(11-07-2017 07:41 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:06 AM)Springfield Soxfan Wrote:  Are all the players on the team now Carey recruits?

Dave Doeren left in 2012.
Jerry Kill left in 2010.

Would be surprised if there are any Dave Doeren recruits left.
Would be far more surprised if there are any Jerry Kill recruits left.

Credit to Rod Carey. He has been with the program since 2011.
He has been HC since the Orange Bowl in 2012.

His 42-22 season record (65%) might be the third best NIU FB coach who has been around three years or longer. His 30-7 MAC Conference record is incredible.
If he stays around another two years His conference record wins might surpass Joe Novak.

The great Bill Mallory 1980-1983 was 25-19 57%, 19-15 conference and the great Memorable bowl win in 1983. With the Bowl win he is 58%.
He then went to B1G school Indiana for 13 years.

Since 1980 only Dave Doreen's two magical years have a higher winning percentage.

I clearly agree with Djud and VegasHuskie and others who applied the job that Coach Rod Carey has achieved so far at NIU.
Personally I hope that he will be around long enough to break Joe Novak's Conference and Total wins.
As far as the Post season Bowls are concerned, as long as NIU players get the extra month of coaching, I do not care if he loses the next three post season Bowl games.
Keep on beating the B1G, winning or contending in the MAC West and I will be pleased.

Bill Mallory was there when I was, i always feel he doesn't get the credit he should. What Novak did was just awesome, but Mallory pulled off a similar resurrection.

And then Lee Corso and the move to be an independent kinda buried it again. Still don't care for Corso due to that, I can't laugh at his antics, he just pisses me off..30+ years later.

(11-07-2017 07:41 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:06 AM)Springfield Soxfan Wrote:  Are all the players on the team now Carey recruits?

Dave Doeren left in 2012.
Jerry Kill left in 2010.

Would be surprised if there are any Dave Doeren recruits left.
Would be far more surprised if there are any Jerry Kill recruits left.

Credit to Rod Carey. He has been with the program since 2011.
He has been HC since the Orange Bowl in 2012.

His 42-22 season record (65%) might be the third best NIU FB coach who has been around three years or longer. His 30-7 MAC Conference record is incredible.
If he stays around another two years His conference record wins might surpass Joe Novak.

The great Bill Mallory 1980-1983 was 25-19 57%, 19-15 conference and the great Memorable bowl win in 1983. With the Bowl win he is 58%.
He then went to B1G school Indiana for 13 years.

Since 1980 only Dave Doreen's two magical years have a higher winning percentage.

I clearly agree with Djud and VegasHuskie and others who applied the job that Coach Rod Carey has achieved so far at NIU.
Personally I hope that he will be around long enough to break Joe Novak's Conference and Total wins.
As far as the Post season Bowls are concerned, as long as NIU players get the extra month of coaching, I do not care if he loses the next three post season Bowl games.
Keep on beating the B1G, winning or contending in the MAC West and I will be pleased.

Bill Mallory was there when I was, i always feel he doesn't get the credit he should. What Novak did was just awesome, but Mallory pulled off a similar resurrection.

And then Lee Corso and the move to be an independent kinda buried it again. Still don't care for Corso due to that, I can't laugh at his antics, he just pisses me off..30+ years later.

(11-07-2017 08:16 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:41 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:06 AM)Springfield Soxfan Wrote:  Are all the players on the team now Carey recruits?

Dave Doeren left in 2012.
Jerry Kill left in 2010.

Would be surprised if there are any Dave Doeren recruits left.
Would be far more surprised if there are any Jerry Kill recruits left.

Credit to Rod Carey. He has been with the program since 2011.
He has been HC since the Orange Bowl in 2012.

His 42-22 season record (65%) might be the third best NIU FB coach who has been around three years or longer. His 30-7 MAC Conference record is incredible.
If he stays around another two years His conference record wins might surpass Joe Novak.

The great Bill Mallory 1980-1983 was 25-19 57%, 19-15 conference and the great Memorable bowl win in 1983. With the Bowl win he is 58%.
He then went to B1G school Indiana for 13 years.

Since 1980 only Dave Doreen's two magical years have a higher winning percentage.

I clearly agree with Djud and VegasHuskie and others who applied the job that Coach Rod Carey has achieved so far at NIU.
Personally I hope that he will be around long enough to break Joe Novak's Conference and Total wins.
As far as the Post season Bowls are concerned, as long as NIU players get the extra month of coaching, I do not care if he loses the next three post season Bowl games.
Keep on beating the B1G, winning or contending in the MAC West and I will be pleased.

Bill Mallory was there when I was, i always feel he doesn't get the credit he should. What Novak did was just awesome, but Mallory pulled off a similar resurrection.

And then Lee Corso and the move to be an independent kinda buried it again. Still don't care for Corso due to that, I can't laugh at his antics, he just pisses me off..30+ years later.

