(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  OCS gives the university control of their stadium venue...........pleased the city is doing something beneficial for the city with the fairgrounds. Coliseum needs to be demolished if not renovated & used.

It would also give the school the responsibility for construction, maintenance and operational cost which it does not have to pay currently. The OCS crowd continues to point toward revenues generated but fail to include the cost of generating that revenue. City actually loses money each year operating the stadium, that is WITH three paying tenants. But that loss is offset by taxes generated in the city by the games being played. The school would have all the operating cost but would get ZERO benefit from tax dollars generated.

Yes, all the operating costs but also all of the revenue associated with each event (ticket sales, concessions, parking, bookstore/souvenirs, etc) with no restrictions on event types, concerts etc such as the city has. Also a substantial donations increase that comes with alumni & friends actually coming back to the campus on a regular basis should be expected. But let's not get into another OCS discussion - just pointing out that the Fairgrounds development - a city issue, would not be an issue with an OCS that would definitely benefit our university.

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)3601 Wrote:  These have been in use only a few years and cannot be used when it rains.

False. See the last game as an example.

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)3601 Wrote:  They are also building a parking garage. I'm not overly concerned bout game day parking.

Says the guy with a TL spot that he tries to rent out for half the games.

(11-07-2017 01:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:20 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)3601 Wrote:  Keep in mind that the 2,000 spots being "taken away" are the non-paved spots where Libertyland used to be. These have been in use only a few years and cannot be used when it rains. They are also building a parking garage. I'm not overly concerned bout game day parking.

Yep. Should be fun trying to get out of a 500 space parking garage after a game. Not for me.

Shoot, just stay until the end of the game and you'll be the only car in the garage.

Ain't THAT the truth...

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:13 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:33 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:26 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Can't even get enough money for an IPF and people out here taking about building a stadium.

I agree. That's stupid. We should be happy with the Liberty Bowl.

But... If they want people to show up, they need a convenient and safe place to park. Not everyone is willing to walk from Tobey, and that pretty much fills up at 40K now.

I can see how this does anything but destroy attendance.

??

How far will you walk? If it's difficult for people to attend games, and tailgate. They won't go.

Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:13 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:33 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  I agree. That's stupid. We should be happy with the Liberty Bowl.

But... If they want people to show up, they need a convenient and safe place to park. Not everyone is willing to walk from Tobey, and that pretty much fills up at 40K now.

I can see how this does anything but destroy attendance.

??

How far will you walk? If it's difficult for people to attend games, and tailgate. They won't go.

Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

You left out the dodging bullets part.....

(11-07-2017 02:24 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:13 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ??

How far will you walk? If it's difficult for people to attend games, and tailgate. They won't go.

Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

You left out the dodging bullets part.....

Come on, man... There ain't no bullets flying on that part of Union.

(11-07-2017 02:10 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)3601 Wrote:  These have been in use only a few years and cannot be used when it rains.

False. See the last game as an example.

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)3601 Wrote:  They are also building a parking garage. I'm not overly concerned bout game day parking.

Says the guy with a TL spot that he tries to rent out for half the games.

I have 2 Tiger Lane spots. I sometimes attempt to sell both if I'm going to be out of town or just one if I'm going to be in town, but don't need both.

We are having one of our best seasons in history and I haven't gotten a single bite on any of my Tiger Lane spots when I attempted to sell for a couple of games this year.

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:13 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:33 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  I agree. That's stupid. We should be happy with the Liberty Bowl.

But... If they want people to show up, they need a convenient and safe place to park. Not everyone is willing to walk from Tobey, and that pretty much fills up at 40K now.

I can see how this does anything but destroy attendance.

??

How far will you walk? If it's difficult for people to attend games, and tailgate. They won't go.

Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

Wow.

(11-07-2017 02:32 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:10 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)3601 Wrote:  These have been in use only a few years and cannot be used when it rains.

False. See the last game as an example.

(11-07-2017 01:02 PM)3601 Wrote:  They are also building a parking garage. I'm not overly concerned bout game day parking.

Says the guy with a TL spot that he tries to rent out for half the games.

I have 2 Tiger Lane spots. I sometimes attempt to sell both if I'm going to be out of town or just one if I'm going to be in town, but don't need both.

We are having one of our best seasons in history and I haven't gotten a single bite on any of my Tiger Lane spots when I attempted to sell for a couple of games this year.

How much for a spot at the SMU game?

(11-07-2017 02:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:24 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:13 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  How far will you walk? If it's difficult for people to attend games, and tailgate. They won't go.

Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

You left out the dodging bullets part.....

Come on, man... There ain't no bullets flying on that part of Union.

Sorry, i was thinking about the walk down 4th if you park south of the stadium.

Personally, I always park in the garage next to the 3rd base line....it's close, affordable, and has always seemed safe.

(11-07-2017 02:38 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:24 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

You left out the dodging bullets part.....

Come on, man... There ain't no bullets flying on that part of Union.

Sorry, i was thinking about the walk down 4th if you park south of the stadium.

Personally, I always park in the garage next to the 3rd base line....it's close, affordable, and has always seemed safe.

Father-in-law always takes the cheap route & parked on the street several blocks away the 1st season the baseball stadium was open, got mugged on the way back to his car after the game. Of course, being the cheap guy he was, he had little to give & the mugger took his pants with the little cash he had. But we've both been back numerous times & have found a better parking situation (don't be giving up the 3rd base garage...).

(11-07-2017 02:38 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:24 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

You left out the dodging bullets part.....

Come on, man... There ain't no bullets flying on that part of Union.

