Team 1 (8-0)
FCS
27
71
44
37
47
99
17

3
51
66

Team 2 (9-0)
85
50
114
26
61
56
63
105
72

18
19
70

Team 3 (8-1)
109
59
FCS
9
107
45
40
88
102

42
111

Team 4 (8-1)
129
FCS
105
85
111
93
88
40
107

102
9

Team 5 (8-1)
FCS
117
102
7
89
84
82
123
48

62
113
77

Any of those from a conference that owns the bottom ten?

Wins and losses and strength of schedule are fine but there's a diff losing close and losing large. We lost large. We're not in P5 league. We might compete with any team not Alabama for a half or a middle of the pack team for a game but I don't think our guys could survive a season of even Big ten play.

Though, I'd be interested Campbell's POV. He would be in a credible position to evaluate.

My guess:
1 UMiami
2 Wisconsin
3 Memphis
4 USF
5 Toledo

(11-05-2017 08:00 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Any of those from a conference that owns the bottom ten?

Wins and losses and strength of schedule are fine but there's a diff losing close and losing large. We lost large. We're not in P5 league. We might compete with any team not Alabama for a half or a middle of the pack team for a game but I don't think our guys could survive a season of even Big ten play.

Though, I'd be interested Campbell's POV. He would be in a credible position to evaluate.

I was in Miami and we didn't "lose large" in spite of the final score. We were leading at the half and still in the game until mid fourth quarter. The U fans were very respectful after the game and several commentators have acknowledged how tough we played. As for competing in the "big"-10 for a season, we would need to have big-10 money to make that happen. Still, we could beat Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Nebraska and Maryland on a regular basis right now. GO ROCKETS!!!

(11-06-2017 02:05 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 08:00 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Any of those from a conference that owns the bottom ten?

Wins and losses and strength of schedule are fine but there's a diff losing close and losing large. We lost large. We're not in P5 league. We might compete with any team not Alabama for a half or a middle of the pack team for a game but I don't think our guys could survive a season of even Big ten play.

Though, I'd be interested Campbell's POV. He would be in a credible position to evaluate.

I was in Miami and we didn't "lose large" in spite of the final score. We were leading at the half and still in the game until mid fourth quarter. The U fans were very respectful after the game and several commentators have acknowledged how tough we played. As for competing in the "big"-10 for a season, we would need to have big-10 money to make that happen. Still, we could beat Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Nebraska and Maryland on a regular basis right now. GO ROCKETS!!!

You make a point but in the end all, the score is the evidence voters judge by.

Competing with Big 10 needing Big 10 money? Probably not. There have been plenty of mid majors that have made it happen and continued to make it happen. I think UT has made it happen because as you pointed out and I agree, we could play regularly with those teams.

Let's not play poor man, we have advantages they don't. UT can risk an academic non-qualifier because we don't need the depth that a Big 10 team does. We don't have to worry about replacing key positions after a kid has only been here 2-3 years before leaving for the pros. UT kids aren't generally and being honest not derogatory, exposed to the same rigor of academics as a Big 10 kid, generally. That brings in and retains a lot of key skill they can't.

That said, we bring in kids they won't and have shown a recent (ten year?) record of developing them academically as well as athletically. Those are kids that not only didn't get admitted to the Big10 school but if they had been, probably wouldn't have finished. Some of these kids have developed well enough to go to the Big 10 for grad school, and even more difficult to accomplish feat than gaining entrance as an under-grad.

UT has a role, they play it well.

I wasn't playing poor man. You stated that we couldn't go through a whole year against b 10 competition. My point was that was because we and other mid majors don't have the budgets to compete for the best coaches, facilities and ultimately players. That shows up in depth over a long season. Toledo is one of the premier mid major programs in the country over the last 10 years. Take away 2006-08 and make that 20 years. What MOB and his staff have accomplished over that time period is impressive and the best is yet to come. Roll to play???? C' mon!


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Yes, "role" to play. That's a good thing. You're offended?

Don't have to look much further than Hunt and Elliot. No Toledo and they're likely not where they are. They had the athletic skills but they weren't getting into P5. For whatever reasons, they weren't "college ready" is the buzzword. They are and I presume were, articulate, intelligent but somehow, weren't making the grade. At UT, they were able to develop. I think this particularly true for Hunt. I don't think he would have the pass receiving skills, had he gone to Columbus, Michigan or other systems where he likely wouldn't have had four years of game action to develop, with solid QBing and skill support.

considering the recruiting rankings, MAC players are over-represented in the NFL. Last I looked MAC players were leading the league in rushing, receiving and tackles and a MAC alum was the reigning NFL defensive POY. Recruiting rankings have some relevance but they are based on evaluations of 15-17 year olds. By the time guys are 21 or 22 they are very different players. The big schools get a recruiting advantage by signing more guys who are physically superior, have top end speed or are huge for their position. They tend to have a better backup than a MAC school because most likely the reserve has the physical tools to do pretty well even if his technique is mediocre. Schools like Boise, UT, Houston have been able to transcend the depth issue a bit because they don't just fill out their recruiting classes with whoever and rarely lose a player to a transfer or early NFL draft status. Line Toledo up with the top half of the Big 10 and on any given night we probably have an advantage at few positions a disadvantage at 5 or 6 and are pretty even at the others. Their 2nd strong is probably a little more physical and larger. However, if we play well and hustle we hold our own. The talent and size difference is not insurmountable. In addition, if UT was playing a P5 schedule they would have 7 home games and half of the toughest opponents would be at home.