MAC only:

21. Toledo
37. Ohio
44. NIU
74. CMU
80. WMU
91. Akron
92. EMU

102. Buffalo
108. Miami
118. Ball State
120. Kent
122. BGSU

Myerberg may have transposed BGSU and Ball State. I also think Akron should be ahead of WMU.

OK, took down the link because it's redirecting to something else for some reason.

Don't see Ohio as the 37th best team in the nation. Based on what? Wins over Kansas and UMass? Miami and BG? Blown out by a Purdue team that is improved but no better than the 50s nationally.

(11-07-2017 01:43 AM)pono Wrote:  Don't see Ohio as the 37th best team in the nation. Based on what? Wins over Kansas and UMass? Miami and BG? Blown out by a Purdue team that is improved but no better than the 50s nationally.

Ohio seems like they are the only team on our schedule who can outscore us... Not sure they can stop us but if a 50 somn to 50 somn game happens, the home team has a shot.... On the other hand, Ohio has played no good defenses. Toledo does have an opportunistic one who has gotten better every week....
45-35 is my projection, but the winner is up for interpretation.

Every year it seems Ohio plays a favorable schedule that guarantees they will reach at least 8 wins. Due to their schedule, they seem more fresh later on in the season and could easily win a big game. Hell, last year they were driving in the MACCG about to beat WMU. It would not shock me if they beat UT, but I don't think they will.

(11-07-2017 12:06 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  On the other hand, Ohio has played no good defenses.

Do you mean other than the #2, #3 and #6 in the conference so far?

(11-07-2017 12:09 PM)george14 Wrote:  Every year it seems Ohio plays a favorable schedule that guarantees they will reach at least 8 wins. Due to their schedule, they seem more fresh later on in the season and could easily win a big game. Hell, last year they were driving in the MACCG about to beat WMU. It would not shock me if they beat UT, but I don't think they will.

Not to take anything away from OU. But I attribute that to feeling the gargantuan pressure weight of Top 20 rankings and NY6 bowl chatter that started in November and had reached a crescendo by that point.

I've rarely been so nervous at a game. You could cut the tension with a knife at Ford Field as that game wore on (Bronco sideline stiff as a board, Ohio sideline loose, dancing around). That was the dictionary definition of playing-not-to-lose.

Thank god for Spillane's INT.

(11-07-2017 03:44 PM)OUVan Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:06 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  On the other hand, Ohio has played no good defenses.

Do you mean other than the #2, #3 and #6 in the conference so far?

These numbers were beat to death last week when NIU played Toledo and Toledo put 500+ on that statistically great defense. When you play in the MAC it's really hard to hang your hat on the numbers you racked up on a weak schedule (and both teams have played a weak one). This is besides the fact that I doubt the #3 and #6 and even the #2 defense in the league fair all that well compared to the rest of the FBS.

(11-07-2017 04:46 PM)SylRocketFan Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:44 PM)OUVan Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:06 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  On the other hand, Ohio has played no good defenses.

Do you mean other than the #2, #3 and #6 in the conference so far?

These numbers were beat to death last week when NIU played Toledo and Toledo put 500+ on that statistically great defense. When you play in the MAC it's really hard to hang your hat on the numbers you racked up on a weak schedule (and both teams have played a weak one). This is besides the fact that I doubt the #3 and #6 and even the #2 defense in the league fair all that well compared to the rest of the FBS.

I don't know that the schedule we played was weak, but it didn't have any good passing offenses.

Bobcats have a potent offense. Defense a bit shaky at times but averaging over 40 a games give a little room for error on defense. Bobcats have great special teams too. This team wears teams down with the run and late in games Roark vs a tired defense is game over with the option. Teams can't really stack the box on Ohio because White can be dangerous if he gets behind every one. Bobcats have the dual threat ability to gash teams in so many ways.

(11-08-2017 12:53 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Bobcats have a potent offense. Defense a bit shaky at times but averaging over 40 a games give a little room for error on defense. Bobcats have great special teams too. This team wears teams down with the run and late in games Roark vs a tired defense is game over with the option. Teams can't really stack the box on Ohio because White can be dangerous if he gets behind every one. Bobcats have the dual threat ability to gash teams in so many ways.

I will take my chances...running teams are our weakness.

(11-08-2017 03:29 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:53 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Bobcats have a potent offense. Defense a bit shaky at times but averaging over 40 a games give a little room for error on defense. Bobcats have great special teams too. This team wears teams down with the run and late in games Roark vs a tired defense is game over with the option. Teams can't really stack the box on Ohio because White can be dangerous if he gets behind every one. Bobcats have the dual threat ability to gash teams in so many ways.

I will take my chances...running teams are our weakness.

Yet they lost to CMU at home a team Toledo destroyed on the road.

(11-08-2017 09:02 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:29 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:53 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Bobcats have a potent offense. Defense a bit shaky at times but averaging over 40 a games give a little room for error on defense. Bobcats have great special teams too. This team wears teams down with the run and late in games Roark vs a tired defense is game over with the option. Teams can't really stack the box on Ohio because White can be dangerous if he gets behind every one. Bobcats have the dual threat ability to gash teams in so many ways.

I will take my chances...running teams are our weakness.

Yet they lost to CMU at home a team Toledo destroyed on the road.

lol sports math.

Toledo should win but I expect a good game.