Sorry, i was thinking about the walk down 4th if you park south of the stadium.

Personally, I always park in the garage next to the 3rd base line....it's close, affordable, and has always seemed safe.

I'm a cheap bastard. I always look for free parallel parking. I would probably park in The Edge District, like near Kudzu's.

(11-07-2017 10:55 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  a $10 million renovation of the Pipkin Building, are they going to paint it with gold paint, you could build 30 buildings for 10 million dollars

when is building improvements at Melrose high school part of the fairgrounds

When your sold-out Mayor and his developers (Tom Marshall) want to throw a bone to the inner city so they will not raise heck that this youth sports complex will not be accessible to the children in this city who need community activities so badly. The same reason, partly, redevelopment of Lamar-Airways is part of the mix. Melrose is going to be repurposed as a museum

(11-07-2017 01:18 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:23 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  also 1500 spots lost from the retail component on the Central side. no mention of how retail being open on game days would also affect parking. roughly 45% of current stadium parking spaces would be removed if this plan goes forward

The main bit of information that need to be brought to light with this plan is which friend of the administration is getting rich building this fiasco. All you need to do is drive along Central and East Parkway to know that this project would be doomed to fail from the start.

Someone is pocketing money from this deal and the question is who is getting a kick back from it.

What needs to be done is to go to the east side of the MSC between it and the LBS after the Libertybowl is over and build a three story parking garage on that lot. You will lose a few spots for maybe a year and hopefully it can be completed before the Liberty bowl is played the next year and you would end up with 600-1000 extra parking spots.

The reason they have chosen to mothball the MSC is that the inspections they had this year showed it was in far better shape than thought and would cost far less to upgrade that originally projected. So they are going to mothball it until it deteriorates tot he point it cannot be brought back.

Desoto county is bringing in money hand over fist taking shows that do not want to play FedEx Forum or who cannot afford to play there. The WWE developmental promotion NXT is coming to Memphis and will be at a converted bakery. This is just one of many shows that would not be a good fit for the Forum but would draw good crowds at a reopened MSC.

Your City last night claimed the Landers Center is losing $4,000,000 a year, and therefore, the Coliseum is not viable. Au contraire, it is solid as a rock, has history, potential for Tiger functions, graduations, et cet. It should be the centerpiece of this development, with creativity and City leadership. Its renovation is way overinflated by the City. The developers are drooling over the last chance at TDZ funds and ALL THAT PURTY UNDEVELOPED MIDTOWN LAND. Y'all better wake up and help the Coliseum groups stop this insanity of retail when Amazon is the way of the shopping future, Youth Sports where parents come to town, eat McDonalds and leave, and taxes are siphoned off from the high-performing areas like Overton Square and Cooper Young. There is tremendous support for the Coliseum and community activities at the Fairgrounds, and not one hand was raised in the room last night when someone asked to see the supporters of the City's plan. Follow the money

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:13 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:33 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  I agree. That's stupid. We should be happy with the Liberty Bowl.

But... If they want people to show up, they need a convenient and safe place to park. Not everyone is willing to walk from Tobey, and that pretty much fills up at 40K now.

I can see how this does anything but destroy attendance.

??

How far will you walk? If it's difficult for people to attend games, and tailgate. They won't go.

Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

on street parking is free at the Liberty Bowl. lots of us park in Cooper Young every game

Welp, maybe there should be carpool parking lots.

It's quite interesting that the City can contribute to a parking garage at the Fairgrounds but would rather have a protracted Overton Park Greensward fight than contribute to a parking garage there. Don't be fooled. The City is run by developers and the plans are already made

Solution. Just tarp off 2000 seats.

How often do we need them all anyway.......

See how easy that was?

(11-07-2017 02:21 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:49 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:13 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:33 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  I agree. That's stupid. We should be happy with the Liberty Bowl.

But... If they want people to show up, they need a convenient and safe place to park. Not everyone is willing to walk from Tobey, and that pretty much fills up at 40K now.

I can see how this does anything but destroy attendance.

??

How far will you walk? If it's difficult for people to attend games, and tailgate. They won't go.

Memphis in general has held the belief that they will not take part in anything if it is too much of a bother. Look at the Red Birds. One of the best seasons in history and went to AAA title game and attendance was among the lowest in the PCL. Because it was too much of a bother to go down town to watch a baseball game. The mindset of the city as a whole is we want it as long as we do not have to make any kind of extra effort to get it.

Personally, I would love to take in a few games a year. And if they had built the stadium at Shelby Farms, we probably would. It seems a daunting task to find parking, pay for parking, and then walking 3 or four blocks just to get to the stadium.

Are you ******* serious?

I hear a lot of Memphians complaining about the city should do this or don't do that - but the city is attempting to do something, when no one else has. That generally isn't how things get done. When the Braves moves out of Turner Field & some city leaders were ringing their hands over what would they could do with an empty stadium & lots of parking, a development group came in and proposed a mixed use development that yielded GA St their own OCS (with buy-in), as well as a very nice mixed use commercial/residential center that benefits both the adjacent neighborhoods & Atlantans in general - and they brought their own financing. That's what it will take in Memphis to get things moving. Not the city taking the lead but commercial interests finding a viable development that benefits Memphis & makes use of a large virtually vacant & unused real estate plot in the center of Memphis. Unfortunately the city has conditioned developers to expect the city to line their (developers) pockets & guarantee profits (thru tax abatement) & as such developers bring all sorts of fools gold "opportunities" & hope the city will take all the risk. And then, rightfully, city residents want to have a say in how their tax dollars are being spent.