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RE: Disney buying 21st Century Fox??
(11-07-2017 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Disney is most likely looking at content for its new subscription service to put in a better position to compete with Netflix and HBO. Not only do you get Fox's recent release movies (currently shown in the pay window on HBO), you get a huge library of films and TV shows, including the original Star Wars. As folks have pointed out, it gets them the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Also, don't discount the value of all of the series produced or owned by FX, many of which are very good (54 Emmy nominations this past year compared to ABC's 34). FX also owns the entire library of Simpsons episodes. The combination of Disney, Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, ABC, ESPN films (30 for 30, etc.), Disney Channel, Freeform, Fox studios, Fox television production, and FX would provide a huge library of existing material together with production capability for a virtually unlimited number of new shows and movies.

As ESPN has entered a stage with limited growth, Disney needs a replacement growth vehicle. Creating a viable competitor to Netflix and HBO is an excellent strategic play to try to accomplish this. As someone pointed out, Netflix has a market cap of $86 billion. Disney, with ESPN and all of its other assets, has a market cap of less than twice this amount at $155 billion. The Fox assets being discussed would strongly bolster Disney's efforts to implement this strategy.

THIS. Content is king. Nobody buys streaming services or cable because of the platform. Ultimately, they buy them to watch content. In an al a carte future, exclusive content will determine what networks and streaming services will be considered “must haves” by consumers and which will be fighting to survive. Regardless of whether cable or streaming wins the battle for subscribers, whoever controls huge blocks of content will be certain survivors
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(11-07-2017 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Disney is most likely looking at content for its new subscription service to put in a better position to compete with Netflix and HBO. Not only do you get Fox's recent release movies (currently shown in the pay window on HBO), you get a huge library of films and TV shows, including the original Star Wars. As folks have pointed out, it gets them the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Also, don't discount the value of all of the series produced or owned by FX, many of which are very good (54 Emmy nominations this past year compared to ABC's 34). FX also owns the entire library of Simpsons episodes. The combination of Disney, Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, ABC, ESPN films (30 for 30, etc.), Disney Channel, Freeform, Fox studios, Fox television production, and FX would provide a huge library of existing material together with production capability for a virtually unlimited number of new shows and movies.

Yes, it's this. Disney, ideally, would like to have so much content for its competitor to Netflix that the majority of consumers who subscribe would choose to subscribe to "Disneyflix" instead of Netflix.

Disneyflix is also a way to get into OTT for Disney-operated TV channels including the ESPN channels. Disneyflix could offer one bundle that includes both the movie and TV libraries and ESPN channels, Disney kids channels, etc. included, and maybe another bundle at a slightly lower monthly rate that includes only the movie and TV libraries.
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(11-07-2017 02:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Disney is most likely looking at content for its new subscription service to put in a better position to compete with Netflix and HBO. Not only do you get Fox's recent release movies (currently shown in the pay window on HBO), you get a huge library of films and TV shows, including the original Star Wars. As folks have pointed out, it gets them the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Also, don't discount the value of all of the series produced or owned by FX, many of which are very good (54 Emmy nominations this past year compared to ABC's 34). FX also owns the entire library of Simpsons episodes. The combination of Disney, Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, ABC, ESPN films (30 for 30, etc.), Disney Channel, Freeform, Fox studios, Fox television production, and FX would provide a huge library of existing material together with production capability for a virtually unlimited number of new shows and movies.

Yes, it's this. Disney, ideally, would like to have so much content for its competitor to Netflix that the majority of consumers who subscribe would choose to subscribe to "Disneyflix" instead of Netflix.

Disneyflix is also a way to get into OTT for Disney-operated TV channels including the ESPN channels. Disneyflix could offer one bundle that includes both the movie and TV libraries and ESPN channels, Disney kids channels, etc. included, and maybe another bundle at a slightly lower monthly rate that includes only the movie and TV libraries.

If all Disney content (all th IPs, movies, ABC, ESPN, the dozens of other cable channels they own, nonDisney content they own broadcast rights to) is combined with the films and content Fox owns and made available as an exclusive streaming service, they could put Netflix out of business.