Corso left us high and dry.

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(11-07-2017 08:16 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:41 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:06 AM)Springfield Soxfan Wrote:  Are all the players on the team now Carey recruits?

Dave Doeren left in 2012.
Jerry Kill left in 2010.

Would be surprised if there are any Dave Doeren recruits left.
Would be far more surprised if there are any Jerry Kill recruits left.

Credit to Rod Carey. He has been with the program since 2011.
He has been HC since the Orange Bowl in 2012.

His 42-22 season record (65%) might be the third best NIU FB coach who has been around three years or longer. His 30-7 MAC Conference record is incredible.
If he stays around another two years His conference record wins might surpass Joe Novak.

The great Bill Mallory 1980-1983 was 25-19 57%, 19-15 conference and the great Memorable bowl win in 1983. With the Bowl win he is 58%.
He then went to B1G school Indiana for 13 years.

Since 1980 only Dave Doreen's two magical years have a higher winning percentage.

I clearly agree with Djud and VegasHuskie and others who applied the job that Coach Rod Carey has achieved so far at NIU.
Personally I hope that he will be around long enough to break Joe Novak's Conference and Total wins.
As far as the Post season Bowls are concerned, as long as NIU players get the extra month of coaching, I do not care if he loses the next three post season Bowl games.
Keep on beating the B1G, winning or contending in the MAC West and I will be pleased.

Bill Mallory was there when I was, i always feel he doesn't get the credit he should. What Novak did was just awesome, but Mallory pulled off a similar resurrection.

And then Lee Corso and the move to be an independent kinda buried it again. Still don't care for Corso due to that, I can't laugh at his antics, he just pisses me off..30+ years later.

Bill Mallory was a great FB coach.
It is true his incredible 1983 season with that memorable Bowl win may have been the first 10 win DIV1a season and is rarely mentioned on this board.
It should be mentioned more often, I agree.
He did Coach at Indiana for 13 years after he left NIU.
The 1980's were good years for NIU FB.

Nine consecutive losing seasons in the 1990's with the nations longest losing streak does often mean that the 1980'a and the achievements of Bill Mallory and Jerry Pettibone get overlooked.

The 9-2 Stacy Robinson team would have beaten a lot of bowl teams.
That team and the 2003 teams were screwed.

(11-07-2017 09:02 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:33 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Taking knees going with 2 minutes on the clock before half needs to stop. The offense should always trying to move the ball.

That was a huge disappointment in the Toledo game. I get it that the coaches had no confidence in our passing game (with good reason) in that situation on that part of the field. However, there is no reason why they could not have run the ball. You might get a long run with the ability to try passing in a less risky situation with better field position that could set up a field goal attempt or a shot or 2 at the end zone. Carey is a safe player to the degree where it makes it tough to win championships.

How often do teams get a big run in this situation vs making a turnover trying to make something happen? Most of the time you run the ball a couple times and maybe get a first down but aren't going to score without some intermediate passing completions (which we don't seem to be good at)

Carey is 4-1 against the B10 and a lot of that has to do with turnovers. We got two pick 6's to beat Nebraska, we got turnovers at #1 Ohio State, Jimmie Ward had a big INT to get the win at Iowa.

It's not sexy, but running out the clock when you get the ball after half down 10-7 isn't always a bad move. And what happened after half? We come out, drive the field and are up 14-10. Unfortunately after that our offense stagnated, defense didn't get stops, we turned over the ball instead of the other team making mistakes like in our B10 wins, and we lost.

(11-07-2017 09:37 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:02 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:33 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Taking knees going with 2 minutes on the clock before half needs to stop. The offense should always trying to move the ball.

That was a huge disappointment in the Toledo game. I get it that the coaches had no confidence in our passing game (with good reason) in that situation on that part of the field. However, there is no reason why they could not have run the ball. You might get a long run with the ability to try passing in a less risky situation with better field position that could set up a field goal attempt or a shot or 2 at the end zone. Carey is a safe player to the degree where it makes it tough to win championships.

How often do teams get a big run in this situation vs making a turnover trying to make something happen? Most of the time you run the ball a couple times and maybe get a first down but aren't going to score without some intermediate passing completions (which we don't seem to be good at)

Carey is 4-1 against the B10 and a lot of that has to do with turnovers. We got two pick 6's to beat Nebraska, we got turnovers at #1 Ohio State, Jimmie Ward had a big INT to get the win at Iowa.

It's not sexy, but running out the clock when you get the ball after half down 10-7 isn't always a bad move. And what happened after half? We come out, drive the field and are up 14-10. Unfortunately after that our offense stagnated, defense didn't get stops, we turned over the ball instead of the other team making mistakes like in our B10 wins, and we lost.

