Quote:EL PASO, Texas (KTSM) - Devin Kelley, the man accused of shooting and killing 26 people inside the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas Sunday had escaped a Santa Teresa mental facility in 2012 and was detained by El Paso Police at the Greyhound Bus Station in Downtown El Paso.

According to a police report filed June 7, 2012, Kelly was reported missing from the Peak Behavioral Center.

Officers reported that an employee of Peak Behavioral advised authorities that Kelley suffered from mental disorders and had planned to escape the facility and buy a bus ticket back to Holloman AFB.

The Peak employee also told police that Kelley had previously been caught sneaking guns onto Holloman AFB and was attempting to carry out death threats to his military chain of command.

The employee of Peak located Kelley at the bus stop and requested assistance from EPPD to transfer him back into the custody of Sunland Park Police in order to take him back to Peak Behavioral.

Kelley's first wife filed divorce paperwork on May 3, 2012, just a month before he escaped from the mental health facility.

http://www.elpasoproud.com/news/church-s.../852920823

So, that’s two federal fouls ups that should have prevented him from getting a gun.

And this is who the alt-left wants to hand the health care system off to.


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(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So, that’s two federal fouls ups that should have prevented him from getting a gun.

And this is who the alt-left wants to hand the health care system off to.


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(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So, that’s two federal fouls ups that should have prevented him from getting a gun.

And this is who the alt-left wants to hand the health care system off to.


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Trump Signed a Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

(11-07-2017 03:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So, that’s two federal fouls ups that should have prevented him from getting a gun.

And this is who the alt-left wants to hand the health care system off to.


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Trump Signed a Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

And this guy rushed out and bought a gun the day after? Is that your point.

(11-07-2017 03:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So, that’s two federal fouls ups that should have prevented him from getting a gun.

And this is who the alt-left wants to hand the health care system off to.


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Trump Signed a Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

Fake news, he revoked an obama-era determination that someone with durable POA (could be as little as a kid helping a parent manage their finances) was mentally ill.

It was a bullsh*t determination, an attempted gun grab without due process, and the ACLU sided with President Trump.

Thanks oblunder!

(11-07-2017 03:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So, that’s two federal fouls ups that should have prevented him from getting a gun.

And this is who the alt-left wants to hand the health care system off to.


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Trump Signed a Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

You mean the bill passed by Congress that rolled back an Obama executive order that stripped social security recipients of their Constitutional rights without due process simply because they couldn't balance their checkbook?


Why are you against people having due process?



Oh and this is still the law of the land.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130124...arms#_ftn2

Quote:Since 1968, federal law has barred the possession or acquisition of firearms by anyone who “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”[2]

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has issued regulations that define an “adjudication” as a “determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person is, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or (2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.” This includes a finding of insanity or incompetency in a criminal case.[3]

“Committed to a mental institution” is defined as a “formal commitment of a person to a mental institution by a court, board, or other lawful authority.” The definition makes clear that “[t]he term does not include a person in a mental institution for observation or a voluntary admission.” The Supreme Court has held that an involuntary commitment is a serious deprivation of liberty that requires due process of law under the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[4]

A person cannot be federally disqualified from owning a gun based simply on a psychiatrist’s diagnosis, a doctor’s referral, or the opinion of a law enforcement officer, let alone based on getting a drug prescription or seeking mental health treatment. Doing so would actually discourage troubled people from getting the help they need.

So it seems that Congress acted correctly in passing a bill removing an Executive Order that violated a citizen's right to due process prior to being deprived a Constitutional right, and the President was right to sign it into law.



Besides, the overturned Executive Order wouldn't have applied in this case because Kelley wasn't receiving Social Security benefits and wouldn't have been subject to it. But don't let anything like facts get in the way of this leftist talking point.

(11-07-2017 08:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:45 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  So, that’s two federal fouls ups that should have prevented him from getting a gun.

And this is who the alt-left wants to hand the health care system off to.


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Trump Signed a Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

You mean the bill passed by Congress that rolled back an Obama executive order that stripped social security recipients of their Constitutional rights without due process simply because they couldn't balance their checkbook?


Why are you against people having due process?



Oh and this is still the law of the land.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20130124...arms#_ftn2

Quote:Since 1968, federal law has barred the possession or acquisition of firearms by anyone who “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”[2]

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has issued regulations that define an “adjudication” as a “determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person is, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) Is a danger to himself or to others; or (2) Lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs.” This includes a finding of insanity or incompetency in a criminal case.[3]

“Committed to a mental institution” is defined as a “formal commitment of a person to a mental institution by a court, board, or other lawful authority.” The definition makes clear that “[t]he term does not include a person in a mental institution for observation or a voluntary admission.” The Supreme Court has held that an involuntary commitment is a serious deprivation of liberty that requires due process of law under the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[4]

A person cannot be federally disqualified from owning a gun based simply on a psychiatrist’s diagnosis, a doctor’s referral, or the opinion of a law enforcement officer, let alone based on getting a drug prescription or seeking mental health treatment. Doing so would actually discourage troubled people from getting the help they need.

So it seems that Congress acted correctly in passing a bill removing an Executive Order that violated a citizen's right to due process prior to being deprived a Constitutional right, and the President was right to sign it into law.



Besides, the overturned Executive Order wouldn't have applied in this case because Kelley wasn't receiving Social Security benefits and wouldn't have been subject to it. But don't let anything like facts get in the way of this leftist talking point.

And he started buying the guns, one a year, 4 years ago.

Multiple failures, starting in ‘13... Hmmmm.

so it was illegal for him to have a gun.

maybe we need to tell crazy people they really really really cant have a gun.