(11-08-2017 04:05 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 02:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Only when to loopholes do not affect them. I mean it sucks they're going to pay taxes but I recall going to college and not being eligible for financial aid or scholarships due to a plethora of issues. I remember seeing some get all that and money back. So I have no issue with it. JDT basically has all the conservative posters on ignore so he's in his snowflake echo chamber.

He could honor his bet and go join Democratic underground... Get the best of both worlds.

That would mean he's a man of honor and doesn't take this place serious. I mean did he honestly think we were on the edge our our seats awaiting to hear his words of brilliance?

The same old Republican plans from the swamp rats have hurt this country in a long time. We need new ideas instead of the same rehash of the old saying about free markets and all. Our forefathers were not founders of free markets. That term was coined in the early 1900s by Wall Street and the Wall Street bankers or the fat cats better known. It is a way for them to make money, and stick it to the people. Both parties are guilty of that. I wish we have everybody replaced in Washington DC who are not corrupt with money including the President.

(11-08-2017 03:50 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:16 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Everyone should pay their fair share. Doesn't matter your financial situation.

What an obtuse and short sighted view on this entire situation. This would cripple the American graduate research system. Brain drain to the nth degree. This isn't some $70k salary 23 year olds are escaping paying taxes on. It's a tuition waiver. The students still get taxed on their financial earnings (avg $30k).

"This would cripple the American graduate research system. Brain drain to the nth degree."

Brain drain? I wonder how many of these "intellectuals" are going after soft subjects like Black Studies, Chicano Studies, Basketmaking, you know, STEM subjects? The World According to Marx studies.

Something like 60% are STEM

Make it 100% STEM, take the savings from the other 40% and give the grads a living wage. Problem solved.

(11-08-2017 05:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:50 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:16 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:36 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Everyone should pay their fair share. Doesn't matter your financial situation.

What an obtuse and short sighted view on this entire situation. This would cripple the American graduate research system. Brain drain to the nth degree. This isn't some $70k salary 23 year olds are escaping paying taxes on. It's a tuition waiver. The students still get taxed on their financial earnings (avg $30k).

"This would cripple the American graduate research system. Brain drain to the nth degree."

Brain drain? I wonder how many of these "intellectuals" are going after soft subjects like Black Studies, Chicano Studies, Basketmaking, you know, STEM subjects? The World According to Marx studies.

Something like 60% are STEM

Make it 100% STEM, take the savings from the other 40% and give the grads a living wage. Problem solved.

So why isn't the GOP proposing this? Do you think actively removing tax write offs for graduate school in a nation with some of the most expensive secondary education in the world is beneficial to long term growth?

(11-08-2017 05:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:50 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:16 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  What an obtuse and short sighted view on this entire situation. This would cripple the American graduate research system. Brain drain to the nth degree. This isn't some $70k salary 23 year olds are escaping paying taxes on. It's a tuition waiver. The students still get taxed on their financial earnings (avg $30k).

"This would cripple the American graduate research system. Brain drain to the nth degree."

Brain drain? I wonder how many of these "intellectuals" are going after soft subjects like Black Studies, Chicano Studies, Basketmaking, you know, STEM subjects? The World According to Marx studies.

Something like 60% are STEM

Make it 100% STEM, take the savings from the other 40% and give the grads a living wage. Problem solved.

So why isn't the GOP proposing this? Do you think actively removing tax write offs for graduate school in a nation with some of the most expensive secondary education in the world is beneficial to long term growth?

The GOP doesnt need to. The universities can do it themselves.

The answer to your second question is: YES. For those grad students, they will more than make it up with the education they receive. They are simply investing in themselves. But again, they wont necessarily have to. The universities can make up the shortfall by upping their stipend to the amount of taxes they would have to pay. Problem solved.

(11-08-2017 05:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The same old Republican plans from the swamp rats have hurt this country in a long time. We need new ideas instead of the same rehash of the old saying about free markets and all. Our forefathers were not founders of free markets. That term was coined in the early 1900s by Wall Street and the Wall Street bankers or the fat cats better known. It is a way for them to make money, and stick it to the people. Both parties are guilty of that. I wish we have everybody replaced in Washington DC who are not corrupt with money including the President.

So start from scratch

(11-08-2017 06:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:50 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:16 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  "This would cripple the American graduate research system. Brain drain to the nth degree."

Brain drain? I wonder how many of these "intellectuals" are going after soft subjects like Black Studies, Chicano Studies, Basketmaking, you know, STEM subjects? The World According to Marx studies.

Something like 60% are STEM

Make it 100% STEM, take the savings from the other 40% and give the grads a living wage. Problem solved.

So why isn't the GOP proposing this? Do you think actively removing tax write offs for graduate school in a nation with some of the most expensive secondary education in the world is beneficial to long term growth?

The GOP doesnt need to. The universities can do it themselves.