I'm in the middle on this issue. Instinct tells you to try a couple of runs, but that entails risks. The risk/reward ratio was pretty even. It's annoying but not stupid.

(11-07-2017 10:32 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:02 AM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:33 AM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  Taking knees going with 2 minutes on the clock before half needs to stop. The offense should always trying to move the ball.

That was a huge disappointment in the Toledo game. I get it that the coaches had no confidence in our passing game (with good reason) in that situation on that part of the field. However, there is no reason why they could not have run the ball. You might get a long run with the ability to try passing in a less risky situation with better field position that could set up a field goal attempt or a shot or 2 at the end zone. Carey is a safe player to the degree where it makes it tough to win championships.

It's not like we have a prolific offense like we did under Harnish or Lynch when we had 21 points and 300 yards in the first half. We needed to take the fight to Toledo, and we didn't.

(11-07-2017 11:01 AM)Teamduh Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:11 AM)NIU32 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:09 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:14 AM)Djud Wrote:  So with 3/4 of the season completed, here is what we know:

1) our defense is not perfect, but it is really good; so good that our conservative offensive approach appears to be good enough to win most games
2) Huskie football revolves around a running QB; we changed QB’s to match our system versus adjusting the system to match the skills of the QB...has it worked?
3) We have to lose the Lynch compariooms; it’s not fair to the kid (Childers); if the success of this offense is dependent on a Lynch type QB, it’s a bad system.
4) Carey has an absolute disdain/intolerance for turnovers; he would rather have a 17 point Offensive effort with zero turnoververs; than a 35 point effort with 2 turnovers. The reality is, this approach makes absolute sense for the majority of the MAC opponents.
5) Carey’s complete body of work is damn good; it is hard to argue numbers, his winning % is outstanding; and his record vs the Big 10 will never be matched.
6) Given point #2, 2018 will be interesting with Childers, Hall, Thompson, Graham and Santa all in the 2018 picture. 1 if not 2, will not be in the picture next year. Not sure how Santa fits into the mix.

I've been really impressed with the defense. Mid-majors can develop big offenses because there are so many talented kids that play skill positions in high school that there becomes a surplus that filter down to smaller schools.

Defense, though, is much harder to build. Kudos to Carey and his staff for finding and developing these kids that have turned our defense into a stout group.

On the flip side, many have bemoaned how poor our talent is at the skill positions on offense. Once you develop a reputation as a conservative offense, you start closing recruiting doors. No plus receiver is going to come here when he is only going to get three or four touches per game.

I don't understand the Santacaterina thing. He played really well in that San Diego State game aside from a couple very poor decisions. When he is behind center, I feel the offense has the most life we've seen since number 6 was at the helm. If I were his family, I would talk to him about transferring out. I get the sense he isn't going to get another opportunity and it is puzzling.

Much like the Carey supporters hate hearing about his pathetic record in bowl games, we Carey non-supporters cringe when we hear about his strong record against the weak sisters of the Big Ten. Maybe the two kind of cancel each other out.

Good post, DJud

Interesting timing on the thoughts on what Santa's Dad thinks about the situation. He posted this a few days ago:

https://twitter.com/MJSanta/status/925361758398803970

They are first class family

His dad is right. He still has a chance to start and be good.

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(11-07-2017 08:16 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 07:41 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:06 AM)Springfield Soxfan Wrote:  Are all the players on the team now Carey recruits?

Dave Doeren left in 2012.
Jerry Kill left in 2010.

Would be surprised if there are any Dave Doeren recruits left.
Would be far more surprised if there are any Jerry Kill recruits left.

Credit to Rod Carey. He has been with the program since 2011.
He has been HC since the Orange Bowl in 2012.

His 42-22 season record (65%) might be the third best NIU FB coach who has been around three years or longer. His 30-7 MAC Conference record is incredible.
If he stays around another two years His conference record wins might surpass Joe Novak.

The great Bill Mallory 1980-1983 was 25-19 57%, 19-15 conference and the great Memorable bowl win in 1983. With the Bowl win he is 58%.
He then went to B1G school Indiana for 13 years.

Since 1980 only Dave Doreen's two magical years have a higher winning percentage.

I clearly agree with Djud and VegasHuskie and others who applied the job that Coach Rod Carey has achieved so far at NIU.
Personally I hope that he will be around long enough to break Joe Novak's Conference and Total wins.
As far as the Post season Bowls are concerned, as long as NIU players get the extra month of coaching, I do not care if he loses the next three post season Bowl games.
Keep on beating the B1G, winning or contending in the MAC West and I will be pleased.

Bill Mallory was there when I was, i always feel he doesn't get the credit he should. What Novak did was just awesome, but Mallory pulled off a similar resurrection.

And then Lee Corso and the move to be an independent kinda buried it again. Still don't care for Corso due to that, I can't laugh at his antics, he just pisses me off..30+ years later.

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