(11-08-2017 09:59 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Television has a lot of control over the bowls. They want ratings. The bowls want better attendance.

So, keep winning and selling out stadiums and better bowls will follow.

Memphis is having the best four year run in school history. It is absolutely embarrassing that the LB isn't sold out every game.

In the current configuration how are better bowls going to come?

The AAC is what it is. The bowl tie-ins that the league has will probably stay more or less the same, give or take a little.

So, other than getting into that ONE NY6 slot allocated for all of the G5 conferences how is it going to get better unless the G5 get together and make something better for themselves. The P5 isn't going to give anything up unless the HAVE to.

What could the G5 do to bring the P5 to the table?

(11-08-2017 04:48 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:59 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Television has a lot of control over the bowls. They want ratings. The bowls want better attendance.

So, keep winning and selling out stadiums and better bowls will follow.

Memphis is having the best four year run in school history. It is absolutely embarrassing that the LB isn't sold out every game.

In the current configuration how are better bowls going to come?

The AAC is what it is. The bowl tie-ins that the league has will probably stay more or less the same, give or take a little.

So, other than getting into that ONE NY6 slot allocated for all of the G5 conferences how is it going to get better unless the G5 get together and make something better for themselves. The P5 isn't going to give anything up unless the HAVE to.

What could the G5 do to bring the P5 to the table?

I think someone pointed out, and they were correct, the league didn't have a great perception in 2014 when the current bowl tie ins were agreed to on a six year deal. Now there's a little bit better perception of the league. So that could help, or the bowls could say they'd still prefer Northwestern and Kansas State over Houston and Memphis.

Since most of the pre New Years Bowls are owned by ESPN, good luck improving that list much. Plus, I think we are locked into our lineup until 2021 or so

Not so long ago the only bowl tie in we had was the Liberty Bowl Alliance and we never earned a berth.

(11-08-2017 06:44 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Not so long ago the only bowl tie in we had was the Liberty Bowl Alliance and we never earned a berth.

Yep we were the ONLY member of that alliance that didn't ever qualify.

The only one.

(11-08-2017 04:48 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:59 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Television has a lot of control over the bowls. They want ratings. The bowls want better attendance.

So, keep winning and selling out stadiums and better bowls will follow.

Memphis is having the best four year run in school history. It is absolutely embarrassing that the LB isn't sold out every game.

In the current configuration how are better bowls going to come?

The AAC is what it is. The bowl tie-ins that the league has will probably stay more or less the same, give or take a little.

So, other than getting into that ONE NY6 slot allocated for all of the G5 conferences how is it going to get better unless the G5 get together and make something better for themselves. The P5 isn't going to give anything up unless the HAVE to.

What could the G5 do to bring the P5 to the table?

To bring them to the bowl table, you make your own bowl - with a big payout.

The American Bowl.

The schools in our conference are mostly in cities with major corporate presence. No one of them would stand up a bowl game. But, if you could get one major corporate sponsor from each team, you could gather up enough money to make a major bowl payout. Regional marketing for the bowl game carries the local sponsor as the "presented by" partner.

Then you have to differentiate yourself and buy a crowd. To do that, you host some type of nationwide, tv-friendly competition. High school bands, university bands, cheerleading, something - ANYTHING - that you can sell as an American tradition. Personally, I like the idea of a national invitational high school band competition. But, the first ever university level marching band competition has tremendous long-term potential.

So the days leading up the bowl game draw in both football fans and fans of the other activities. You can get several hours of ESPN programming out of this, and with UCONN next door, we can get that.

This could be done. With the power of the entire conference behind it, we could put on a great event. It could be designed to be mobile so it could move from host city to host city. In the beginning local conference cities would host, but after it got going, you could bid it out. All these cities looking to host bowls would much rather hire an experienced organization than try to do it all themselves.

This could be done.

(11-08-2017 09:08 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 04:48 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:59 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Television has a lot of control over the bowls. They want ratings. The bowls want better attendance.

So, keep winning and selling out stadiums and better bowls will follow.

Memphis is having the best four year run in school history. It is absolutely embarrassing that the LB isn't sold out every game.

In the current configuration how are better bowls going to come?

The AAC is what it is. The bowl tie-ins that the league has will probably stay more or less the same, give or take a little.

So, other than getting into that ONE NY6 slot allocated for all of the G5 conferences how is it going to get better unless the G5 get together and make something better for themselves. The P5 isn't going to give anything up unless the HAVE to.

What could the G5 do to bring the P5 to the table?

To bring them to the bowl table, you make your own bowl - with a big payout.

The American Bowl.

