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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
(11-10-2017 07:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 07:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 04:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Maybe we'll see 18 member conferences next time around, or maybe not. I think it really depends upon the schools being solicited for membership and whether or not they have the clout to bring others with them.

As for the set up it is in no way awkward. 3 divisions of 6 sets up very nicely geographically. You play 5 division schools 2 each from the other divisions on a rotational basis and you play 9 conference games and everyone in the conference every three years. If you need a permanent rival make it 10.

The divisions champs and best at large form your conference playoff.

So, there's nothing hard or awkward about it.

The only question is who do we take, and what number can be accommodated profitably. If it's Texas and Oklahoma only then that's a huge economic homerun. If it's Texa-homa it is still profitable, but nowhere near the homerun, more a like a solid double.

There are great ways to divide up 18. 6 is a really good number for a little division.
The problem is this: It is really hard to integrate more than two teams at a time.

Not if the 4 are Texa-homa and thy join Missouri and Arkansas in a division. That's not an integration. It's a reunion!

It's been hard enough for Florida and South Carolina to understand that Missouri is not an OOC game. If sub divisions grow to six, Alabama and Tennessee will never know that Oklahoma is in the SEC.

Of course they will! It's just that they don't have to play but 1 every three years, which is a big game to add into the rotation of both schools. What Missouri has had to suffer is being out of their own division of friendly faces. If we added 4 and created a Southwest division that just returns us to natural divisions.


Just give Missouri and Arkansas to the Big 12 and get back to what the SEC should be.
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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
(11-10-2017 09:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 07:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 07:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  There are great ways to divide up 18. 6 is a really good number for a little division.
The problem is this: It is really hard to integrate more than two teams at a time.

Not if the 4 are Texa-homa and thy join Missouri and Arkansas in a division. That's not an integration. It's a reunion!

It's been hard enough for Florida and South Carolina to understand that Missouri is not an OOC game. If sub divisions grow to six, Alabama and Tennessee will never know that Oklahoma is in the SEC.

Of course they will! It's just that they don't have to play but 1 every three years, which is a big game to add into the rotation of both schools. What Missouri has had to suffer is being out of their own division of friendly faces. If we added 4 and created a Southwest division that just returns us to natural divisions.


Just give Missouri and Arkansas to the Big 12 and get back to what the SEC should be.

Nope, we just need to add their most valuable neighbors.

BTW: The pressure just got turned up. Stanford 30 Washington 22. The PAC is out of the running for the CFP. If Iowa beats Wisconsin and Notre Dame beats Miami the pressure on the CFP ramps way way up. And if T.C.U. beats Oklahoma and loses their conference championship game the lid is coming off!
11-11-2017 02:22 AM
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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
(11-11-2017 02:22 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 09:12 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 07:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 07:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-10-2017 06:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Not if the 4 are Texa-homa and thy join Missouri and Arkansas in a division. That's not an integration. It's a reunion!

It's been hard enough for Florida and South Carolina to understand that Missouri is not an OOC game. If sub divisions grow to six, Alabama and Tennessee will never know that Oklahoma is in the SEC.

Of course they will! It's just that they don't have to play but 1 every three years, which is a big game to add into the rotation of both schools. What Missouri has had to suffer is being out of their own division of friendly faces. If we added 4 and created a Southwest division that just returns us to natural divisions.


Just give Missouri and Arkansas to the Big 12 and get back to what the SEC should be.

Nope, we just need to add their most valuable neighbors.

BTW: The pressure just got turned up. Stanford 30 Washington 22. The PAC is out of the running for the CFP. If Iowa beats Wisconsin and Notre Dame beats Miami the pressure on the CFP ramps way way up. And if T.C.U. beats Oklahoma and loses their conference championship game the lid is coming off!

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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
Well, after this weekend I don't think this year's CFP will have much of an effect. That is, unless things get even crazier between now and championship weekend.

Notre Dame is out.

2 SEC teams are out.

Clemson and Miami will likely be a play-in game.

Oklahoma and Wisconsin have a shot.

The PAC is definitely out, but they played their way out. It won't be a matter of an equal or lesser team getting the nod.
11-13-2017 03:53 PM
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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
(11-13-2017 03:53 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Well, after this weekend I don't think this year's CFP will have much of an effect. That is, unless things get even crazier between now and championship weekend.

Notre Dame is out.

2 SEC teams are out.

Clemson and Miami will likely be a play-in game.

Oklahoma and Wisconsin have a shot.

The PAC is definitely out, but they played their way out. It won't be a matter of an equal or lesser team getting the nod.