But let's be honest, the reason this news is good is because the world needs to see Wolverine fight the Hulk!
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(11-07-2017 09:18 AM)panama Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.co...urces.html

"Disney would not purchase all of Fox, according to people with knowledge of the talks.

The company could not own two broadcast networks and would therefore not buy the Fox broadcast network. It would not buy Fox's sports programming assets in the belief that combining them with ESPN could be seen as anti-competitive from an antitrust standpoint and it would not buy the Fox News or Business channel. Disney would also not purchase Fox's local broadcasting affiliates, according to people familiar with the negotiations.

In addition to the movie studio, TV production and international assets such as Star and Sky, Disney would also add entertainment networks such as FX and National Geographic."

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I think its a brilliant idea by Disney. Disney has seen the future and that future is "DisneyFlix" (copyright Wedge). This would greatly help DisneyFlix as it is about to launch as well as reunify Marvel and Star Wars, two of Disney's biggest properties, while simultaneously knocking Fox out of the Big Media game and leave it ripe for another bigger fish like AT&T to take what is left.

A little surprise that Fox News channel wouldn't be apart of the discussion as Disney does not have a cable news channel in their portfolio.
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Also, would Disney acquire Fox's stake in Hulu? That would make Disney the majority owner of that joint venture
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I thought Disney already owned Star Wars
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(11-07-2017 03:52 PM)krux Wrote:  I thought Disney already owned Star Wars

Disney owns all of the intellectual property rights in Star Wars, but Fox still has the distribution rights for the original A New Hope in perpetuity and the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi for the next couple of years. (This was based on a deal George Lucas made back in the 2000s where Lucasfilm allowed Fox to retain those Original Trilogy distribution rights in exchange for Lucasfilm having full distribution rights of Episodes I, II and III. Fox was still used by Lucasfilm to release Episodes I, II and III in theaters, but Fox only received effectively a flat fee as opposed to normal performance-based distribution royalty.) Essentially, Disney still has to pay Fox a cut of any Blu-Ray releases, streaming and TV airings of the Original Trilogy. Otherwise, all other rights in the Star Wars franchise are fully-owned by Disney. As a Star Wars fan, the primary potential tangible impact that a Disney purchase of Fox would have is that it would remove any financial barriers to Disney re-releasing the true original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy instead of the bastardized Special Editions.

Now, Disney getting back X-Men and Fantastic Four *production* rights in a Fox purchase would be a much bigger deal for Marvel fans since those properties could then be merged into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in a way that isn't allowed as of now. (Think of Wolverine and the rest of the X-Men finally getting to be in a movie with The Avengers.) That would be a pretty significant change for the public that isn't based on financial accounting or revenue distributions behind-the-scenes.
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(11-07-2017 04:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:52 PM)krux Wrote:  I thought Disney already owned Star Wars

Disney owns all of the intellectual property rights in Star Wars, but Fox still has the distribution rights for the original A New Hope in perpetuity and the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi for the next couple of years. (This was based on a deal George Lucas made back in the 2000s where Lucasfilm allowed Fox to retain those Original Trilogy distribution rights in exchange for Lucasfilm having full distribution rights of Episodes I, II and III. Fox was still used by Lucasfilm to release Episodes I, II and III in theaters, but Fox only received effectively a flat fee as opposed to normal performance-based distribution royalty.) Essentially, Disney still has to pay Fox a cut of any Blu-Ray releases, streaming and TV airings of the Original Trilogy. Otherwise, all other rights in the Star Wars franchise are fully-owned by Disney. As a Star Wars fan, the primary potential tangible impact that a Disney purchase of Fox would have is that it would remove any financial barriers to Disney re-releasing the true original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy instead of the bastardized Special Editions.

Now, Disney getting back X-Men and Fantastic Four *production* rights in a Fox purchase would be a much bigger deal for Marvel fans since those properties could then be merged into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in a way that isn't allowed as of now. (Think of Wolverine and the rest of the X-Men finally getting to be in a movie with The Avengers.) That would be a pretty significant change for the public that isn't based on financial accounting or revenue distributions behind-the-scenes.