(11-08-2017 09:02 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:29 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:53 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Bobcats have a potent offense. Defense a bit shaky at times but averaging over 40 a games give a little room for error on defense. Bobcats have great special teams too. This team wears teams down with the run and late in games Roark vs a tired defense is game over with the option. Teams can't really stack the box on Ohio because White can be dangerous if he gets behind every one. Bobcats have the dual threat ability to gash teams in so many ways.

I will take my chances...running teams are our weakness.

Yet they lost to CMU at home a team Toledo destroyed on the road.

because we turned the ball over four times and had countless stupid penalties. clearly, we didn't come to play that game.

(11-08-2017 09:37 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:02 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:29 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:53 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Bobcats have a potent offense. Defense a bit shaky at times but averaging over 40 a games give a little room for error on defense. Bobcats have great special teams too. This team wears teams down with the run and late in games Roark vs a tired defense is game over with the option. Teams can't really stack the box on Ohio because White can be dangerous if he gets behind every one. Bobcats have the dual threat ability to gash teams in so many ways.

I will take my chances...running teams are our weakness.

Yet they lost to CMU at home a team Toledo destroyed on the road.

because we turned the ball over four times and had countless stupid penalties. clearly, we didn't come to play that game.

We average 8 penalties a game. Won with like 13 against Tulsa...a game we had no business coming back and winning.

(11-08-2017 10:14 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:37 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:02 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:29 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:53 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Bobcats have a potent offense. Defense a bit shaky at times but averaging over 40 a games give a little room for error on defense. Bobcats have great special teams too. This team wears teams down with the run and late in games Roark vs a tired defense is game over with the option. Teams can't really stack the box on Ohio because White can be dangerous if he gets behind every one. Bobcats have the dual threat ability to gash teams in so many ways.

I will take my chances...running teams are our weakness.

Yet they lost to CMU at home a team Toledo destroyed on the road.

because we turned the ball over four times and had countless stupid penalties. clearly, we didn't come to play that game.

We average 8 penalties a game. Won with like 13 against Tulsa...a game we had no business coming back and winning.

yeah that happens sometimes and you can overcome turnovers like you guys did. we had a touchdown right before halftime that was called back due to a penalty. that would have made it 21-7 at the half. instead, we went for a field goal that was blocked and CMU ran it all the way back for a TD with no time left making it 14-13 Ohio. those two plays turned the whole game around. turnovers AND penalties/mistakes like that are hard to overcome. especially when the guys know Central has a history of owning us. and it was doubly unfortunate that it happened on Homecoming! but, we move on!

(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:14 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:37 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:02 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 03:29 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I will take my chances...running teams are our weakness.

Yet they lost to CMU at home a team Toledo destroyed on the road.

because we turned the ball over four times and had countless stupid penalties. clearly, we didn't come to play that game.

We average 8 penalties a game. Won with like 13 against Tulsa...a game we had no business coming back and winning.

yeah that happens sometimes and you can overcome turnovers like you guys did. we had a touchdown right before halftime that was called back due to a penalty. that would have made it 21-7 at the half. instead, we went for a field goal that was blocked and CMU ran it all the way back for a TD with no time left making it 14-13 Ohio. those two plays turned the whole game around. turnovers AND penalties/mistakes like that are hard to overcome. especially when the guys know Central has a history of owning us. and it was doubly unfortunate that it happened on Homecoming! but, we move on!

I think tonights game will come down to the leagues 2 best QB's and how they protect the ball. Most turnovers by a QB loses IMO.

(11-08-2017 12:06 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:21 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 10:14 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:37 AM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:02 AM)utpotts Wrote:  Yet they lost to CMU at home a team Toledo destroyed on the road.

because we turned the ball over four times and had countless stupid penalties. clearly, we didn't come to play that game.

We average 8 penalties a game. Won with like 13 against Tulsa...a game we had no business coming back and winning.

yeah that happens sometimes and you can overcome turnovers like you guys did. we had a touchdown right before halftime that was called back due to a penalty. that would have made it 21-7 at the half. instead, we went for a field goal that was blocked and CMU ran it all the way back for a TD with no time left making it 14-13 Ohio. those two plays turned the whole game around. turnovers AND penalties/mistakes like that are hard to overcome. especially when the guys know Central has a history of owning us. and it was doubly unfortunate that it happened on Homecoming! but, we move on!

I think tonights game will come down to the leagues 2 best QB's and how they protect the ball. Most turnovers by a QB loses IMO.

i agree. I think it will be a very entertaining offensive shoot-out. should be fun! and who knows, this MIGHT be the first of two match-ups for this season!

(11-07-2017 04:46 PM)SylRocketFan Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 03:44 PM)OUVan Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:06 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  On the other hand, Ohio has played no good defenses.

Do you mean other than the #2, #3 and #6 in the conference so far?

These numbers were beat to death last week when NIU played Toledo and Toledo put 500+ on that statistically great defense. When you play in the MAC it's really hard to hang your hat on the numbers you racked up on a weak schedule (and both teams have played a weak one). This is besides the fact that I doubt the #3 and #6 and even the #2 defense in the league fair all that well compared to the rest of the FBS.

We did hold you guys to your 2nd lowest scoring output of the year. Toledo was also 4-for-13 on 3rd down. We just gave up too many long passing plays. Yards don't mean a whole lot considering NIU had 430 yards and only scored 17 points.