(11-02-2017 11:29 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:09 PM)TTT Wrote:  Question: what's the avg. # of Tues/wed night each MAC team has per season? I mean they aren't playing EVERY game of theirs on weekdays right?

Sorry. Let me be more clear.

EVERY SINGLE GAME PLAYED BY A MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE TEAM FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF NOVEMBER IS ON A WEEKDAY. EVERY TEAM PARTICIPATES. IT IS MANDATORY.

I hope you can understand why I don't find this appealing.

Wow, I just looked and was surprised that all the MAC games for this week were already played. Had no idea this was for the rest of the season.

That sucks. Not worth it.

If every team played one home game each season on a weekday, I could get behind it. More than that would require a huge influx of cash per school to make it worth it. For example, If ODU played every game on a Tuesday or Thursday it would likely cost us over $1.5 million in ticket revenue alone, in addition to fans not being able to enjoy the games, concessions, drop in donations etc. Of course, it wouldn't be every game, but even if ESPN offered up our old contract of $1.2 million per school for us each to play 2 home weeknight games a season it would be a toss up. I'd probably support it for the exposure. Problem is, thats not likely to happen and less than that isn't worth it.

Sunday Brunch Game of the Week: 9 a.m. start on one of the ESPNs to whet the football appetite of those for whom 1 p.m.-midnight isn't enough (which is most red-blooded Americans, thank you).

Doesn't matter MSESPN going out of business soon and even P5 Football will be streamed on Facebook and Twitter next 10 years....Bubble getting ready to pop for everyone....

(11-03-2017 01:09 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Sunday Brunch Game of the Week: 9 a.m. start on one of the ESPNs to whet the football appetite of those for whom 1 p.m.-midnight isn't enough (which is most red-blooded Americans, thank you).

We kicked off a home game with K-State at 10:30am in 2005.

(11-03-2017 08:03 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:29 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:09 PM)TTT Wrote:  Question: what's the avg. # of Tues/wed night each MAC team has per season? I mean they aren't playing EVERY game of theirs on weekdays right?

Sorry. Let me be more clear.

EVERY SINGLE GAME PLAYED BY A MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE TEAM FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF NOVEMBER IS ON A WEEKDAY. EVERY TEAM PARTICIPATES. IT IS MANDATORY.

I hope you can understand why I don't find this appealing.

Wow, I just looked and was surprised that all the MAC games for this week were already played. Had no idea this was for the rest of the season.

That sucks. Not worth it.

+1000.

(11-03-2017 12:31 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  The one person that could probably give a halfway factual answer. The AD of each of our schools and they usually have a email address or twitter. I say halfway factual because I never met a AD that actually told the truth...well the whole truth

We can argue about this till we are blue in the face and still everything (at least 99%) will be based on opinion. Or maybe it's a good way to get in a fire Judy.

Maybe we can get a fan from each school to send a email to their AD or asst AD asking this question and then post the answers.

Lets be honest here....why would fans want the rest of the world (or at least the 2451 fans that would watch) to see the awful product we are producing week after week? Some will say it helps recruiting but if that were the case...

the MAC and SBC would have recruiting classes ahead of CUSA

I just took a quick look at 2018 and 2017 and the top 4 in CUSA and top 4 in SBC

number of 3 star players and the average rating for each player in the class

2018
Western 15 81.28
UTSA 10 80.48
TECH 11 81.07
S.Miss 7 80.4
________________________
APPY 9 79.08
ARK ST 6 79.39
Texas ST 5 78.15
GAST 5 78.59
-------------------------------
UWM 17 82.08
Toledo 12 80.89
N. ILL 9 78.87
BG 6 79.82



2017
FAU 18 82.14
S.Miss 16 80.87
UTSA 17 80.81
Western 11 79.79
________________________
Texas St 10 79.17
Troy 6 79.29
ULM 9 78.63
GAST 8 79.34
__________________________
Toledo 18 80.82
BG 13 79.73
UWM 13 79.79
Ball St 11 79.15

Toledo's Kareem Hunt was a .803 recruit. 2017 Unitas Award Finalist QB Logan Woodside ranking was .804.

(11-05-2017 08:32 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 12:31 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  The one person that could probably give a halfway factual answer. The AD of each of our schools and they usually have a email address or twitter. I say halfway factual because I never met a AD that actually told the truth...well the whole truth

We can argue about this till we are blue in the face and still everything (at least 99%) will be based on opinion. Or maybe it's a good way to get in a fire Judy.

Maybe we can get a fan from each school to send a email to their AD or asst AD asking this question and then post the answers.

