(11-06-2017 03:24 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  4 seems right to me for NDSU.

both Jax St and UCA have only lost to FBS teams and NDSU did not play an FBS and I believe they have not beaten a team with less than 3 losses this year.

I'm not saying either Jax or UCA would beat NDSU. But saying that is completely hypothetical. Based on performance to date, they should be ranked 4th IMO

Ditto.

(11-06-2017 03:32 PM)Flyrod Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 03:14 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:49 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Yep, remember a year ago when a certain “#1 ranked” team visited BFS and lost 65-7? It was hilarious watching them make that claim at the time.

Yeah, but recall their QB was hurt. And, it was too cold. And, they had a long way to travel. And, on a short week due to the Friday night game. Didn't have enough time to prepare. And, the head coach forgot his Summer's Eve. And, the hotel beds were too hard. And, the moon rays caused problems with their WR's vision. And, the stadium was too large. And, those mean JMU students said unkind things to them during warm ups. And, nobody told them they had to play defense that week. And, of course, JMU just got lucky.

And...

The Band was too Loud and wouldnt stop playing when they were on offense....!

Oh Wait my BAD that was the UNH game.

LOL, that type of whining is something you would associate with and expect out of Keeler. Used to believe UNH coach was more dignified, until the video clips of him cursing at us.

(11-06-2017 02:42 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:22 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  If you ignore the last 6 years and base the rankings 100% off just the 9 games played this year (which you should), dropping them to at least #4 is reasonable.

They are 2-1 vs likely playoff teams. Beat:
-UNI (5-4/6-2): Likely to finish 7-4 and get an at large bid. Last 2 games vs the 2 MVFC cellar dwellars.
-WIU (6-3/3-3): Likely to finish 8-3 or 7-4 and get an at large bid.

Lost to SDSU (7-2/4-2) by 2 TDs..

Beat EWU, but EWU (5-4/4-2) isn't likely to make the playoffs. Are in a 4 way tie for 4th place in the Big Sky. Even IF EWU wins out to finish 7-4, they will be 1-3 vs likely playoff teams (lost NDSU, SUU, Weber, beat Montana).

NDSU has left:
11/11 SD (7-2/4-2). SD finishes with SDSU.
11/18 @ ILSU (6-3/4-2). ILSU has @ SDSU this Sat.

IF NDSU beats both, I see SD finishing 7-4, in the playoffs, ILSU finishing 6-5, out of the playoffs. But no matter how you slice it, the MVFC isn't getting more than 5 teams in, and NDSU if they win their last 2 will at best be 3-1 vs likely playoff teams, but didn't play a I-A game.

That's ridiculous. You can't ignore the past few seasons because otherwise you wouldn't be aware of Jacksonville State, Cent Ark, and SHSU playing in weak conferences and beat nobody this year. RU f@cked up everything by losing to SHSU, if those f@ckers beat us I'm taking a deuce on their mascot.

as awesome as this is... I hope to god it doesn't happen, instead, we curb stomp the RU from the opening kick-off!

I do have experience $h!tting on the Richmond Spider, but that was at the old $h!tty Stadium back in the day...

Always enjoyed the 'ole City Stadium, JMU fans normally outnumbered Tick fans. Which is why they built the cracker box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svRvZxTCTb4

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)bobbyjmu Wrote:  Always enjoyed the 'ole City Stadium, JMU fans normally outnumbered Tick fans. Which is why they built the cracker box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svRvZxTCTb4

That's my all-time favorite! The sustained bedlam lasted FOREVER.

(11-06-2017 01:32 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Bison still ranked ahead of the SDSU even after just losing to them. SDSU has had to play at NDSU in the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years. If both don't lose again this season, I hope the seeding committee rewards their regular season win and gives them the seeding advantage. But with two losses, I see them having to go through Fargo yet again.

Problem with this is that SDSU lost to Youngstown who NDSU beat and got killed by UNI who Bison beat by 16. Tough to say SDSU is actually the better team.

