(11-01-2017 04:19 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 08:43 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote:  

(10-13-2017 08:28 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Well, ESPN isn't going to be the answer either. Revenue losses year over year each quarter are accelerating and Disney continues to force cuts at the network. The money is only going to go to a select few in the future. The TV money is gone forever.

Must disagree. CUSA small TV revenue could assist ESPN. Essentially getting a product for nothing. Most likely mean week day games. Based on everyone’s attendance it wouldn’t matter. Exposure, this conference needs exposure. Sunbelt has better exposure. Embarrassing

Is it a mark of success when an individual school's conference TV revenues doesnt quite match the salary of a single 7th year lawyer at a large New York / California law firm?

And that salary is just "getting by" in Cali and NYC.

Why does Judy make over $700k? Why can’t she make $200k like our TV deal?

Judy is a total flop as commissioner and she should be replaced immediately. CUSA needs a dynamic, competent commissioner at the helm as we head into the coming turbulent years of change in the college sports landscape. The end of network mega payouts to conferences will change everything, and how we, as a conference, respond to these changes will determine whether there will even be a CUSA in the future. Right now, I think that even the Sun Belt has better leadership than does CUSA. The time is NOW for our presidents to step up and make a change.

Here's an interesting article re: Judy whilst AD at Tulsa

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/judgi...5fee3.html

One thing for certain is that BB left when he knew the tv contract was going to really, really suck. He had to be a part of that negotiation. He was also responsible for the period of expansion. So this is not all on Judy. I do wish she came across as a stronger personality but that's not going to change. I just don't think she is the right person to be in her position. Has nothing to do with her gender, just the way she comes across as someone who would much rather be doing something, anything, else.

Banowsky is the primary person behind the contract. He handed Judy a bag of **** and said good luck I'm out.

His failure to deliver on TV is the reason he left. His days would have been numbered either way.

I don't think Judy is the right person for the job, but Banowsky deserves the TV blame - particularly for focusing on markets during expansion of programs that are an after thought in those markets.

(11-02-2017 09:53 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Banowsky is the primary person behind the contract. He handed Judy a bag of **** and said good luck I'm out.

His failure to deliver on TV is the reason he left. His days would have been numbered either way.

I don't think Judy is the right person for the job, but Banowsky deserves the TV blame - particularly for focusing on markets during expansion of programs that are an after thought in those markets.

Which markets are we talking about exactly?

Well, the "market" thing is now pretty much a red herring if FAU and FIU continue their upward trend:

UTSA - Bowl team
ODU - Bowl team and decent in basketball. Football is receding a bit this year.
FAU - Appears to be turning the corner in football and should make a bowl.
FIU - See FAU
UNT - Seems to be improving with football but have been a bowl team recently and should be this year as well.
WKU - Nothing needs to be said here. Basketball is pretty good and football should make a bowl this year.
MTSU - See WKU. Football has been obliterated with injuries, but if they get Stock back, they could make a bowl.
LA Tech - Football has been good and basketball is strong. Another bowl team this year.

And then there's Charlotte.

So, the add-ons are performing well overall.

Georgia Southern one of the teams some fans said should replace a market school...

this year and last

0-7
5-7

If anyone watched the SBC over the last 2 years Arkst would have took 3 or 4 in conference losses each of those years. So they would have been 5-7 or at best 6-6. Appalachian State would have been the only SBC team to compete but not for the conference championship. Their weakness would have been like every other CUSA school...

Brandon Doughty
Mike White
Ace Wales
Brohm

Same with Tech on the western side of the conference....good offensive passing teams would have killed Appy St

So the hot team today might not be that tomorrow. Got to stop looking at things in a 3 to 4 year window

(11-02-2017 11:46 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, the "market" thing is now pretty much a red herring if FAU and FIU continue their upward trend:

So, the add-ons are performing well overall.

It's not just about football. I get that a large portion of TV revenue is driven by football, but a conference's brand (which also drives TV exec motivations) is also heavily impacted by basketball. Football may have driven a lot of decisions inside the game of realignment and consolidation, but this league's leadership took its eye off the ball regarding how important basketball is in maintaining brand equity within a league.

Back to the weeknight issue. This was Kalamazoo last night in the third qtr. Why do we want to do this to ourselves just to be on ESPN2?

Week night games should be VERY,VERY limited and never on Tuesday or Wednesday.MAC has sold-out.

(11-02-2017 12:06 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:46 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, the "market" thing is now pretty much a red herring if FAU and FIU continue their upward trend:

So, the add-ons are performing well overall.

It's not just about football. I get that a large portion of TV revenue is driven by football, but a conference's brand (which also drives TV exec motivations) is also heavily impacted by basketball. Football may have driven a lot of decisions inside the game of realignment and consolidation, but this league's leadership took its eye off the ball regarding how important basketball is in maintaining brand equity within a league.

So who would you have rather had in place of UTSA, UNT, FAU, and FIU?

South Alabama, Ga. State, Arky State and Laffy? The only one that brings decent football to the table is Arky State and while basketball is important, we couldn't lure anyone left with decent enough basketball to move the needle at all than who the conference chose.

(11-02-2017 02:06 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 12:06 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:46 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, the "market" thing is now pretty much a red herring if FAU and FIU continue their upward trend:

So, the add-ons are performing well overall.