Schools still in the hunt:

PAC: n/a
XII: Oklahoma
SEC: Alabama, Georgia, Auburn
ACC: Miami, Clemson
B1G: Wisconsin, Ohio St

My best guess:

CFP Semifinal - Sugar Bowl: #1 Alabama vs. #4 Oklahoma
CFP Semifinal - Rose Bowl: #2 Miami vs. #3 Wisconsin
CFP Championship - Atlanta, Georgia: #1 Alabama vs. #2 Miami
NY6 - Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. Notre Dame
NY6 - Fiesta Bowl: USC vs. Ohio St
NY6 - Cotton Bowl: Oklahoma St vs. Central Florida
NY6 - Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. TCU

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I was hoping Notre Dame would finish with 1-loss AND not make the CFP. Not because I dislike Notre Dame, but because I'd be curious to see if that would trigger any discussion to join the ACC as a full football member.
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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
(11-13-2017 04:53 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(11-13-2017 03:53 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Well, after this weekend I don't think this year's CFP will have much of an effect. That is, unless things get even crazier between now and championship weekend.

Notre Dame is out.

2 SEC teams are out.

Clemson and Miami will likely be a play-in game.

Oklahoma and Wisconsin have a shot.

The PAC is definitely out, but they played their way out. It won't be a matter of an equal or lesser team getting the nod.

Schools still in the hunt:

PAC: n/a
XII: Oklahoma
SEC: Alabama, Georgia, Auburn
ACC: Miami, Clemson
B1G: Wisconsin, Ohio St

My best guess:

CFP Semifinal - Sugar Bowl: #1 Alabama vs. #4 Oklahoma
CFP Semifinal - Rose Bowl: #2 Miami vs. #3 Wisconsin
CFP Championship - Atlanta, Georgia: #1 Alabama vs. #2 Miami
NY6 - Orange Bowl: Clemson vs. Notre Dame
NY6 - Fiesta Bowl: USC vs. Ohio St
NY6 - Cotton Bowl: Oklahoma St vs. Central Florida
NY6 - Peach Bowl: Georgia vs. TCU

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I was hoping Notre Dame would finish with 1-loss AND not make the CFP. Not because I dislike Notre Dame, but because I'd be curious to see if that would trigger any discussion to join the ACC as a full football member.

That looks like a good New Years 6 - I hope you are right!
11-14-2017 11:05 AM
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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
I remember reading that the G5 champ was likely to play in the Peach Bowl this year because of the upcoming CFP bowl rotation.

I think TCU gets bumped out after losing to Oklahoma in the B12 title game. Auburn sneaks in, just ahead of Penn St. I don't see Notre Dame jumping Georgia in the rankings.

Also, I think Ohio St. beats Wisconsin and wins the B1G title - who does the selection committee take for the #4 spot? I think Ohio St. sneaks in again. So,

Sugar (CFP): #1 Alabama v. #4 Ohio St.
Rose (CFP): #2 Miami v. #3 Oklahoma
Orange: #7 Clemson v. #5 Georgia
Fiesta Bowl: #9 Oklahoma St. v. #14 USC
Cotton Bowl: #6 Wisconsin v. #8 Notre Dame
Peach Bowl: #10 UCF v. #11 Auburn
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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
At this point I don't think this will accelerate any process, which will happen anyway, only that I have no idea what the next moves will be.
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(11-29-2017 07:10 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  At this point I don't think this will accelerate any process, which will happen anyway, only that I have no idea what the next moves will be.

Well, the first question to answer is: will the Big 12 survive?
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RE: Could This Year's CFP Speed Up Realignment?
(11-29-2017 08:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 07:10 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  At this point I don't think this will accelerate any process, which will happen anyway, only that I have no idea what the next moves will be.

Well, the ONLY question to answer is: will the Big 12 survive?

FIFY

Maybe until 2023. What this year will do, especially if any conference gets two in, or if the Big 10 gets left out, is accelerate the process leading to 4 P conferences. Commissioners don't like to be put in the spotlight having to defend their programs. Presidents don't like acrimony from the alums. And top brands don't like having to be judged.

If we had a champs only model then Ohio State wouldn't have to be weighed and found wanting before a national audience. Ditto for Alabama. If they miss the CFP because they didn't win their own championship game the alums get it. But if they are weighed and judged before the public court by a stilted panel of jurors it's infuriating because it brings the A.D. under scrutiny for the schedule, the coach under scrutiny for a bad loss in an otherwise good year, and it brings their conference under scrutiny if they have just a couple at the top and a lot at the bottom. It also turns off the sets of whole states, if not regions for the playoffs so ultimately, and in spite of the public controversy which usually drives ratings, it is ultimately bad for the networks.

So, if it does anything it might mean that the PAC / Big 10 / SEC / and ACC all finally realize that it is in their self interest to come to an understanding about how to divide the Big 12. The biggest issue however would be say the SEC's interest in cooperating if somehow the system this year landed us two CFP slots.

But that's how I see it.
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