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With Hueitt, I think his defense is going to keep him off the floor for a little while. He was getting lost and was making some weird switches. He's a fantastic shooter but for a guy with his build, he really needs to make sure he's got the fundamentals down so he's scoring more than he's giving up. I think we'll see him in certain situations early in the year when we can have him defend someone who isn't a good shooter, and times when we really need a kick.

(11-06-2017 01:57 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  With Hueitt, I think his defense is going to keep him off the floor for a little while. He was getting lost and was making some weird switches. He's a fantastic shooter but for a guy with his build, he really needs to make sure he's got the fundamentals down so he's scoring more than he's giving up. I think we'll see him in certain situations early in the year when we can have him defend someone who isn't a good shooter, and times when we really need a kick.

Assuming what you stated to be true, he may do better if/when the team switches to playing zone defense. It is also possible that he is more familiar with playing zone if that is what his high school team mostly played. If I was the coach, I would be searching out ways to get him on the floor as long as he brings the 3 point shooting threat with him by making a nice percentage. His range can be big in taking help defense away from both Porter and Brandan inside, and their presence inside can likewise assist in stretching the floor to give more open looks for the outside guys. Win-win.

(11-06-2017 02:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:57 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  With Hueitt, I think his defense is going to keep him off the floor for a little while. He was getting lost and was making some weird switches. He's a fantastic shooter but for a guy with his build, he really needs to make sure he's got the fundamentals down so he's scoring more than he's giving up. I think we'll see him in certain situations early in the year when we can have him defend someone who isn't a good shooter, and times when we really need a kick.

Assuming what you stated to be true, he may do better if/when the team switches to playing zone defense. It is also possible that he is more familiar with playing zone if that is what his high school team mostly played. If I was the coach, I would be searching out ways to get him on the floor as long as he brings the 3 point shooting threat with him by making a nice percentage. His range can be big in taking help defense away from both Porter and Brandan inside, and their presence inside can likewise assist in stretching the floor to give more open looks for the outside guys. Win-win.

I think this is more of a Kah situation, but maybe to a lesser degree. He doesn't play the way JJ wants him to, and will likely not play as much as we hope for him to this season. *I have no insight on this aside from what I have seen over the last few years on the court.

(11-06-2017 02:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:57 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  With Hueitt, I think his defense is going to keep him off the floor for a little while. He was getting lost and was making some weird switches. He's a fantastic shooter but for a guy with his build, he really needs to make sure he's got the fundamentals down so he's scoring more than he's giving up. I think we'll see him in certain situations early in the year when we can have him defend someone who isn't a good shooter, and times when we really need a kick.

Assuming what you stated to be true, he may do better if/when the team switches to playing zone defense. It is also possible that he is more familiar with playing zone if that is what his high school team mostly played. If I was the coach, I would be searching out ways to get him on the floor as long as he brings the 3 point shooting threat with him by making a nice percentage. His range can be big in taking help defense away from both Porter and Brandan inside, and their presence inside can likewise assist in stretching the floor to give more open looks for the outside guys. Win-win.

It goes to whether his offense makes up for his defensive shortcomings. You don't just play guys to add offense they are bad enough on defense to be a net negative.

(11-06-2017 02:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:57 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  With Hueitt, I think his defense is going to keep him off the floor for a little while. He was getting lost and was making some weird switches. He's a fantastic shooter but for a guy with his build, he really needs to make sure he's got the fundamentals down so he's scoring more than he's giving up. I think we'll see him in certain situations early in the year when we can have him defend someone who isn't a good shooter, and times when we really need a kick.

Assuming what you stated to be true, he may do better if/when the team switches to playing zone defense. It is also possible that he is more familiar with playing zone if that is what his high school team mostly played. If I was the coach, I would be searching out ways to get him on the floor as long as he brings the 3 point shooting threat with him by making a nice percentage. His range can be big in taking help defense away from both Porter and Brandan inside, and their presence inside can likewise assist in stretching the floor to give more open looks for the outside guys. Win-win.

It goes to whether his offense makes up for his defensive shortcomings. You don't just play guys to add offense they are bad enough on defense to be a net negative.

Yes. All reports indicate that his low level on defense heavily outweighs his offense. I'm hoping with adding several games under his belt (and practice) that will become less and less an issue.

Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

At this point, I would hardly classify him as "explosive offensive." Yes, he was 50% from 3 against a D3 opponent. Am I hopeful? Yes. But I'm not going to criticize his current role until we start getting into "normal" competition. I hope in the future (even more so, short future), that this becomes a non-issue.