Right. And then there is almost a 100 years of movies to add to the Film Library. The initial impact is as you say, but the total inventory is so much richer.
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(11-07-2017 04:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:52 PM)krux Wrote:  I thought Disney already owned Star Wars

Disney owns all of the intellectual property rights in Star Wars, but Fox still has the distribution rights for the original A New Hope in perpetuity and the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi for the next couple of years. (This was based on a deal George Lucas made back in the 2000s where Lucasfilm allowed Fox to retain those Original Trilogy distribution rights in exchange for Lucasfilm having full distribution rights of Episodes I, II and III. Fox was still used by Lucasfilm to release Episodes I, II and III in theaters, but Fox only received effectively a flat fee as opposed to normal performance-based distribution royalty.) Essentially, Disney still has to pay Fox a cut of any Blu-Ray releases, streaming and TV airings of the Original Trilogy. Otherwise, all other rights in the Star Wars franchise are fully-owned by Disney. As a Star Wars fan, the primary potential tangible impact that a Disney purchase of Fox would have is that it would remove any financial barriers to Disney re-releasing the true original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy instead of the bastardized Special Editions.

Now, Disney getting back X-Men and Fantastic Four *production* rights in a Fox purchase would be a much bigger deal for Marvel fans since those properties could then be merged into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in a way that isn't allowed as of now. (Think of Wolverine and the rest of the X-Men finally getting to be in a movie with The Avengers.) That would be a pretty significant change for the public that isn't based on financial accounting or revenue distributions behind-the-scenes.

I don't think Disney will be able to release "a new hope" at all unless some type of deal with fox is worked out before hand. The other 5 revert to Disney in 2020 but "a new hope" will require a separate deal if fox is willing to part with it at all.
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(11-07-2017 06:37 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 04:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(11-07-2017 03:52 PM)krux Wrote:  I thought Disney already owned Star Wars

Disney owns all of the intellectual property rights in Star Wars, but Fox still has the distribution rights for the original A New Hope in perpetuity and the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi for the next couple of years. (This was based on a deal George Lucas made back in the 2000s where Lucasfilm allowed Fox to retain those Original Trilogy distribution rights in exchange for Lucasfilm having full distribution rights of Episodes I, II and III. Fox was still used by Lucasfilm to release Episodes I, II and III in theaters, but Fox only received effectively a flat fee as opposed to normal performance-based distribution royalty.) Essentially, Disney still has to pay Fox a cut of any Blu-Ray releases, streaming and TV airings of the Original Trilogy. Otherwise, all other rights in the Star Wars franchise are fully-owned by Disney. As a Star Wars fan, the primary potential tangible impact that a Disney purchase of Fox would have is that it would remove any financial barriers to Disney re-releasing the true original theatrical versions of the Original Trilogy instead of the bastardized Special Editions.

Now, Disney getting back X-Men and Fantastic Four *production* rights in a Fox purchase would be a much bigger deal for Marvel fans since those properties could then be merged into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in a way that isn't allowed as of now. (Think of Wolverine and the rest of the X-Men finally getting to be in a movie with The Avengers.) That would be a pretty significant change for the public that isn't based on financial accounting or revenue distributions behind-the-scenes.

I don't think Disney will be able to release "a new hope" at all unless some type of deal with fox is worked out before hand. The other 5 revert to Disney in 2020 but "a new hope" will require a separate deal if fox is willing to part with it at all.

That's largely correct - those are the Star Wars/Fox distribution terms that I was referring to. Disney does receive the Lucasfilm share of A New Hope sales/streaming/etc., but not the Fox distribution share. This isn't a perfect analogy, but it's sort of like how music royalties are split between the songwriter and publisher. A songwriter always retains his/her songwriting royalties, but often give up rights to publishing royalties when they sign a record deal. When a songwriter gets more clout, he/she may be able to use leverage to retain future publishing rights. Publishing rights may also be transferable. (Recall the famous instance of Michael Jackson buying the publishing rights to a large catalog that included most of The Beatles songs. That catalog ended up being one of the most valuable portions of Jackson's entire state.)
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