Lets be honest here....why would fans want the rest of the world (or at least the 2451 fans that would watch) to see the awful product we are producing week after week? Some will say it helps recruiting but if that were the case...

the MAC and SBC would have recruiting classes ahead of CUSA

I just took a quick look at 2018 and 2017 and the top 4 in CUSA and top 4 in SBC

number of 3 star players and the average rating for each player in the class

2018
Western 15 81.28
UTSA 10 80.48
TECH 11 81.07
S.Miss 7 80.4
________________________
APPY 9 79.08
ARK ST 6 79.39
Texas ST 5 78.15
GAST 5 78.59
-------------------------------
UWM 17 82.08
Toledo 12 80.89
N. ILL 9 78.87
BG 6 79.82



2017
FAU 18 82.14
S.Miss 16 80.87
UTSA 17 80.81
Western 11 79.79
________________________
Texas St 10 79.17
Troy 6 79.29
ULM 9 78.63
GAST 8 79.34
__________________________
Toledo 18 80.82
BG 13 79.73
UWM 13 79.79
Ball St 11 79.15

Toledo's Kareem Hunt was a .803 recruit. 2017 Unitas Award Finalist QB Logan Woodside ranking was .804.

The average is for the class...I did not go through what each player is rated. As a matter of fact...did not look at it.

Just the number of 3star players and class average

(11-06-2017 02:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 08:32 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 12:31 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  The one person that could probably give a halfway factual answer. The AD of each of our schools and they usually have a email address or twitter. I say halfway factual because I never met a AD that actually told the truth...well the whole truth

We can argue about this till we are blue in the face and still everything (at least 99%) will be based on opinion. Or maybe it's a good way to get in a fire Judy.

Maybe we can get a fan from each school to send a email to their AD or asst AD asking this question and then post the answers.

Lets be honest here....why would fans want the rest of the world (or at least the 2451 fans that would watch) to see the awful product we are producing week after week? Some will say it helps recruiting but if that were the case...

the MAC and SBC would have recruiting classes ahead of CUSA

I just took a quick look at 2018 and 2017 and the top 4 in CUSA and top 4 in SBC

number of 3 star players and the average rating for each player in the class

2018
Western 15 81.28
UTSA 10 80.48
TECH 11 81.07
S.Miss 7 80.4
________________________
APPY 9 79.08
ARK ST 6 79.39
Texas ST 5 78.15
GAST 5 78.59
-------------------------------
UWM 17 82.08
Toledo 12 80.89
N. ILL 9 78.87
BG 6 79.82



2017
FAU 18 82.14
S.Miss 16 80.87
UTSA 17 80.81
Western 11 79.79
________________________
Texas St 10 79.17
Troy 6 79.29
ULM 9 78.63
GAST 8 79.34
__________________________
Toledo 18 80.82
BG 13 79.73
UWM 13 79.79
Ball St 11 79.15

Toledo's Kareem Hunt was a .803 recruit. 2017 Unitas Award Finalist QB Logan Woodside ranking was .804.

The average is for the class...I did not go through what each player is rated. As a matter of fact...did not look at it.

Just the number of 3star players and class average

My point is the numbers don't mean much. 3 star RB's, WR's, DB's are easier to come by. A quality 3 star DT much harder to find. The system really doesn't differentiate.
Also it doesn't really factor in whether you've met the team's needs or you're just padding the recruiting class ranking number.
Plenty of non sequiturs in recruiting.

(11-06-2017 04:18 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 02:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-05-2017 08:32 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 12:31 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  The one person that could probably give a halfway factual answer. The AD of each of our schools and they usually have a email address or twitter. I say halfway factual because I never met a AD that actually told the truth...well the whole truth

We can argue about this till we are blue in the face and still everything (at least 99%) will be based on opinion. Or maybe it's a good way to get in a fire Judy.

Maybe we can get a fan from each school to send a email to their AD or asst AD asking this question and then post the answers.

Lets be honest here....why would fans want the rest of the world (or at least the 2451 fans that would watch) to see the awful product we are producing week after week? Some will say it helps recruiting but if that were the case...

the MAC and SBC would have recruiting classes ahead of CUSA

I just took a quick look at 2018 and 2017 and the top 4 in CUSA and top 4 in SBC

number of 3 star players and the average rating for each player in the class

2018
Western 15 81.28
UTSA 10 80.48
TECH 11 81.07
S.Miss 7 80.4
________________________
APPY 9 79.08
ARK ST 6 79.39
Texas ST 5 78.15
GAST 5 78.59
-------------------------------
UWM 17 82.08
Toledo 12 80.89
N. ILL 9 78.87
BG 6 79.82



2017
FAU 18 82.14
S.Miss 16 80.87
UTSA 17 80.81
Western 11 79.79
________________________
Texas St 10 79.17
Troy 6 79.29
ULM 9 78.63
GAST 8 79.34
__________________________
Toledo 18 80.82
BG 13 79.73
UWM 13 79.79
Ball St 11 79.15

Toledo's Kareem Hunt was a .803 recruit. 2017 Unitas Award Finalist QB Logan Woodside ranking was .804.

The average is for the class...I did not go through what each player is rated. As a matter of fact...did not look at it.

Just the number of 3star players and class average

My point is the numbers don't mean much. 3 star RB's, WR's, DB's are easier to come by. A quality 3 star DT much harder to find. The system really doesn't differentiate.
Also it doesn't really factor in whether you've met the team's needs or you're just padding the recruiting class ranking number.
Plenty of non sequiturs in recruiting.

