I am completely confused how UL has the "OPTION" to reinstating a player they cheated to get.

I totally understand the kid shouldn't be punished but this ESPN article makes it appear that the player can stay on board at UL.

Where is the punishment for UL's transgressions?

This stuff is out of control and simply nonsense.

Article:

Louisville freshman Brian Bowen has been cleared by the FBI, Bowen's lawyer told the Louisville Courier-Journal on Thursday.

The school now has the option to consider reinstating Bowen, whom it suspended following the FBI investigation into corruption in college basketball.

Through a school spokesman, Louisville declined to comment to ESPN, citing the ongoing federal investigation. Bowen has remained enrolled at the school.

Federal documents allege that Adidas funneled $100,000 to an unnamed player -- later identified as Bowen -- to sign with Louisville, at the request of a Cardinals coach.

Bowen's lawyer has maintained his client was not privy to the bribe, which allegedly went to Brian Bowen Sr.

"Brian was not aware of any of the alleged activities," Jason Setchen told the Courier-Journal, "and it is our position that he has not violated any NCAA rules or bylaws. ... It is unfair to Brian or any student-athlete to try and punish them for actions of others who are not in their control."

Bowen was a five-star prospect in the 2017 class, and signed with Louisville in early June.

Since the FBI bombshell in late September, Louisville has fired head Rick Pitino and assistant coach Jordan Fair, and put assistant coach Kenny Johnson on paid administrative leave. Athletic director Tom Jurich was also fired with cause last month.

David Padgett was named interim head coach for the 2017-18 season.

Louisville plays its first regular-season game on Nov. 12 against George Mason.

(11-02-2017 08:03 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  I am completely confused how UL has the "OPTION" to reinstating a player they cheated to get.

I totally understand the kid shouldn't be punished but this ESPN article makes it appear that the player can stay on board at UL.

Where is the punishment for UL's transgressions?

This stuff is out of control and simply nonsense.

Article:

Louisville freshman Brian Bowen has been cleared by the FBI, Bowen's lawyer told the Louisville Courier-Journal on Thursday.

The school now has the option to consider reinstating Bowen, whom it suspended following the FBI investigation into corruption in college basketball.

Through a school spokesman, Louisville declined to comment to ESPN, citing the ongoing federal investigation. Bowen has remained enrolled at the school.

Federal documents allege that Adidas funneled $100,000 to an unnamed player -- later identified as Bowen -- to sign with Louisville, at the request of a Cardinals coach.

Bowen's lawyer has maintained his client was not privy to the bribe, which allegedly went to Brian Bowen Sr.

"Brian was not aware of any of the alleged activities," Jason Setchen told the Courier-Journal, "and it is our position that he has not violated any NCAA rules or bylaws. ... It is unfair to Brian or any student-athlete to try and punish them for actions of others who are not in their control."

Bowen was a five-star prospect in the 2017 class, and signed with Louisville in early June.

Since the FBI bombshell in late September, Louisville has fired head Rick Pitino and assistant coach Jordan Fair, and put assistant coach Kenny Johnson on paid administrative leave. Athletic director Tom Jurich was also fired with cause last month.

David Padgett was named interim head coach for the 2017-18 season.

Louisville plays its first regular-season game on Nov. 12 against George Mason.

Some schools are choosing to sit the players involved. Since it’s not yet an NCAA matter (which is crazy) they can choose to play them and face possible penalties later.

(11-02-2017 08:14 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:03 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  I am completely confused how UL has the "OPTION" to reinstating a player they cheated to get.

I totally understand the kid shouldn't be punished but this ESPN article makes it appear that the player can stay on board at UL.

Where is the punishment for UL's transgressions?

This stuff is out of control and simply nonsense.

Article:

Louisville freshman Brian Bowen has been cleared by the FBI, Bowen's lawyer told the Louisville Courier-Journal on Thursday.

The school now has the option to consider reinstating Bowen, whom it suspended following the FBI investigation into corruption in college basketball.

Through a school spokesman, Louisville declined to comment to ESPN, citing the ongoing federal investigation. Bowen has remained enrolled at the school.

Federal documents allege that Adidas funneled $100,000 to an unnamed player -- later identified as Bowen -- to sign with Louisville, at the request of a Cardinals coach.

Bowen's lawyer has maintained his client was not privy to the bribe, which allegedly went to Brian Bowen Sr.

