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the 13th data point was really for the top teams getting the CCG opponents. Ohio St in 2014 for instance got to add a #13 Wisconsin team. That helps a lot to make the schedule a lot better.
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(11-08-2017 08:12 AM)ken d Wrote:  That whole "13th data point" stuff is a bunch of hooey. Would Notre Dame be considered more worthy if they had scheduled a game at Hawaii for a 13th data point?

I agree. I've always said that, e.g., if Wisconsin plays 13 games, with Austin Peay as a week two cupcake and #2 Ohio State in the B1G title game, why is the B1G title game the "13th point" any more than the Austin Peay game is?

Has never made sense.
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Okay here is a fun scenario. UGA beats Bagina in the SEC Championship 35-34 and Clemson beats an undefeated in Miami 28-27. Wisconson and OK lose in their CCG. What does the CFP do? Could the final four be.

1. UGA
2. BAMA
3. Clemson
4. Miami

Talk about some screaming. Again, I don't think it would happen but the CFP goes by the top four teams not Conference champs.
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(11-08-2017 11:58 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Okay here is a fun scenario. UGA beats Bagina in the SEC Championship 35-34 and Clemson beats an undefeated in Miami 28-27. Wisconson and OK lose in their CCG. What does the CFP do? Could the final four be.

1. UGA
2. BAMA
3. Clemson
4. Miami

Talk about some screaming. Again, I don't think it would happen but the CFP goes by the top four teams not Conference champs.

If Oklahoma beats TCU in the regular season then loses to TCU in the XII championship game, if Wisconsin loses any game (especially the B1G championship game), and if the PAC champion has at least 2 losses then its possible. Miami going undefeated would mean Notre Dame has 2 losses as well.

The order would likely be:

1. SEC Champion (undefeated Georgia or Alabama)
2. Clemson
3. SEC Runner-Up (1-loss Georgia or Alabama)
4. Miami
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5. XII Champion
6. Notre Dame
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Any chance Miami is in as a runner up if Bama loses 2x?

UGa 13-0
Clemson 12-1
OU/TCU 12-1
Miami 12-1
Wisconsin 13-0
ND 10-2 (loss to Maimi)
Bama 10-2

I think I'd take Wisconsin at 4 but it would be close.
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(11-08-2017 12:32 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Any chance Miami is in as a runner up if Bama loses 2x?

UGa 13-0
Clemson 12-1
OU/TCU 12-1
Miami 12-1
Wisconsin 13-0
ND 10-2 (loss to Maimi)
Bama 10-2

I think I'd take Wisconsin at 4 but it would be close.

This is a separate thought, but if Wisconsin actually gets shut out of the playoff as an undefeated Big Ten champ, that could be the event that shifts the thinking on an 8-team playoff.
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(11-08-2017 12:41 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:32 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Any chance Miami is in as a runner up if Bama loses 2x?

UGa 13-0
Clemson 12-1
OU/TCU 12-1
Miami 12-1
Wisconsin 13-0
ND 10-2 (loss to Maimi)
Bama 10-2

I think I'd take Wisconsin at 4 but it would be close.

This is a separate thought, but if Wisconsin actually gets shut out of the playoff as an undefeated Big Ten champ, that could be the event that shifts the thinking on an 8-team playoff.

Yeah, its only a matter of time until each league gets screwed. Each time it happens it should increase the chances for 8 at some point.
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(11-08-2017 11:58 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Okay here is a fun scenario. UGA beats Bagina in the SEC Championship 35-34 and Clemson beats an undefeated in Miami 28-27. Wisconson and OK lose in their CCG. What does the CFP do? Could the final four be.

1. UGA
2. BAMA
3. Clemson
4. Miami

Talk about some screaming. Again, I don't think it would happen but the CFP goes by the top four teams not Conference champs.

You're forgetting Washington.

Washington wins the PAC and goes 12-1, they're in over Miami, no doubts.
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(11-08-2017 12:41 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:32 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Any chance Miami is in as a runner up if Bama loses 2x?

UGa 13-0
Clemson 12-1
OU/TCU 12-1
Miami 12-1
Wisconsin 13-0
ND 10-2 (loss to Maimi)
Bama 10-2


I think I'd take Wisconsin at 4 but it would be close.

This is a separate thought, but if Wisconsin actually gets shut out of the playoff as an undefeated Big Ten champ, that could be the event that shifts the thinking on an 8-team playoff.

I don't think that would happen. There's no way the committee will take a 1 loss ACC runner up over an undefeated B1G champion. People forget that if Wisconsin were to run the table, their last wins would be against a ranked Iowa, a probably ranked (after next week) Michigan, a bad Minnesota team, then a B1G championship win over a ranked PSU, MI ST, or tOSU. Add that with an early season victory over a now ranked NW team and their resume would look better 6 weeks from now.

Not saying they WILL, but if they do.....
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(11-08-2017 12:42 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:41 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 12:32 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Any chance Miami is in as a runner up if Bama loses 2x?

UGa 13-0
Clemson 12-1
OU/TCU 12-1
Miami 12-1
Wisconsin 13-0
ND 10-2 (loss to Maimi)
Bama 10-2

I think I'd take Wisconsin at 4 but it would be close.

This is a separate thought, but if Wisconsin actually gets shut out of the playoff as an undefeated Big Ten champ, that could be the event that shifts the thinking on an 8-team playoff.

Yeah, its only a matter of time until each league gets screwed. Each time it happens it should increase the chances for 8 at some point.

Though, "left out" and "screwed" are not one and the same. I don't see a lot of outrage for 2-loss teams being left out when there are 4 or more teams with fewer losses, and the outrage is limited if there are 5 or more teams with fewer than 2 losses given that the playoff only has room for 4.

But the scenario that you're talking about, an undefeated P5 champ being left out while one-loss teams are in -- a scenario that, in truth, is so unlikely that it's not worth much discussion -- would certainly be deemed "screwed" by whomever is left out in that instance. The same would be true if a one-loss P5 champ is left out while a 2-loss team gets in.
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