(11-06-2017 06:27 PM)Bisonlurker Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:32 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Bison still ranked ahead of the SDSU even after just losing to them. SDSU has had to play at NDSU in the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years. If both don't lose again this season, I hope the seeding committee rewards their regular season win and gives them the seeding advantage. But with two losses, I see them having to go through Fargo yet again.

Problem with this is that SDSU lost to Youngstown who NDSU beat and got killed by UNI who Bison beat by 16. Tough to say SDSU is actually the better team.

Actually... it's pretty easy.

SDSU has 1 FCS loss. NDSU has 1 FCS loss.

SDSU beat NDSU

SDSU gets the higher seed.

Actually SDSU has 2 FCS loses. YSU and UNI
Not so simple

(11-06-2017 07:03 PM)Bisonlurker Wrote:  Actually SDSU has 2 FCS loses. YSU and UNI
Not so simple

I love so much that you are true to your user handle

(11-06-2017 07:03 PM)Bisonlurker Wrote:  Actually SDSU has 2 FCS loses. YSU and UNI
Not so simple

Well then....

(11-06-2017 03:46 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:42 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:22 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  If you ignore the last 6 years and base the rankings 100% off just the 9 games played this year (which you should), dropping them to at least #4 is reasonable.

They are 2-1 vs likely playoff teams. Beat:
-UNI (5-4/6-2): Likely to finish 7-4 and get an at large bid. Last 2 games vs the 2 MVFC cellar dwellars.
-WIU (6-3/3-3): Likely to finish 8-3 or 7-4 and get an at large bid.

Lost to SDSU (7-2/4-2) by 2 TDs..

Beat EWU, but EWU (5-4/4-2) isn't likely to make the playoffs. Are in a 4 way tie for 4th place in the Big Sky. Even IF EWU wins out to finish 7-4, they will be 1-3 vs likely playoff teams (lost NDSU, SUU, Weber, beat Montana).

NDSU has left:
11/11 SD (7-2/4-2). SD finishes with SDSU.
11/18 @ ILSU (6-3/4-2). ILSU has @ SDSU this Sat.

IF NDSU beats both, I see SD finishing 7-4, in the playoffs, ILSU finishing 6-5, out of the playoffs. But no matter how you slice it, the MVFC isn't getting more than 5 teams in, and NDSU if they win their last 2 will at best be 3-1 vs likely playoff teams, but didn't play a I-A game.

That's ridiculous. You can't ignore the past few seasons because otherwise you wouldn't be aware of Jacksonville State, Cent Ark, and SHSU playing in weak conferences and beat nobody this year. RU f@cked up everything by losing to SHSU, if those f@ckers beat us I'm taking a deuce on their mascot.

Well if you don't want to ignore a few seasons ago, look at 2015, with JMU and JSU.
JMU got beat by Colgate, who got destroyed by the Soft Houston, who got destroyed by JSU.

JSU was 2-0 vs playoff teams regular season, including a very good UTC OOC, lost @ top 10 Auburn in OT (should have won), and won 3 playoff games, including destroying Soft Houston, before getting rolled by NDSU in the NC game.

Why we should ignore "a few" seasons ago. Now if you want to argue we shouldn't ignore just last season, that's a little different.

Sure, the nearer the history the more relevant, but you can't dismiss recent context and patterns when it comes to the differences between conferences. I'm not talking so much about individual teams as the top half of the conferences as a whole.

A loss or two to top MVFC is much different than even a single loss in the Southland or OVC. Even the Southern is way down this year, Wofford has squeaked by some horrible teams. The fact YSU went through their side of the bracket on the road shows how weak many of those teams are. NDSU and SDSU should both be top 4.

We'll have to wait for the playoffs to bare this theory out, but either way there's a good possibility that one half of the bracket will be chock full of overrated top seeds like Cent Ark, SHSU, Wofford, and whatever Big Sky they swap out for that pathetic Northern Arizona selection.

