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Elmhurts College vacates wins in 2012 for giving scholarships.
11-08-2017 10:46 AM
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RE: Elmhurts College vacates wins in 2012 for giving scholarships.
He was just starting a new tradition.
11-08-2017 11:10 AM
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RE: Elmhurts College vacates wins in 2012 for giving scholarships.
How were coaches giving scholarships without administration knowing?

Wonder if this is a K-College situation.
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RE: Elmhurts College vacates wins in 2012 for giving scholarships.
This is weird. Here's the article from the NCAA:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...al-control

"Over the course of four academic years, the director of financial aid awarded scholarships partially based on athletics to 26 student-athletes across 10 sports on 42 occasions. Division III rules do not allow schools to provide scholarships to student-athletes or teams in a manner that is distinguishable from the general student body.

Elmhurst established two scholarships in 2013 and 2014 that included athletics participation as a requirement, though the school was aware that athletics could not be included in specific scholarship criteria. The first scholarship was earmarked for student-athletes studying to work in medical fields, and the second was intended to include football student-athletes. Furthermore, in 2014, the NCAA Financial Aid Committee sent a notification to the school that a third scholarship, which considered athletics when awarding scholarships to wrestling students, was not allowed. The school took no action."

The NCAA sent the school a letter and the school did nothing? Weird.
11-08-2017 11:41 AM
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(11-08-2017 11:41 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  This is weird. Here's the article from the NCAA:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/medi...al-control

"Over the course of four academic years, the director of financial aid awarded scholarships partially based on athletics to 26 student-athletes across 10 sports on 42 occasions. Division III rules do not allow schools to provide scholarships to student-athletes or teams in a manner that is distinguishable from the general student body.

Elmhurst established two scholarships in 2013 and 2014 that included athletics participation as a requirement, though the school was aware that athletics could not be included in specific scholarship criteria. The first scholarship was earmarked for student-athletes studying to work in medical fields, and the second was intended to include football student-athletes. Furthermore, in 2014, the NCAA Financial Aid Committee sent a notification to the school that a third scholarship, which considered athletics when awarding scholarships to wrestling students, was not allowed. The school took no action."

The NCAA sent the school a letter and the school did nothing? Weird.

"The financial aid director never received formal rules education, and instead developed her knowledge of Division III rules through her work with the NCAA Financial Aid Committee and through occasional interactions with NCAA staff."

Are we sure Elmhurst is not a government agency? 03-lmfao
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It wasn't just football it covers other sports. That tells me Elmhurst has a Athletic admissions office issue. The question is who knew about it. K College problem was pretty trivial once is was revealed. Funny Alabama , North Carolina among others issued scholarships for kids who never set foot in certain classes assigned FOR them. I want to know how Mount Union a D3 program in Ohio wins numerous national championships recruiting kids who could play at the D1-D2 level? How does Fleck communicate with players at different schools and gets his hands slapped?

NCAA is a grey area mess
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This sounds like a communication glitch, not subterfuge by Tim Lester or anyone else associated with Elmhurst College. They'll be penalized because they broke the rules-however inadvertently. But that's about it.
11-08-2017 12:12 PM
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(11-08-2017 12:12 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  This sounds like a communication glitch, not subterfuge by Tim Lester or anyone else associated with Elmhurst College. They'll be penalized because they broke the rules-however inadvertently. But that's about it.

I would agree Philly. But of course Lester will get blasted on social media before any real facts out.
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RE: Elmhurts College vacates wins in 2012 for giving scholarships.
Oh boy, here comes the excuse train yet again for wonder boy Tim Lester. Clearly, there was an administration issue. But if you don't think the head coach knew they were getting scholarships when they weren't supposed to, I think you all have your head in the sand. A head coach typically knows everything, or at least that should be the expectation, otherwise he shouldn't be a head coach.

If he knew and just kept his mouth shut. He's shady. And if he is shady there. He is shady in other areas.
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(11-08-2017 11:30 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  How were coaches giving scholarships without administration knowing?

Wonder if this is a K-College situation.