It's not just about football. I get that a large portion of TV revenue is driven by football, but a conference's brand (which also drives TV exec motivations) is also heavily impacted by basketball. Football may have driven a lot of decisions inside the game of realignment and consolidation, but this league's leadership took its eye off the ball regarding how important basketball is in maintaining brand equity within a league.

So who would you have rather had in place of UTSA, UNT, FAU, and FIU?

South Alabama, Ga. State, Arky State and Laffy? The only one that brings decent football to the table is Arky State and while basketball is important, we couldn't lure anyone left with decent enough basketball to move the needle at all than who the conference chose.

Well, let's first remember that all those school except FAU plus Charlotte and ODU were added before MT and wkcc. Going to 14 never should have happened.

(11-02-2017 02:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 02:06 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 12:06 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 11:46 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, the "market" thing is now pretty much a red herring if FAU and FIU continue their upward trend:

So, the add-ons are performing well overall.

It's not just about football. I get that a large portion of TV revenue is driven by football, but a conference's brand (which also drives TV exec motivations) is also heavily impacted by basketball. Football may have driven a lot of decisions inside the game of realignment and consolidation, but this league's leadership took its eye off the ball regarding how important basketball is in maintaining brand equity within a league.

So who would you have rather had in place of UTSA, UNT, FAU, and FIU?

South Alabama, Ga. State, Arky State and Laffy? The only one that brings decent football to the table is Arky State and while basketball is important, we couldn't lure anyone left with decent enough basketball to move the needle at all than who the conference chose.

Well, let's first remember that all those school except FAU plus Charlotte and ODU were added before MT and wkcc. Going to 14 never should have happened.

THAT I agree with. But I'm not going to venture a comment on who shouldn't have been added.

UTSA was the only school added that did not bring something to the table other than Market....at that time. Or at least some part of a proven sports program

UNT had shown some decent football early in the SBC but had fallen when they got the invite in I believe 2011 (had to play 2012 in SBC)and basketball was coming off 6 straight winning season and 6 out of 7 20 or more wins. Plus you have a travel partner for Rice and a team in great recruiting area.

FIU had went to back to back bowl games and a conference championship when they got their invite...plus it's south Fla. again ties into a great recruiting area

ODU had great fan support for both football & basketball and a strong 1aa program. But ODU was and is a basketball, market add. Again a great recruiting area to be in.

UNCC old time CUSA member with a good history in basketball...CUSA was built on basketball so adding a former member even one that has to add football was a easy choice. Sure it hasn't worked out like those voting to add them thought it would. But at some point basketball will get back to where it once was. Football is probably years away. But I'm sure that was expected.

Middle (like UNT) basically begged to join CUSA for a few years and being a good all round sports program and with in spitting distant of Nashville made them the next one up. Plus they were coming off 2 great years of basketball.

FAU was not the choice to be last one added (until someone else left)...I have it from a coach that was told by the President of Western. Western would be moving (added) to CUSA with in a couple weeks. Funny thing happened the vote was delayed...FIU wanted a travel partner and while Western had basketball program that would fit CUSA worlds better. Western was just starting to win in football. With the adds of ODU and UNCC and Middle who just had back to back 27 & 28 win seasons. FAU got the last second invite.

We can look back through the last 4 to 5 years and say team X had a lot better history over those years than one of the schools added to CUSA. But short term should never be the goal. We all will go through years of middle of the pack or some really down seasons. There's not a G5 school CUSA could have added that wont.

Right now markets don't matter. Hell before 2005 just 12 short years ago markets was not a driving force in adding schools...winning mattered. It was only when espn and others started spending huge amounts of dollars that it mattered. Who knows what will matter 10 years from now when all of this gets settled.

One thing you can be sure of. Jonesville Ark and Bowling green KY, and Huntington W.Vir. and Ruston LA. and Hattiesburg Miss. can get 100% viewership and it will still be lower than market school if they can get 5%. I honestly don't know the real numbers but it's going to be a lot closer to that than not.

You hope those programs in the markets grow and build winning PROGRAMS...not just football. You hope they start to add eyes. You hope when the time comes that eyes matters again. The conference is where it needs to be. To get there it's not just the market schools needing to improve. It's all of us. There's always going to be a ****** bottom...

having a clear good middle and a very good top is the key. Then a rotation from that middle up and down and getting that bottom building up.

(11-02-2017 11:46 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Well, the "market" thing is now pretty much a red herring if FAU and FIU continue their upward trend:

UTSA - Bowl team
ODU - Bowl team and decent in basketball. Football is receding a bit this year.
FAU - Appears to be turning the corner in football and should make a bowl.
FIU - See FAU
UNT - Seems to be improving with football but have been a bowl team recently and should be this year as well.
WKU - Nothing needs to be said here. Basketball is pretty good and football should make a bowl this year.
MTSU - See WKU. Football has been obliterated with injuries, but if they get Stock back, they could make a bowl.
LA Tech - Football has been good and basketball is strong. Another bowl team this year.

And then there's Charlotte.

So, the add-ons are performing well overall.

Too bad the team in the biggest market by far is pretty much one of two dumpster fires in CUSA football.