"Brian was not aware of any of the alleged activities," Jason Setchen told the Courier-Journal, "and it is our position that he has not violated any NCAA rules or bylaws. ... It is unfair to Brian or any student-athlete to try and punish them for actions of others who are not in their control."

Bowen was a five-star prospect in the 2017 class, and signed with Louisville in early June.

Since the FBI bombshell in late September, Louisville has fired head Rick Pitino and assistant coach Jordan Fair, and put assistant coach Kenny Johnson on paid administrative leave. Athletic director Tom Jurich was also fired with cause last month.

David Padgett was named interim head coach for the 2017-18 season.

Louisville plays its first regular-season game on Nov. 12 against George Mason.

Some schools are choosing to sit the players involved. Since it’s not yet an NCAA matter (which is crazy) they can choose to play them and face possible penalties later.

WOW.

Seems like a responsible college would advise the kid to choose another school and move on.

This stuff is just getting sicker by the day

We should all boycott Nike and Adidas

We should buy Puma and Tretorn's from the 80s

Why shouldn't the kid be punished? He didn't know anything about the money?

Derrick Rose didn't know that someone else took the SAT for him.

Yeah....That's the ticket!

(11-02-2017 08:51 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Derrick Rose didn't know that someone else took the SAT for him.

Yeah....That's the ticket!

He MAY not have. He goes to take the test, while another student also enters the room and takes the test under his name. Both submit their test and the proctor shreds the real Derrick's test and sends in the one taken by the fake Derrick.
I am not saying that's what happened, but it is possible.

There is no way he should ever play for UL if cash was paid to ANYONE for him to sign with UL. And, if his dad took money, it is not unreasonable for the kid to suffer some
punishment such as the loss of his first year. (You could even just make him transfer to another school and still have 4 years.). But, there is no way that UL should benefit from his services (and maybe no other Adidas school.)

(11-02-2017 08:47 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Why shouldn't the kid be punished? He didn't know anything about the money?

Got some ocean front property for sale outside of Phoenix and i will give you a great price.

(11-02-2017 08:51 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Derrick Rose didn't know that someone else took the SAT for him.

Yeah....That's the ticket!

According to the NCAA no one did.

(11-02-2017 09:35 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:51 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Derrick Rose didn't know that someone else took the SAT for him.

Yeah....That's the ticket!

He MAY not have. He goes to take the test, while another student also enters the room and takes the test under his name. Both submit their test and the proctor shreds the real Derrick's test and sends in the one taken by the fake Derrick.
I am not saying that's what happened, but it is possible.

This happened at my HS, not naming names, but I will say something on this level did happen and not even necessarily for athletic purposes. I was solicited once to take ACT for cash under someone else's name.

(11-02-2017 11:33 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:35 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:51 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Derrick Rose didn't know that someone else took the SAT for him.

Yeah....That's the ticket!

He MAY not have. He goes to take the test, while another student also enters the room and takes the test under his name. Both submit their test and the proctor shreds the real Derrick's test and sends in the one taken by the fake Derrick.
I am not saying that's what happened, but it is possible.

This happened at my HS, not naming names, but I will say something on this level did happen and not even necessarily for athletic purposes. I was solicited once to take ACT for cash under someone else's name.

How much cash?

Not enough.

(11-02-2017 10:55 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:51 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Derrick Rose didn't know that someone else took the SAT for him.

Yeah....That's the ticket!

According to the NCAA no one did.

True. And yet we had to vacate a historic season and Final Four, over something that was never proven. The FBI said this guy's dad took $100,000 from Adidas and Louisville orchestrated the whole thing. Yet he can play? It just goes to show that the P5 schools will be protected at all costs while the rest of us will be hammered for much less. I am really getting turned off to college basketball.

I think this is all a question of jurisdiction.

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation for bribery & fraud.
The Bowen kid won't do any jail time, or pay a fine if the FBI can't establish that he orchestrated the bribe/fraud, his father did.

Assuming that the FBI can show that someone at the university of Louisville was complicit in the bribery/fraud, then I would think that the NCAA would not allow him to play for Louisville. This should also influence the NCAA's decision on Louisville's punishment.

As for the Bowen kid's eligibility to play college BB....
There is a precedent where an athlete was retained eligibility despite bribery/fraud committed on his behalf, but without the player's knowledge.

Albert Means. He was allowed to complete his eligibility with the Tigers football team.

