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(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

If someone from China or Canada or Mexico or France steals from a store in Alabama we don't send them back where they came from to let the other country deal with it. We arrest and prosecute using US and Alabama law.

You cannot expect another sovereign nation to give them special treatment because they are visiting Americans anymore than they should expect us to give their citizens a pass.

Still not the worst case. Worst case was the kid from Arkansas who got a free shopping trip at Belk's as part of the Belk Bowl and proceeded to get arrested for shoplifting at Belk's.
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(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

Just curious... How is, essentially 'do the crime, do the time', considered "ridiculous standards"?
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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
(11-08-2017 09:23 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Welcome to the world outside of the US.

It's sad that probably nobody has educated them about other countries laws and government systems....especially Communists and Dictatorships.
There are dozens of cases like this where US citizens do stupid stuff and suffer under the judicial system of countries like China, Singapore, Middle East and other Asian countries. Just because they are basketball players and some from well off families won't make it easier like here in the US.
I guessing they appreciate the US even more now.

Well, to be honest, NO ONE should have to tell these kids that shoplifting is against the law.
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(11-08-2017 01:52 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 11:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Those bathrooms in NC probably don't sound too bad right now

03-lmfao

California cant travel to nc, texas or tennessee, sends basketball players to China

03-lmfao

And they would have been fine in China if they didn't break the law. The GT players are a-okay.
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(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.
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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?
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RE: LiAngelo Ball, 2 other UCLA players arrested in China for shoplifting
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  
Quote:Three UCLA players were arrested on Tuesday in China for shoplifting ahead of the Bruins’ season-opening game against Georgia Tech, according to ESPN’s Jeff Goodman. Those players are freshmen LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill.

Ball is obviously the biggest name as the younger brother of former UCLA star Lonzo Ball and the older brother of UCLA commit LaMelo Ball. Riley and Hill each entered the program more touted than Ball as recruits. Riley is a 6’8 forward ranked No. 45 overall in the class of 2017 by ESPN, while Hill is also a 6’8 forward ranked No. 49 by ESPN.

UCLA and Georgia Tech play in China on Friday.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...orgia-tech

They have embarrassed not only their school but America with their actions. They should be thrown off the team & serve their time

I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

So...not knowing the details of what these guys lifted...they were shoplifting at Louis Vitton. Depending on the amount they (are accused of stealing), they may...even in the US...have exceeded misdemeanor (petty) theft and easily have entered felony (grand theft) territory. Amounts differ due to jurisdiction, but I think it usually is around $1,000 to $1,500 before you leave the "minor" crime arena and have entered the "major" crime territory.

Just sayin'... If they stole some expensive stuff--which us likely at a Louis Vitton store--they may not have committed a "minor crime," even in the eyes of US statues.

I think this is a group of entitled athletes who stole...not as a "stunt" or out of "necessity"...but because they, especially LiAngelo Ball, felt like they were entitled to and figured out that they will not be penalized for it. And let's be honest...they won't. There is no way they are going to be imprisoned in China; detained, maybe, but not imprisoned. And there is ZERO chance that UCLA will dismiss them; probably suspend them for a couple of games and scold them a little bit. And in a year or so, LiAngelo Ball will be a first-round or "lottery" pick and will be paid HUGE $$$ to play in the "Association."

These kids know they are absolutely entitled to do whatever they want and all we will do is bend over and kiss their a**es.

Edit: A quick "google" search turned up this...
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-cha...ncing.html

This says the limits on "petty" theft are actually more commonly between $500 and $1000.
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(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

They are kneeling because we can do better than we are doing. But hey who gives a ****. Egypt is now our benchmark.
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(11-08-2017 11:44 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

They are kneeling because we can do better than we are doing. But hey who gives a ****. Egypt is now our benchmark.

It's not just Egypt.

I have an Iranian friend who has lived in the US for 10 years. Helluva guy. When he goes to visit family in Iran and Germany, people frequently ask him why he chooses to live in a racist country like the USA. He responds by asking them if they would allow their daughter to marry a black man. The response is ALWAYS, "No." (you'd get the same response in every Asian country, too).

The US is the most accepting society in the world, except maybe Canada. Can we do better? Sure. But there's a big difference between trying to do better and saying that the USA, its flag, its anthem, and its traditions are so racist that we can't support it.
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(11-08-2017 11:02 AM)MU88 Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 08:32 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(11-08-2017 06:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I hope you hold yourself to these ridiculous standards.

If they are guilty they HAVE embarrassed their school and the USA. How difficult is it to NOT shop lift while in a foreign country? Doesn't take a "ridiculous standard" to avoid doing that, eh?

It is embarrassing and they should be disciplined. But jail?

They should be sent back the US immediately where they should be charged for the crime. I'm no lawyer and I have little experience with shop lifting. But I don't think we send people to jail for 3 years for minor crimes do we?

Go shop lift from LV here in the states and see what happens to you. You'll be in jail.

But remember, the criminal justice system in the United States is unfair. (Even though the USA is ranked 15-20 in the world of the past few rankings by the World Justice Project) Isn't that why the NFL players are kneeling? Also, in a recent poll, 1/2 of millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist state like China. Hence, isn't the situation where you are held for minor offenses for weeks (and even years in some cases) without charges, the lack of bail, and the potential of years in jail (and death for a gun crime), exactly what some people are calling for in the US?

While there are problems with the US justice system and there is always room for improvement, kind of goes to show you how the system operate in other places around the world. In Singapore, a teenager who pleaded guilty to graffiti, throwing eggs at cars, etc. was sentenced to 4 months in prison, fined more than $2,000 and a flogging. In Zimbabwe, an American woman is facing 20 years in prison for insulting the President on Twitter. In Egypt, a wife was caught bringing her husband his prescription pain pills. He forgot them when he left Britain. Since the drug is banned in Egypt, she is facing the death penalty for trafficking. Why are those NFL players kneeling again?

What is word salad supposed to mean? The players are kneeling because of the lack of accountability of police abuse on minority citizens.

Also you should actually learn about your own justice system since people are held for months and years without a trail. Kalief Browder at 16 was sent to Rikers where he remained for 3 years without any charges being brought against him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/nyreg...icide.html

He then killed himself after he got out.

Quote:"Kalief Browder was sent to Rikers Island when he was 16 years old, accused of stealing a backpack. Though he never stood trial or was found guilty of any crime, he spent three years at the New York City jail complex, nearly two of them in solitary confinement."















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