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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
11-14-2017 01:04 PM
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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
Reading they are to be suspended. We will see how serious UCLA is.
11-15-2017 02:34 PM
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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
They should be expelled. Getting caught shop lifting in the US almost certainly cost you your scholarship in the US, and might get you expelled from most campuses.A suspension is far too light IMO. It's pretending there was some injustice done in China; we all know that is bull crap.

Here we are just a few weeks after the payola scandal broke from the FBI, and all these commentators said now was the time for NCAA Basketball to clean up it's act, to stop coddling players. And now there is this, where we pretend felonious acts are just a minor thing, because they happened somewhere else. Just sweep it under the rug. (The Pac-12 looks as dirty if not dirtier than other conferences with literally half the schools under a cloud). Disgusting hypocrisy.
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11-15-2017 03:54 PM
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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
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What would happen to any other student caught shoplifting? Probably not much. They would continue their enrollment and studies if they could pay tuition.
What are the terms on the scholarships for felonies, misdemeanors or embarrassing the university? Got me on that one. But accepting a scholarship puts you on separate terms for potential loss of scholarship.
11-15-2017 04:22 PM
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(11-15-2017 03:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  They should be expelled. Getting caught shop lifting in the US almost certainly cost you your scholarship in the US, and might get you expelled from most campuses.

I tend to agree, however I cut your thoughts regarding college athletics because there is much more money in Chinese students coming to UCLA to study in one year than college athletics can generate in 15 years.

In data released on Monday, UCLA is the #7 US college/university in international enrollment. China, India, and South Korea are their three biggest enrollment pools

https://www.iie.org/Research-and-Insight...stitutions

UCLA has to keep the pipeline flowing.
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11-15-2017 04:50 PM
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(11-15-2017 04:22 PM)megadrone Wrote:  What would happen to any other student caught shoplifting? Probably not much. They would continue their enrollment and studies if they could pay tuition.

Right. Non-athlete students busted for shoplifting would not be expelled from the university. And if we are still going to pretend that college athletes are just regular ol' students, then the university has to treat them the same way as non-athlete students.

The team has the right to discipline them or even kick them off of the team for not following team rules or not being a good representative of the program or whatever, but the university administration absolutely should not punish them more harshly than what would happen to a non-athlete student.
11-15-2017 05:10 PM
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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
If there wasn't a Ball involved, the punishment would be harsher, but UCLA isn't going to cut off that pipeline.
11-15-2017 05:23 PM
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I don't see how kicking the players off the team and pulling their scholarships hurts the China pipeline. The sons and daughters of the Oligarchs and Communist party officials will continue to come to US colleges regardless, especially on the Pacific coast, where there are large Chinese American populations, and thus stores and goods that cater to Asian tastes. Basketball has almost zero impact.

True, shoplifting might not get you expelled, but it could cost you scholarship as a non-athlete. So do the same here.
11-15-2017 06:52 PM
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(11-15-2017 05:10 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 04:22 PM)megadrone Wrote:  What would happen to any other student caught shoplifting? Probably not much. They would continue their enrollment and studies if they could pay tuition.

Right. Non-athlete students busted for shoplifting would not be expelled from the university. And if we are still going to pretend that college athletes are just regular ol' students, then the university has to treat them the same way as non-athlete students.

The team has the right to discipline them or even kick them off of the team for not following team rules or not being a good representative of the program or whatever, but the university administration absolutely should not punish them more harshly than what would happen to a non-athlete student.

What do you think the University would do to a non-athlete on a PAID University trip, representing the University if that non-athlete did the same?
11-15-2017 07:11 PM
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(11-15-2017 05:23 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  If there wasn't a Ball involved, the punishment would be harsher, but UCLA isn't going to cut off that pipeline.

Meh. Gelo will enter the draft (even though he is not as good as Lonzo). Youngest may never be eligible, and again, nothing special as a player.
11-15-2017 07:12 PM
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