You dont have to argue with me that these "star ratings" don't mean much. I probably think they mean even less than you. Even if my school is currently tops in CUSA.

I put little to no stock in them...

recruiting to your system is way more important than a kid being bigger or stronger in HS. Once they get in college even those 2 stars that were not seen as often work their way up in size and strength

So here is the question: if it was determined that your school could make more revenue from playing week games with a TV deal than what your school makes without a tv deal and playing on weekends would you still not be in favor of that tv deal?

I want whatever is going to give my school/conference the most money and exposure. Right now we aren't getting EITHER. We can't sit around waiting for a TV deal that will allow us to play a lot of weekend games on ACTUAL tv...it will never happen because those leftover tv spots on weekends (that aren't being used for P5 games) are already filled:

-ESPN networks- filled up their last weekend spots with AAC and MWC games. CUSA doesn't have the branding or bargaining power to usurp either of those conferences for that particular spot and the AAC/MWC isn't going anywhere

-CBSSports- their weekend slots are already televising P5, AAC, and MWC games. CUSA might have a random once in a blue moon conference matchup on CBSSports but in reality...if they have a chance they will ALWAYS televise a P5, AAC, or MWC game instead ESPECIALLY if there are ranked teams involved

-FS1- doesn't want anything to do with CUSA
-FSN networks - more regional games in favor of P5 games

What other tv slot that's on the WEEKEND are we waiting for because there is not one and will not be one for a looooong time. So our only hope is to make a deal with ESPN... have all WEEKEND games on ESPN3, an occasional tues or wed or thurs night TELEVISED game. If our conference happens to improve to the point where we have multiple ranked teams than those games would undoubtedly replace the non ranked AAC/MWC games that are televised on WEEKENDS.

(11-02-2017 07:28 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  ESPN offered the MAC national exposure in these slots. The MAC didn't tell ESPN to go pound sand... CUSA did.. you reap what you sow.

It was mostly the teams in the AAC that told ESPN to go pound sand. Seems if they want to be pissy, they should be so with the ACK. Renegotiate with CUSA if possible. In any case, it is definitely frustrating. I think its safe to say this conference is not what any of us signed up for at this point. National exposure, most games on TV, multiple bid league in hoops, $1 million dollar per school media deal. Yeah right. None of that is reality any more.

As a fan ask yourself this question before saying that you hate the current "deal"

Is it easier to see your team play more often 2017 than it was 2015?

We all talk about the $1,000,000 each of our schools are no longer getting. I'm not saying that isn't important but not many of us (actually probably a very tiny tiny %) will put that above our own self interest. You can see this from reading this board daily about fans B1tching about $10 a month to get CUSATV.....$10 a month to watch 5 or 6 football game or 10+ basketball games.

So are we really that worried about our school no longer getting that million dollars each year? I don't think many will put that before their self interest. So again let move back to the question I asked....

do you get to sit at home and watch your team play more often in 2017 than in 2015, or 2014?

You might have to go find out how to see the game and punch a few extra buttons and spend 10 extra minutes getting it to load up. But you can go down the list and there is not one school that had more games shown (that a fan could sit at home or in a bar) they could watch in 2015 (any point before that) compared to 2017 .

Now you might have to pay a few dollars each month to get some of the games. But if you are Bitching about spending $10 to $20 a month to see your team play 1 to 4 games in football and probably 3 to 6 in basketball....

you're not really worried about the money your school is not getting. There's not 1 home game that I can get in to see Western play for $10-$20. So if you are crying about spending that amount to view away games (most likely home games also) you are probably not buying season tickets.....

if you are not a season ticket holder (the most important thing we can do as a fan) why would you care about TV dollars? You wouldn't.

That is not address at any one person.....just my views from reading this board and others. Self interest is always going to be #1 for fans. It might not be "TV" but if that was so important how many of you want to go back to 2010,2011.2012,2013,2014

when streaming was not as common

This thread blows my mind. CUSA made a massive mistake during 2.0 as others have said. Now let me try to make sense of the rest of what's being said here.

Ok, so the argument is, if we agree to play on weeknights for exposure, we will take a hit at the gate.........think real hard on this for a moment. There is a couple of reasons that is a joke.

1. 75% of this conference doesn't draw flies even on Saturdays. How many average more than 20K in the stands or ticket sales for Saturday games? So if you can draw, lets say 16K ticket sales for Saturday, and that drops to 14K for a Wednesday game, what difference would that make? What are you sacrificing to gain 2K more tickets at 5-10$ a ticket......

2. This conference is a shell of its former self, it has no appeal right now, so to climb the ladder you have to start somewhere. If ESPN came to us and said we will give you 200K per school if you will play games during the week, it would be insane to say no to that. No it isn't a lot of money, but again, you have to start somewhere to regain some foothold in air time.

How many games get aired, show 5 fans in the stands as it is right now? That's embarrassing. If we all averaged over 20K on Saturdays, I would agree that midweek games would cost most schools revenue, but that just isn't the case. So please, help me understand what the friggin argument is here. Hell, we are already giving them some of our prime games for FREE, and what days are those being played on? Weekdays..........