(11-06-2017 02:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:57 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  With Hueitt, I think his defense is going to keep him off the floor for a little while. He was getting lost and was making some weird switches. He's a fantastic shooter but for a guy with his build, he really needs to make sure he's got the fundamentals down so he's scoring more than he's giving up. I think we'll see him in certain situations early in the year when we can have him defend someone who isn't a good shooter, and times when we really need a kick.

Assuming what you stated to be true, he may do better if/when the team switches to playing zone defense. It is also possible that he is more familiar with playing zone if that is what his high school team mostly played. If I was the coach, I would be searching out ways to get him on the floor as long as he brings the 3 point shooting threat with him by making a nice percentage. His range can be big in taking help defense away from both Porter and Brandan inside, and their presence inside can likewise assist in stretching the floor to give more open looks for the outside guys. Win-win.

It goes to whether his offense makes up for his defensive shortcomings. You don't just play guys to add offense they are bad enough on defense to be a net negative.

Umm, that's why I stated what I did about both if the previous post was accurate and maybe he might perform better defensively in a zone (which allegedly Jones has been practicing).

Obviously Jones would not play a guy that gave up more points on the defensive end than they could add on the offensive end. That's simple math 101.

(11-06-2017 04:59 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:57 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  With Hueitt, I think his defense is going to keep him off the floor for a little while. He was getting lost and was making some weird switches. He's a fantastic shooter but for a guy with his build, he really needs to make sure he's got the fundamentals down so he's scoring more than he's giving up. I think we'll see him in certain situations early in the year when we can have him defend someone who isn't a good shooter, and times when we really need a kick.

Assuming what you stated to be true, he may do better if/when the team switches to playing zone defense. It is also possible that he is more familiar with playing zone if that is what his high school team mostly played. If I was the coach, I would be searching out ways to get him on the floor as long as he brings the 3 point shooting threat with him by making a nice percentage. His range can be big in taking help defense away from both Porter and Brandan inside, and their presence inside can likewise assist in stretching the floor to give more open looks for the outside guys. Win-win.

It goes to whether his offense makes up for his defensive shortcomings. You don't just play guys to add offense they are bad enough on defense to be a net negative.

Umm, that's why I stated what I did about both if the previous post was accurate and maybe he might perform better defensively in a zone (which allegedly Jones has been practicing).

Obviously Jones would not play a guy that gave up more points on the defensive end than they could add on the offensive end. That's simple math 101.

Reports state that he is equal in his man vs. zone abilities. I agree that the coaching staff need to be actively looking at solutions to place your 5 best players (at the current time) on the floor. Time will tell how he develops.

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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But then both teams will score more points, which is more exciting! In all seriousness, it will be interesting to see how he does against even competition once the scouting report is out on him.

(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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For every player it is not always solely limited to what the individual scores himself versus the other guy, i.e. - simply outscoring the guy that he is covering. If it were then players like Denzel Taylor should not have been playing much either, much less starting. Other segments of the game such as Denzel's ability to rebound and his help defense were also taken into account, and deemed to be more valuable than his ability to outscore his man.

At this point, other than his scoring, I'm not sure that Hueitt brings other such intangibles to the table to increase his value such as Denzel did. If not then it is a much simpler equation.

True, but I watched the game, Heuitt isn't bringing anything to the table early this season outside of a three point shot.

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(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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What if his ability to score from anywhere on the court and stretch the defense allows his teammates to score an additional 20 points and what if your other guy doesn't have to be guarded and allows the opponent to play 5 on 4 costing his team another 15 points. Then 15 + 20 = 35 extra points.

The hypotheticals are stupid. Can you name a player that didn't play for ODU who was a really good offensive player who couldn't get on the court because he struggled on defense?

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(11-06-2017 07:12 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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For every player it is not always solely limited to what the individual scores himself versus the other guy, i.e. - simply outscoring the guy that he is covering. If it were then players like Denzel Taylor should not have been playing much either, much less starting. Other segments of the game such as Denzel's ability to rebound and his help defense were also taken into account, and deemed to be more valuable than his ability to outscore his man.

At this point, other than his scoring, I'm not sure that Hueitt brings other such intangibles to the table to increase his value such as Denzel did. If not then it is a much simpler equation.

