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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
(11-07-2017 10:43 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 10:36 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 06:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The top team in Michigan so far is WMU, as the Wolverines and Spartans are still struggling.

Sweet music to my ears! Hockey is a very different sport. ND would be better off in the NCHC. My dream would be to get the three MAC schools (WMU, BGSU, Miami) in the NCHC and add ND.

My take away is that the Big Ten Hockey Conference has been hurt by breaking up previous rivalries that fans valued. One approach for the B1G might be to expand from 7 to 8 or 9 schools, adding North Dakota and possibly one more traditional rival valued by the historic powerhouse hockey schools.

I know Miami would likely jump at it given how relevant the Big Ten teams are in our footprint and based on great rivalries we had in the CCHA. At the end of the day, Michigan is just a much bigger name than Minnesota-Duluth even if the latter is vastly better than the other. Won't happen though even if they do decide to expand (an unlikely proposition imo), OSU doesn't want Miami fans taking over their arena like we used to during home-and-homes (yeah, seriously).
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
id like to see the B10 and Hockey East create some kind of challenge. Years ago there was an arrangement between HE and the WCHA. If I remember correctly it was several cross over series
11-07-2017 09:41 PM
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
(11-07-2017 07:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 10:43 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 10:36 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 06:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The top team in Michigan so far is WMU, as the Wolverines and Spartans are still struggling.

Sweet music to my ears! Hockey is a very different sport. ND would be better off in the NCHC. My dream would be to get the three MAC schools (WMU, BGSU, Miami) in the NCHC and add ND.

My take away is that the Big Ten Hockey Conference has been hurt by breaking up previous rivalries that fans valued. One approach for the B1G might be to expand from 7 to 8 or 9 schools, adding North Dakota and possibly one more traditional rival valued by the historic powerhouse hockey schools.

I know Miami would likely jump at it given how relevant the Big Ten teams are in our footprint and based on great rivalries we had in the CCHA. At the end of the day, Michigan is just a much bigger name than Minnesota-Duluth even if the latter is vastly better than the other. Won't happen though even if they do decide to expand (an unlikely proposition imo), OSU doesn't want Miami fans taking over their arena like we used to during home-and-homes (yeah, seriously).

Ohio State definitely doesn't do that well in the attendance department for hockey, and looks even worse because they play in a 17,000 seat facility. I'm not overly familiar with OSU hockey but I wonder if the Blue Jackets really hurt their attendance or if it has always been relatively low.
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
(11-07-2017 09:55 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 07:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 10:43 AM)orangefan Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 10:36 AM)WesternSkillet Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 06:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  The top team in Michigan so far is WMU, as the Wolverines and Spartans are still struggling.

Sweet music to my ears! Hockey is a very different sport. ND would be better off in the NCHC. My dream would be to get the three MAC schools (WMU, BGSU, Miami) in the NCHC and add ND.

My take away is that the Big Ten Hockey Conference has been hurt by breaking up previous rivalries that fans valued. One approach for the B1G might be to expand from 7 to 8 or 9 schools, adding North Dakota and possibly one more traditional rival valued by the historic powerhouse hockey schools.

I know Miami would likely jump at it given how relevant the Big Ten teams are in our footprint and based on great rivalries we had in the CCHA. At the end of the day, Michigan is just a much bigger name than Minnesota-Duluth even if the latter is vastly better than the other. Won't happen though even if they do decide to expand (an unlikely proposition imo), OSU doesn't want Miami fans taking over their arena like we used to during home-and-homes (yeah, seriously).

Ohio State definitely doesn't do that well in the attendance department for hockey, and looks even worse because they play in a 17,000 seat facility. I'm not overly familiar with OSU hockey but I wonder if the Blue Jackets really hurt their attendance or if it has always been relatively low.

It’s always low attendance for OSU, unless they are playing Michigan. That’s why OSU is trying to build a new hockey arena that is for hockey only. Something that seats about 6-7000 people.
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
(11-07-2017 09:41 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  id like to see the B10 and Hockey East create some kind of challenge. Years ago there was an arrangement between HE and the WCHA. If I remember correctly it was several cross over series

HE and the WCHA had a number of crossover series that counted for both league titles from 1984-88. That was when both leagues had eight teams and when they grew (UMass Merrimack, SCSU UAA), the interlocking schedules went out the window.
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
Spartan here. I watched Michigan State hockey on campus when we were in the CCHA and loved it. I totally get the regional feel that was the CCHA. I also see from a BIG TEN business perspective that it makes more sense to integrate all of your teams into one conference. I do think it would be nice if some of the old rivals were integrated as affiliates.
11-08-2017 10:05 AM
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
(11-07-2017 01:01 PM)Shox Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 06:01 AM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/02/sports...rence.html

While the Big Ten is better rated this year than last years, the top three rated teams have got to hurt its ego as they are NCHC teams:

1. St Cloud St
2. N Dakota
3. Denver

In the first four years of Big Ten hockey, no national champs, compared to:

1. NCHC 2
2. Hockey East 1
2. ECAC 1

Inter conference winning % so far this season:

1. NCHC .624
2 HE .564
3. B1G .543
4. ECAC .515
5. WCHA .392
6. AHA .260

The B1G has scheduled heavily against Atlantic Hockey so far (while the NCHC hasn't played the AHA yet), so their schedule has been relatively weak to boot.

The top team in Michigan so far is WMU, as the Wolverines and Spartans are still struggling.

Who cares, the B1G doesn't. The only question that matters is if those schools are making more money than they were in the WCHA/CCHA. If the answer is yes then all is according to plan.

Actually, the money is chump change either way. The more important thing is exposure. Are they getting more positive attention for the school in the Big 10?

Remember, the primary function of a college's athletic programs is to be a branch of the marketing department. Reach as many potential students as possible and enhance the school's reputation.
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
Why can't the Big Ten teams keep playing games against old foes from their pre-Big Ten days?
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(11-08-2017 07:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Why can't the Big Ten teams keep playing games against old foes from their pre-Big Ten days?

Excpet for tournaments, western teams normally have two game series. Most of the Big Ten wont play at non Big Ten schools.

Minnesota cancelled the DQ Cup against the four Minny teams when Notre Dame was added to the B1G hockey.

B1G hockey now has 24 game conference schedule rather than 20 games.
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RE: Big Ten hockey still struggling, even with Notre Dame
Good.

Also, to those that complain about the 'no regional rivalries anymore', last season WMU played Ferris St, Michigan St, Bowling Green St, and Michigan Tech. Add Miami of Ohio in Conference play, and that's pretty much half the CCHA right there. We've played Ferris St every year since joining the CCHA dissolution, and played Notre Dame every season till last season too. If North Dakota is playing it's big rivals every year out-of-conference, then the fan excitement is still there too.

Will UND join the Big 10? Depends on $$$$$$. Where will they make the most $$$$$. That's what it comes down too.

I also agree I'd love Bowling Green St and Notre Dame in the NCHC (as well as Arizona St). A west and an east division would work perfect.
(This post was last modified: 11-08-2017 10:16 PM by Bronco'14.)
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