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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
(11-12-2017 02:40 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Based on the outside shot of Cacock at this point, i'd like to see him stay at the 5 and play at the rim. I I could see Powell on the court with him at the 4, with Fornes at the 3, Gary shooting guard and Talley at point. Powell plays hard, and if his shot is for real, he could be tough at that 4 spot.

When Elmore comes back, i'd put him in for Powell. Sorry, not to pick on anyone but Bryan doesn't look like he has improved at all and I just don't like him in the game. He doesn't do anything another player can't. I'd bring in Kalina for Cacock simply because of his size and he at least can score. And, I don't like Bryan and Cacock on the floor together, since Bryan just clogs up the middle.

IMO, we can be a top 4 team based on just one game. Cacock and Talley alone put us there.

The top 4 is the place you have to be. But the field is looking more interesting. Did you see the beat-down that Delaware out on Richmond in front of a sell-out Richmond crowd? AT one point they were up by 33 points!
11-12-2017 03:58 PM
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
(11-12-2017 03:55 PM)70shawk Wrote:  
(11-12-2017 02:02 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  70's,
He does have a really good touch out there. That left handed shot was awesome and surprising. His defense is the only thing. The 4 blocks is a positive surprise-I remember 2 of them.


Frankly, with a DIII team putting up that many points, I wouldn't single out Kalina for his underwhelming defensive performance. The whole team is going to have to tighten up alot before Tuesday...

Last year vs Pfeiffer we gave up 113 and only won by 13. It was a similar situation to this year where they scored a lot of points and it wasn't surprising that they'd run with us even though they're D2; Wesleyan last year averaged I believe more possessions per a game than we did and so it's not surprising they kept pace with us, especially since it looked like they brought 30 players with them.

What I'm more concerned with is the lack of rebounding against the undersized team. There were far too many second chances for them when our players needed to put a body on a player and just let the ball come to them, rather than make the, although more athletic and impressive, unnecessary jump for the ball.
11-12-2017 05:38 PM
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
(11-12-2017 01:41 PM)70shawk Wrote:  Kalina actually exceeded my expectations.

He may not be a "force", but the man had 9 points, 4 blocks, and 2 rebounds in 16 minutes of play. That's worthy of a mention.

He definitely got more comfortable and confident as the game went on.

As a 7-footer lacking a ton of athleticism (if he had above average athleticism for a big, let's be honest, he wouldn't be here) he's going to be a bit awkward out there at times. But what he brings to the table will be useful. Most importantly, he allows Cacok to play the 4, and we need that kind of flexibility.
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
Also Cacok had a double-double before the 1st half even ended. Dude is a monster. I agree that he and Talley make us a threat, especially the Talley we saw out there last night. As a Senior, this is his team.

And don't forget about Fornes. He was relatively quiet but has a combination of speed and strength that will make him effective in both the 2 and 3 spots, depending on where Taylor is.

We've got a very good squad more than capable of finishing in the top 4.
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
(11-12-2017 08:15 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Also Cacok had a double-double before the 1st half even ended. Dude is a monster. I agree that he and Talley make us a threat, especially the Talley we saw out there last night. As a Senior, this is his team.

And don't forget about Fornes. He was relatively quiet but has a combination of speed and strength that will make him effective in both the 2 and 3 spots, depending on where Taylor is.

We've got a very good squad more than capable of finishing in the top 4.

How the next 5 players(after the ones you just mentioned) grow over the course of the season will define just how far this team can/can't go!
11-13-2017 07:45 AM
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(11-13-2017 07:45 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  How the next 5 players(after the ones you just mentioned) grow over the course of the season will define just how far this team can/can't go!

Agreed.

I really like Jeff Gary. It's been a while since we've had an exciting young pure shooter. The kid went 3-4 from three against UNC at the Jamboree. He only went 1-4 from distance against NC Wesleyan, but I like the confidence he's displaying thus far.

His skillset always has a role on a team, even if it isn't as a starter.
11-13-2017 08:34 AM
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(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

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(11-14-2017 06:27 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

/steps down off of soap box

I agree, but it seems to becoming institutionalized - the Wesleyan game was part of the Savannah Tournament that UNCW is in.

I suspect that getting DI home games isn't really as hard as some make it out to be.

For instance, say three DI teams are frustrated that they can't get DI home games. Solution? Team A plays at Team B, Team B plays at Team C, Team C plays at Team A.

Three schools, three games. Everyone gets a home game - but nobody gets a guaranteed W, which is what I think all this scheduling of DII and DIII teams is really all about.
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RE: Saturday (11/11) Opponent: North Carolina Wesleyan
(11-14-2017 07:30 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 06:27 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

/steps down off of soap box

I agree, but it seems to becoming institutionalized - the Wesleyan game was part of the Savannah Tournament that UNCW is in.

I suspect that getting DI home games isn't really as hard as some make it out to be.

For instance, say three DI teams are frustrated that they can't get DI home games. Solution? Team A plays at Team B, Team B plays at Team C, Team C plays at Team A.

Three schools, three games. Everyone gets a home game - but nobody gets a guaranteed W, which is what I think all this scheduling of DII and DIII teams is really all about.
It's cheaper to pay a d2 and below to come for a 1 off than it is to pay a d1 to come for a 1 off.
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(11-14-2017 08:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 07:30 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(11-14-2017 06:27 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(11-11-2017 05:48 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Also, that same "lower level schools" mentality you're displaying is what causes P5s to stay away from good Mids. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Which one would you prefer? I would prefer a mix, where we can play DII's/DIII's and P5's. Also, McGrath was in a pinch trying to get this year's schedule in place when he was hired last spring.

There is a big difference in scheduling teams that are not division I and teams that are. This comparison is like in football the teams in FBS scheduling FCS (evn though both are technically division I). And in that breath I still agree there is no reason for FBS teams to ever play FCS teams. In basketball, division I teams shouldnt be playing division II or III teams, period. Need a home game, go find a lower division I school, they are out there. There are like 351 division I basketball schools. Find one to play.

/steps down off of soap box

I agree, but it seems to becoming institutionalized - the Wesleyan game was part of the Savannah Tournament that UNCW is in.

I suspect that getting DI home games isn't really as hard as some make it out to be.

For instance, say three DI teams are frustrated that they can't get DI home games. Solution? Team A plays at Team B, Team B plays at Team C, Team C plays at Team A.

Three schools, three games. Everyone gets a home game - but nobody gets a guaranteed W, which is what I think all this scheduling of DII and DIII teams is really all about.
It's cheaper to pay a d2 and below to come for a 1 off than it is to pay a d1 to come for a 1 off.

If three schools were to schedule a round-robin , nobody has to pay anybody - everyone gets a home game.

I get it, it's not easy to get people to come to your place. But my point is that I think it's less difficult than some would have us believe. It's just easier and more fun to play a DIII school. The only problem is that when you do that, you're not fooling anyone - except perhaps yourself.
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