(11-06-2017 04:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I do have experience $h!tting on the Richmond Spider, but that was at the old $h!tty Stadium back in the day...

Bonus points if the dude was in the costume at the time.

(11-06-2017 06:27 PM)Bisonlurker Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:32 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Bison still ranked ahead of the SDSU even after just losing to them. SDSU has had to play at NDSU in the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years. If both don't lose again this season, I hope the seeding committee rewards their regular season win and gives them the seeding advantage. But with two losses, I see them having to go through Fargo yet again.

Problem with this is that SDSU lost to Youngstown who NDSU beat and got killed by UNI who Bison beat by 16. Tough to say SDSU is actually the better team.

I guess my campaign on behalf of SDSU revolves around this premise: What has to happen for the Bison to ever play a road playoff game?

(11-06-2017 08:06 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I do have experience $h!tting on the Richmond Spider, but that was at the old $h!tty Stadium back in the day...

Bonus points if the dude was in the costume at the time.

Ha, not the live mascot! But we did stomp the living hell out of the logo mid-field in 2006 post game.

(11-06-2017 06:27 PM)Bisonlurker Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:32 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Bison still ranked ahead of the SDSU even after just losing to them. SDSU has had to play at NDSU in the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 years. If both don't lose again this season, I hope the seeding committee rewards their regular season win and gives them the seeding advantage. But with two losses, I see them having to go through Fargo yet again.

Problem with this is that SDSU lost to Youngstown who NDSU beat and got killed by UNI who Bison beat by 16. Tough to say SDSU is actually the better team.

Yeah, really tough to say which is the better team. Unless, of course, they played each other?

Maybe, just maybe this year’s edition of NDSU is just not as strong as years past and the pollsters decided to no longer reward them for past success. Everyone knew that NDSU’s early schedule was soft and their last four games would be a true test of this year’s team. So far, they are 1-1. Let’s see where they stand in two weeks.

(11-06-2017 09:47 PM)White Hall Wrote:  Maybe, just maybe this year’s edition of NDSU is just not as strong as years past and the pollsters decided to no longer reward them for past success. Everyone knew that NDSU’s early schedule was soft and their last four games would be a true test of this year’s team. So far, they are 1-1. Let’s see where they stand in two weeks.

The difference is QB Easton Stick. He is so inconsistent this year. I think our D can handle the Bison even if Stick is having a great game, but I also think we are one of the very few teams, probably the only team, with a defense strong enough to do that.

(11-06-2017 10:53 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:47 PM)White Hall Wrote:  Maybe, just maybe this year’s edition of NDSU is just not as strong as years past and the pollsters decided to no longer reward them for past success. Everyone knew that NDSU’s early schedule was soft and their last four games would be a true test of this year’s team. So far, they are 1-1. Let’s see where they stand in two weeks.

The difference is QB Easton Stick. He is so inconsistent this year. I think our D can handle the Bison even if Stick is having a great game, but I also think we are one of the very few teams, probably the only team, with a defense strong enough to do that.

And I think Mike Houston would say that he's built this team to beat NDSU. Partially by taking their blueprint.

Right now we kind of look like this year's Bama team. Shut down defense, adequate offense with flashes of greatness.

(11-07-2017 02:49 AM)DukeDogNation Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:53 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:47 PM)White Hall Wrote:  Maybe, just maybe this year’s edition of NDSU is just not as strong as years past and the pollsters decided to no longer reward them for past success. Everyone knew that NDSU’s early schedule was soft and their last four games would be a true test of this year’s team. So far, they are 1-1. Let’s see where they stand in two weeks.

The difference is QB Easton Stick. He is so inconsistent this year. I think our D can handle the Bison even if Stick is having a great game, but I also think we are one of the very few teams, probably the only team, with a defense strong enough to do that.

And I think Mike Houston would say that he's built this team to beat NDSU. Partially by taking their blueprint.

Right now we kind of look like this year's Bama team. Shut down defense, adequate offense with flashes of greatness.

Perfectly characterized.