I would argue we would have been better last year with Brandan and Porter playing together most of the time and Kah getting meaningful minutes. You have to consider what the team needs. When Trey was scoring 1000 points per game, Denzel and JB made sense, we couldn't score to save our lives last year, not so much.

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(11-06-2017 08:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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What if his ability to score from anywhere on the court and stretch the defense allows his teammates to score an additional 20 points and what if your other guy doesn't have to be guarded and allows the opponent to play 5 on 4 costing his team another 15 points. Then 15 + 20 = 35 extra points.

The hypotheticals are stupid. Can you name a player that didn't play for ODU who was a really good offensive player who couldn't get on the court because he struggled on defense?

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I will have to think about this. Are you considering Heuit and Kah really good offensive players?

(11-06-2017 09:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 08:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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What if his ability to score from anywhere on the court and stretch the defense allows his teammates to score an additional 20 points and what if your other guy doesn't have to be guarded and allows the opponent to play 5 on 4 costing his team another 15 points. Then 15 + 20 = 35 extra points.

The hypotheticals are stupid. Can you name a player that didn't play for ODU who was a really good offensive player who couldn't get on the court because he struggled on defense?

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I will have to think about this. Are you considering Heuit and Kah really good offensive players?

Hueitt is a really good offensive player, but to play on this team, he needs to play defense. We have a lot of good offensive players.

(11-06-2017 09:15 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 08:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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What if his ability to score from anywhere on the court and stretch the defense allows his teammates to score an additional 20 points and what if your other guy doesn't have to be guarded and allows the opponent to play 5 on 4 costing his team another 15 points. Then 15 + 20 = 35 extra points.

The hypotheticals are stupid. Can you name a player that didn't play for ODU who was a really good offensive player who couldn't get on the court because he struggled on defense?

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I will have to think about this. Are you considering Heuit and Kah really good offensive players?

Hueitt is a really good offensive player, but to play on this team, he needs to play defense. We have a lot of good offensive players.

I mean, he might end up really good, but is he any better than Ambrose Mosely at this point?

(11-06-2017 09:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 08:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Why are we the only program that I have ever seen relegate explosive offensive players to the bench for an entire year because they don't play defense well enough? This is not normal behavior, and yet everyone is just like "Yep, doesn't play defense good enough, can't play. Makes perfect sense to me".

If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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What if his ability to score from anywhere on the court and stretch the defense allows his teammates to score an additional 20 points and what if your other guy doesn't have to be guarded and allows the opponent to play 5 on 4 costing his team another 15 points. Then 15 + 20 = 35 extra points.

The hypotheticals are stupid. Can you name a player that didn't play for ODU who was a really good offensive player who couldn't get on the court because he struggled on defense?

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I will have to think about this. Are you considering Heuit and Kah really good offensive players?

Its obviously too early to say whether Hueitt is or not, but it certainly appears he could be an energizer off the bench at the least. As for Kah, again its hard to say because JJ wouldn't play him, but based on the little he did play it appeared that compared to the rest of the team he was among the strongest offensive players.

To add to the hypotheticals, what if the other team is able to rebound better because they are packing everybody in instead of guarding Denzel and JB? What if Hueitt hits back to back 3s and it sparks a run where Haynes and Godwin feed off of it and get hot too. There are so many ways to extrapolate that of is impossible to argue whether Denzel was more helpful to the outcome than Kah would have been or Baker was more helpful than Haynes would have been. I do find it odd though that people seem to be totally okay with a guy who plays good defense and no offense, but frown upon guys who are good on offense and play no defense. Neither is ideal, but on a team that struggles to score the offense guy seems to make more sense and on a team that can't defend the defensive guy would make more sense.

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(11-06-2017 09:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:15 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 08:06 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 06:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  If a player scores 12 and gives up 20, he's not as valuable as a player who scores 8 and gives up 6. In fact, the less flashy player nets us a +10 point advantage.

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What if his ability to score from anywhere on the court and stretch the defense allows his teammates to score an additional 20 points and what if your other guy doesn't have to be guarded and allows the opponent to play 5 on 4 costing his team another 15 points. Then 15 + 20 = 35 extra points.

The hypotheticals are stupid. Can you name a player that didn't play for ODU who was a really good offensive player who couldn't get on the court because he struggled on defense?

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I will have to think about this. Are you considering Heuit and Kah really good offensive players?

Hueitt is a really good offensive player, but to play on this team, he needs to play defense. We have a lot of good offensive players.

I mean, he might end up really good, but is he any better than Ambrose Mosely at this point?

Offensively....YES.