The answer to your second question is: YES. For those grad students, they will more than make it up with the education they receive. They are simply investing in themselves. But again, they wont necessarily have to. The universities can make up the shortfall by upping their stipend to the amount of taxes they would have to pay. Problem solved.

Problem solved? You think saddling graduate students with MORE debt is a good idea? Man, let's hope there aren't any truly motivated high school teachers who want to go above and beyond the base requirements of their job, or heaven forbid a nurse who wishes to increase their understanding of public health while not necessarily becoming an it's practitioner. Can't have people educate themselves without having a high paying career waiting.

Our education system is already prohibitively expensive, to a far greater degree than any other nation I'm aware of, and you think increasing the costs to the students will help?

And yet we have people from other countries clamoring to come to college here.

(11-08-2017 06:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 06:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:50 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Something like 60% are STEM

Make it 100% STEM, take the savings from the other 40% and give the grads a living wage. Problem solved.

So why isn't the GOP proposing this? Do you think actively removing tax write offs for graduate school in a nation with some of the most expensive secondary education in the world is beneficial to long term growth?

The GOP doesnt need to. The universities can do it themselves.

The answer to your second question is: YES. For those grad students, they will more than make it up with the education they receive. They are simply investing in themselves. But again, they wont necessarily have to. The universities can make up the shortfall by upping their stipend to the amount of taxes they would have to pay. Problem solved.

Problem solved? You think saddling graduate students with MORE debt is a good idea? Man, let's hope there aren't any truly motivated high school teachers who want to go above and beyond the base requirements of their job, or heaven forbid a nurse who wishes to increase their understanding of public health while not necessarily becoming an it's practitioner. Can't have people educate themselves without having a high paying career waiting.

Our education system is already prohibitively expensive, to a far greater degree than any other nation I'm aware of, and you think increasing the costs to the students will help?

You cant read. So I'll shorten my response:

1. Focus grad student pay on STEM.

2. The unversities are to pay those STEM grad students a livable wage.

3. Grad students pay taxes like everyone else does, but the university bumps their pay up to something above chinese sweat shop levels, and then they can afford to work, go to school, pay their taxes, and eat.

PROBLEM SOLVED

(11-08-2017 06:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  And yet we have people from other countries clamoring to come to college here.

Often for free. We are really nice.

(11-08-2017 06:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Our education system is already prohibitively expensive, to a far greater degree than any other nation I'm aware of, and you think increasing the costs to the students will help?

If only there was a way where the education system could reduce costs. If only...... if only.......... if only.................

(11-08-2017 06:25 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 06:21 PM)gdunn Wrote:  And yet we have people from other countries clamoring to come to college here.

Often for free. We are really nice.

But wait.... How can that be if Grad Students are under paid

Lower tuition. Less taxable income.

Its mostly in one pocket and out the other for many grad students anyway.

(11-08-2017 05:09 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The same old Republican plans from the swamp rats have hurt this country in a long time. We need new ideas instead of the same rehash of the old saying about free markets and all. Our forefathers were not founders of free markets. That term was coined in the early 1900s by Wall Street and the Wall Street bankers or the fat cats better known. It is a way for them to make money, and stick it to the people. Both parties are guilty of that. I wish we have everybody replaced in Washington DC who are not corrupt with money including the President.

Cartoon by Robert Minor in St. Louis Post-Dispatch (1911).
Karl Marx surrounded by an appreciative audience of Wall Street financiers: John D. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan, John D. Ryan of National City Bank, and Morgan partner George W. Perkins. Immediately behind Karl Marx is Teddy Roosevelt, leader of the Progressive Party.

(11-08-2017 06:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 06:06 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:50 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Something like 60% are STEM

Make it 100% STEM, take the savings from the other 40% and give the grads a living wage. Problem solved.

So why isn't the GOP proposing this? Do you think actively removing tax write offs for graduate school in a nation with some of the most expensive secondary education in the world is beneficial to long term growth?

The GOP doesnt need to. The universities can do it themselves.

The answer to your second question is: YES. For those grad students, they will more than make it up with the education they receive. They are simply investing in themselves. But again, they wont necessarily have to. The universities can make up the shortfall by upping their stipend to the amount of taxes they would have to pay. Problem solved.

Problem solved? You think saddling graduate students with MORE debt is a good idea? Man, let's hope there aren't any truly motivated high school teachers who want to go above and beyond the base requirements of their job, or heaven forbid a nurse who wishes to increase their understanding of public health while not necessarily becoming an it's practitioner. Can't have people educate themselves without having a high paying career waiting.

Our education system is already prohibitively expensive, to a far greater degree than any other nation I'm aware of, and you think increasing the costs to the students will help?

Nope. I think removing federal subsidies will force the universities to actually compete for students.

Tuition would fall. Expenses would have to fall.