Ii simply worth the risk. Loserville is going to stink this year without Pitino. This kid gives them some hope.

The kid doesn't care. He is going to the NBA.

Why not?

(11-03-2017 09:51 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  I think this is all a question of jurisdiction.

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation for bribery & fraud.
The Bowen kid won't do any jail time, or pay a fine if the FBI can't establish that he orchestrated the bribe/fraud, his father did.

Assuming that the FBI can show that someone at the university of Louisville was complicit in the bribery/fraud, then I would think that the NCAA would not allow him to play for Louisville. This should also influence the NCAA's decision on Louisville's punishment.

As for the Bowen kid's eligibility to play college BB....
There is a precedent where an athlete was retained eligibility despite bribery/fraud committed on his behalf, but without the player's knowledge.

Albert Means. He was allowed to complete his eligibility with the Tigers football team.

Apples & Oranges comparison

Means left BAMA after it was exposed

(11-04-2017 01:11 AM)Cletus Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 09:51 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  I think this is all a question of jurisdiction.

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation for bribery & fraud.
The Bowen kid won't do any jail time, or pay a fine if the FBI can't establish that he orchestrated the bribe/fraud, his father did.

Assuming that the FBI can show that someone at the university of Louisville was complicit in the bribery/fraud, then I would think that the NCAA would not allow him to play for Louisville. This should also influence the NCAA's decision on Louisville's punishment.

As for the Bowen kid's eligibility to play college BB....
There is a precedent where an athlete was retained eligibility despite bribery/fraud committed on his behalf, but without the player's knowledge.

Albert Means. He was allowed to complete his eligibility with the Tigers football team.

Apples & Oranges comparison

Means left BAMA after it was exposed

Bowen can play college BB, just not at Louisville. That makes it apples to apples.

(11-03-2017 09:51 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  I think this is all a question of jurisdiction.

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation for bribery & fraud.
The Bowen kid won't do any jail time, or pay a fine if the FBI can't establish that he orchestrated the bribe/fraud, his father did.

Assuming that the FBI can show that someone at the university of Louisville was complicit in the bribery/fraud, then I would think that the NCAA would not allow him to play for Louisville. This should also influence the NCAA's decision on Louisville's punishment.

As for the Bowen kid's eligibility to play college BB....
There is a precedent where an athlete was retained eligibility despite bribery/fraud committed on his behalf, but without the player's knowledge.

Albert Means. He was allowed to complete his eligibility with the Tigers football team.

When asked if we played an ineligible player, our legal representative said “yes”. That was the end of our conversation with the NCAA.

Check through the transcripts and see if Louisville or North Carolina made the same admission.

(11-04-2017 07:24 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 09:51 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  I think this is all a question of jurisdiction.

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation for bribery & fraud.
The Bowen kid won't do any jail time, or pay a fine if the FBI can't establish that he orchestrated the bribe/fraud, his father did.

Assuming that the FBI can show that someone at the university of Louisville was complicit in the bribery/fraud, then I would think that the NCAA would not allow him to play for Louisville. This should also influence the NCAA's decision on Louisville's punishment.

As for the Bowen kid's eligibility to play college BB....
There is a precedent where an athlete was retained eligibility despite bribery/fraud committed on his behalf, but without the player's knowledge.

Albert Means. He was allowed to complete his eligibility with the Tigers football team.

When asked if we played an ineligible player, our legal representative said “yes”. That was the end of our conversation with the NCAA.

Check through the transcripts and see if Louisville or North Carolina made the same admission.

To this day I still can't believe what a f*****g idiot Lipman was. Her moronic handling of that was quite different from how Kansas handled Darrel Arthur.

Quote:"This is something that I told administration about back when it first occurred. They brushed it aside."

The station said the NCAA told its reporter that if a player is found to be ineligible, his college team might have to forfeit any or all games involving that student.

However, Jim Marchiony, KU's associate athletic director for external affairs, said he believed that the investigation into Arthur would not affect the school's basketball program.

"There's nothing right now that says anything improper occurred," he said. "I think we have to start from that perspective. Right now, all that's out there is the word of a former teacher.
"In our mind, we obviously had nothing to do with the situation. The high school sends the transcript to the NCAA. The NCAA decides whether the player is eligible. The NCAA declared Darrell Arthur eligible. I can't imagine a scenario where Kansas would be affected by this."

I can't think of another situation where a school got screwed as badly as us. It is incredible.