We did that. It's the Frisco Bowl. Used to be the Miami Beach Bowl. Created just for the AAC Champ as I recall. Did something change with that?

(11-08-2017 06:07 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Since most of the pre New Years Bowls are owned by ESPN, good luck improving that list much. Plus, I think we are locked into our lineup until 2021 or so

2019.

(11-08-2017 09:00 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 06:44 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Not so long ago the only bowl tie in we had was the Liberty Bowl Alliance and we never earned a berth.

Yep we were the ONLY member of that alliance that didn't ever qualify.

The only one.

Yeah because we had idiots in charge of athletics pumping our resources towards vacated wins in a secondary sport.

(11-09-2017 10:08 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:00 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 06:44 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Not so long ago the only bowl tie in we had was the Liberty Bowl Alliance and we never earned a berth.

Yep we were the ONLY member of that alliance that didn't ever qualify.

The only one.

Yeah because we had idiots in charge of athletics pumping our resources towards vacated wins in a secondary sport.

It's possible and it's time to be good at both.

A little refresher for the youngsters who might not remember the old Liberty Bowl matchups.

1959-1988 At large vs. At large
1989-1992 At large vs. Winner of Commander in Chief Trophy
1993 At large vs. At large
1994-1995 At large vs. Winner of Liberty Bowl Alliance
1996-1997 C-USA vs. Big East
1998-2005 C-USA vs. Mountain West
2006-2013 C-USA vs. SEC
2014-2019 SEC vs. Big 12

(11-09-2017 02:10 PM)3601 Wrote:  A little refresher for the youngsters who might not remember the old Liberty Bowl matchups.

1959-1988 At large vs. At large
1989-1992 At large vs. Winner of Commander in Chief Trophy
1993 At large vs. At large
1994-1995 At large vs. Winner of Liberty Bowl Alliance
1996-1997 C-USA vs. Big East
1998-2005 C-USA vs. Mountain West
2006-2013 C-USA vs. SEC
2014-2019 SEC vs. Big 12

Hasn't drawn a good Power 5 Team since...well it's been a while. The SEC sent several 7-5 or 6-6 teams. 2004 was the last great Liberty Bowl game.

Some of you say that the ship has sailed on the P5..
Creating a G5 only schedule would eventually work to hurt the P5.

How that works...is in that scenario...the P5 only plays each other.
With no cupcakes to beat up on..they must play each other.
A team that is considered a college football power now...could wind up in the dumpster.
The big teams would get bigger...but schools like Northwestern, Kansas State, Nebraska, TCU would get left in the dust..and become the new Vanderbilts of their conferences.
So then the big schools start wondering aloud why they have to share the $$$ with the bottom feeders...and vote to kick them out....maybe.

(11-09-2017 03:03 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Some of you say that the ship has sailed on the P5..
Creating a G5 only schedule would eventually work to hurt the P5.

How that works...is in that scenario...the P5 only plays each other.
With no cupcakes to beat up on..they must play each other.
A team that is considered a college football power now...could wind up in the dumpster.
The big teams would get bigger...but schools like Northwestern, Kansas State, Nebraska, TCU would get left in the dust..and become the new Vanderbilts of their conferences.
So then the big schools start wondering aloud why they have to share the $$$ with the bottom feeders...and vote to kick them out....maybe.

Ship hasn't sailed if five years from now these Commissioners say let's all expand to 16. Realistically, if the power 5 all voted to expand to sixteen does Memphis get in? What about to 14? SEC and B1G already have 14 and Delaney has always craved Notre Dame.

(11-09-2017 03:08 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 03:03 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Some of you say that the ship has sailed on the P5..
Creating a G5 only schedule would eventually work to hurt the P5.

How that works...is in that scenario...the P5 only plays each other.
With no cupcakes to beat up on..they must play each other.
A team that is considered a college football power now...could wind up in the dumpster.
The big teams would get bigger...but schools like Northwestern, Kansas State, Nebraska, TCU would get left in the dust..and become the new Vanderbilts of their conferences.
So then the big schools start wondering aloud why they have to share the $$$ with the bottom feeders...and vote to kick them out....maybe.

Ship hasn't sailed if five years from now these Commissioners say let's all expand to 16. Realistically, if the power 5 all voted to expand to sixteen does Memphis get in? What about to 14? SEC and B1G already have 14 and Delaney has always craved Notre Dame.

It's in Notre Dame's contract with the ACC that if Notre Dame joins any conference between now and the end of the ACC TV contract, so approximately 2036, Notre Dame has to join the ACC.

Notre Dame won't do anything until at least 2025 when their deal with NBC expires.