05-stirthepot

I don't want to be the first to bring up Fleck...but if this was Fleck it seems like passing the buck onto the administration would not be the narrative.

Now moving on...this does not sound like a big deal. The anti-Lester crowd likely needs to curb their enthusiasm.

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(11-08-2017 01:03 PM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:30 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  How were coaches giving scholarships without administration knowing?

Wonder if this is a K-College situation.

05-stirthepot

I don't want to be the first to bring up Fleck...but if this was Fleck it seems like passing the buck onto the administration would not be the narrative.

Now moving on...this does not sound like a big deal. The anti-Lester crowd likely needs to curb their enthusiasm.

Beat Kent!

Yep, of course, nothing to see here. 01-wingedeagle
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RE: Elmhurts College vacates wins in 2012 for giving scholarships.
(11-08-2017 01:03 PM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:30 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  How were coaches giving scholarships without administration knowing?

Wonder if this is a K-College situation.

05-stirthepot

I don't want to be the first to bring up Fleck...but if this was Fleck it seems like passing the buck onto the administration would not be the narrative.

Now moving on...this does not sound like a big deal. The anti-Lester crowd likely needs to curb their enthusiasm.

Beat Kent!

Oh he was accused of paying players and cheating grades on this board. With no evidence.
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(11-08-2017 12:43 PM)BuickBronco Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:12 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  This sounds like a communication glitch, not subterfuge by Tim Lester or anyone else associated with Elmhurst College. They'll be penalized because they broke the rules-however inadvertently. But that's about it.

I would agree Philly. But of course Lester will get blasted on social media before any real facts out.

These days you have to just hunker down and endure the abuse on social media. The good thing is, the attention span of the public is about 24-36 hours, max. They get over it quickly. 03-lmfao03-lmfao
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Most of the posters fueling this couldn't find Elmhurst on a map
11-09-2017 01:49 PM
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(11-09-2017 01:49 PM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Most of the posters fueling this couldn't find Elmhurst on a map

How are posters fueling this? I had nothing to do with Elmhurst. Tim Lester did. So because we can't find and frankly don't care where Elmhurst is means we shouldn't be concerned with a coach that appears to have been a part of a program that broke rules.
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(11-09-2017 08:54 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  So because we can't find and frankly don't care where Elmhurst is means we shouldn't be concerned with a coach that appears to have been a part of a program that broke rules.

Bingo.
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RE: Elmhurts College vacates wins in 2012 for giving scholarships.
This issue is a concern, but I will hold judgement until more concrete information is available. What's offered seems like conjecture at this point.

No reason to throw Lester under the bus for this - losing to CMU at home with a 14-point 4th quarter lead, unfortunately, is more than enough. I don't care if the dance-team captain was playing QB...its about results, not sniveling excuses...losing to CMU is NOT acceptable.

That said, I like and support Coach Lester and will until a series of negative results (like regularly losing to CMU, not being in contention come November, or proof of cheating) force otherwise.
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Elmhurst NCAA document puts ALL the violation blame on Director of Financial Aid.
The is no mention of Tim Lester or any other Elmhurst coach.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...171027.pdf
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(11-10-2017 09:58 AM)okgc Wrote:  Elmhurst NCAA document puts ALL the violation blame on Director of Financial Aid.
The is no mention of Tim Lester or any other Elmhurst coach.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...171027.pdf

Wow 42 athletics based scholarships over 10 sports. Per the report the financial aid director felt pressure to award these scholarships based on the wishes of the donors. I wouldn't have thought that donors control division 3 athletics as well, but it seems that they do. The entire NCAA needs an overhaul.
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(11-09-2017 08:54 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  
(11-09-2017 01:49 PM)BuickBronco Wrote:  Most of the posters fueling this couldn't find Elmhurst on a map

How are posters fueling this? I had nothing to do with Elmhurst. Tim Lester did. So because we can't find and frankly don't care where Elmhurst is means we shouldn't be concerned with a coach that appears to have been a part of a program that broke rules.

I think your pants were off while stirring this one. Read the NCAA doc

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/...171027.pdf
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