, disinterested & timid (players & coaches)...watch out.

That is for sure.. Listenedd to some of the post game comments and was suprised to hear both Woodside and Aldeyni say they didnt come ready to play.. an the tougher team won. Not usre i understand how that happened. It is November and everything you busted your ass off for the last 10 month is right there in from of you and you come to a huge game no read to play? WTF

(11-09-2017 11:42 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:36 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:30 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:23 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 08:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

Good point in regard to fire and our style of play. I really like the way OU plays. Their O-line punished our D. They were constantly driving our guys over the pile or into the ground...nothing dirty, but hard nosed to the whistle. Our defense put up zero resistance in the 2nd half. OU hardly threw the ball and ran the same plays over and over, yet we had no answer...thoroughly dominated. I didn't think we were as good as our record indicated, but I didn't think we were going to get completely manhandled either. We were exposed big time...on National TV as well.

Just hoping it was one of those days... similar to Ohio State last week. If Iowa played OSu at home this week, OSU probably wins easily. Not sure that is the case with UT/OU... just trying to convince myself of it.

Well, we'll know on November 15th. Absolutely no reason for the Rockets to not take this one out on the Falcons from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. If they again come out flat, disinterested & timid (players & coaches)...watch out.

That is for sure.. Listenedd to some of the post game comments and was suprised to hear both Woodside and Aldeyni say they didnt come ready to play.. an the tougher team won. Not usre i understand how that happened. It is November and everything you busted your ass off for the last 10 month is right there in from of you and you come to a huge game no read to play? WTF

I would say that this being the 4th game in 20 days with 3 on the road probably had a lot to do with it as well. Can't imagine a pro team being able to maintain that mental edge. OU had 8 days between games and it was their 3rd in a row at home and also senior night. We played on six days rest and coming off a big win.

it doesn't kill us, but for sure the next game will determine the season. I don't see Western beating us at home with a little more than 8 days rest in between - but I would have said the same thing 2 years ago after getting the reprieve from NIU losing to Ohio.

The BG game is only a road game based on the venue. The trip there is virtually non-existent and I would assume the team will stay at home on Tuesday night instead of in a hotel. Not like they have to worry about getting there on time for the game and being worn out from a trip.

(11-09-2017 11:42 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:36 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 11:30 AM)BDV27 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 10:23 AM)TampaRocket Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 08:26 AM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  I agree with both of you...not suggesting that a Rocket do anything vicious or classless (and neither are you), but we generally seem "soft" to me, and not just this season. Would have preferred to see a couple Rockets make that Ohio player their "special project" the rest of the night & remind him that we know what he did. Other than a handful of guys, just not much fire on this team. We don't "punish" people play after play, and begin to suck the life & confidence out of them. And yet, we've seen it be done to us. Western did last season; Northern for a couple seasons before that, and now Ohio did, at least last night.

Good point in regard to fire and our style of play. I really like the way OU plays. Their O-line punished our D. They were constantly driving our guys over the pile or into the ground...nothing dirty, but hard nosed to the whistle. Our defense put up zero resistance in the 2nd half. OU hardly threw the ball and ran the same plays over and over, yet we had no answer...thoroughly dominated. I didn't think we were as good as our record indicated, but I didn't think we were going to get completely manhandled either. We were exposed big time...on National TV as well.

Just hoping it was one of those days... similar to Ohio State last week. If Iowa played OSu at home this week, OSU probably wins easily. Not sure that is the case with UT/OU... just trying to convince myself of it.

Well, we'll know on November 15th. Absolutely no reason for the Rockets to not take this one out on the Falcons from the opening kickoff to the final whistle. If they again come out flat, disinterested & timid (players & coaches)...watch out.

That is for sure.. Listenedd to some of the post game comments and was suprised to hear both Woodside and Aldeyni say they didnt come ready to play.. an the tougher team won. Not usre i understand how that happened. It is November and everything you busted your ass off for the last 10 month is right there in from of you and you come to a huge game no read to play? WTF

Maybe Toledo was too focused on BGSU?

(11-09-2017 01:39 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Maybe Toledo was too focused on BGSU?

That would do it.