(11-02-2017 09:22 PM)pjfleck82 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 09:12 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:35 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Childer's ego took a beating tonite, let's see how he bounces back. Boy was he struggling against a very good D.
Fine line between letting him learn in a big game, and creating doubt in his mind.

+1

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Yeah we better not see any $$$ signs next THURS

I'm not saying Childers was great, he struggled last night. I don't mean to turn this into a coaching thing but I think Rod Carey is a disaster , a complete and utter disaster, for QB development. I believer Carey gets into the heads of these QBs and creates a fear of the mistake like I have never seen before. I'm convinced NIU will not see a QB develop under his watch. Not slamming him for this but he just cannot handle the quarterback position

In all reality, there were two opportunities missed that shaped the outcome. The blocked punt and failure to score 7 points was hug. And, Smalls not intercepting the deflected pass led to another 3 points for Toledo instead of 6 for NIU.

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Amidst a sea of stupidity lies a nugget of wisdom! Finally MD you have made sense. The single most important trait, and the common thread to all successful QBs is confidence. If you play this position with a fear of failure mentality you will never realize your potential. I have tried to defend Carey for years, but his coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence. Childers is not our best QB; but Carey has made a decision, and he now has to live with it. So far he has created the right environment for Childers to develop; he put him in during the softest part of the schedule, and for the most part Childers has responded. Now Carey has to do something he may be incapable of doing, building a kid's confidence when he’s down. He failed to do this with Santa, we will now see how he responds to Childers.

Childers did a nice job, especially for a Freshman that has not been the starter all season. He makes Northern able to win the rest of their MAC slate, go 9-3, and Bowling.

(11-02-2017 08:25 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:24 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 08:21 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  Oh well a competitive game and the better team won.

this is pretty much it. Blame the coach, blame Childers, blame Smalls....thats all BS. This team is good, just not good enough. 8-4 or 9-3 is a turn around. Rarely does a team win with a Freshman QB.

Disappointed in this game, but I agree with Rabid's points. Just not enough talent as a whole on this team to compete with top notch teams.

You mean compete with teams like SDSU and Nebraska. Geez, there is loads of talent on this team, we just got beat by a really good team tonight.

(11-02-2017 07:48 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  Are guys are never open compared to Toledo.
Slow receivers, poor routes, no routes?

Their defensive schemes are different than ours. We play man to man with the middle of the field open most of the time which allows WR's to get wide open. On the other hand, Toledo plays a 2 safety look with man underneath allowing them to double our WR's on certain plays. It has nothing to do with the speed, routes, etc. but it has everything to do with schemes.

(11-02-2017 07:46 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Tears is pissed

Why is he pissed??

(11-03-2017 05:47 AM)Djud Wrote:  Amidst a sea of stupidity lies a nugget of wisdom! Finally MD you have made sense. The single most important trait, and the common thread to all successful QBs is confidence. If you play this position with a fear of failure mentality you will never realize your potential. I have tried to defend Carey for years, but his coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence. Childers is not our best QB; but Carey has made a decision, and he now has to live with it. So far he has created the right environment for Childers to develop; he put him in during the softest part of the schedule, and for the most part Childers has responded. Now Carey has to do something he may be incapable of doing, building a kid's confidence when he’s down. He failed to do this with Santa, we will now see how he responds to Childers.

This argument is awful and those with this opinion are (likely) uneducated. What do you know about Carey's relationship with players? When has Carey proven that he can't coach young talent? Don't take a stance on what you don't know and stop making **** up.

(11-03-2017 11:31 AM)YoungPup Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:47 AM)Djud Wrote:  Amidst a sea of stupidity lies a nugget of wisdom! Finally MD you have made sense. The single most important trait, and the common thread to all successful QBs is confidence. If you play this position with a fear of failure mentality you will never realize your potential. I have tried to defend Carey for years, but his coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence. Childers is not our best QB; but Carey has made a decision, and he now has to live with it. So far he has created the right environment for Childers to develop; he put him in during the softest part of the schedule, and for the most part Childers has responded. Now Carey has to do something he may be incapable of doing, building a kid's confidence when he’s down. He failed to do this with Santa, we will now see how he responds to Childers.

This argument is awful and those with this opinion are (likely) uneducated. What do you know about Carey's relationship with players? When has Carey proven that he can't coach young talent? Don't take a stance on what you don't know and stop making **** up.

Folks on this board are ALWAYS inventing Carey/Player relationship issues. And then of course Randy comes in and says it's all true, but of course he's also wrong about "true" stuff all the time. So in the end, guessing about Carey's relationship with players is stupid. Also, he is a very good coach, not sure why people can't accept that.

(11-03-2017 11:31 AM)YoungPup Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:47 AM)Djud Wrote:  Amidst a sea of stupidity lies a nugget of wisdom! Finally MD you have made sense. The single most important trait, and the common thread to all successful QBs is confidence. If you play this position with a fear of failure mentality you will never realize your potential. I have tried to defend Carey for years, but his coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence. Childers is not our best QB; but Carey has made a decision, and he now has to live with it. So far he has created the right environment for Childers to develop; he put him in during the softest part of the schedule, and for the most part Childers has responded. Now Carey has to do something he may be incapable of doing, building a kid's confidence when he’s down. He failed to do this with Santa, we will now see how he responds to Childers.

This argument is awful and those with this opinion are (likely) uneducated. What do you know about Carey's relationship with players? When has Carey proven that he can't coach young talent? Don't take a stance on what you don't know and stop making **** up.

It’s not an argument; it’s an observation. If you don’t think that QB play is heavily influenced by confidence you are clueless. Childers needs to be developed. If you read my post, Carey has done everything right to date to help Childers development. The scheme and play calling have been geared towards his skill sets, lack of experience. Most importantly, Childers has been able to grow and develop while playing the softest part of the schedule. To his credit, Childers has stepped up and taken advantage of the perfect situation he has been given. Last night was not a good game; 2 picks, rather ineffective passing attack, particularly on deep passes, and a loss. Now is the time for Carey to coach the kid up. Why do I question his ability to do so? It’s the way he handled Santa. Santa has one loss at NIU, his W’s include a come from behind victory at Nebraska. I find it difficult to see how a Coach who benches a kid for the final 2.5 minutes of the SDSU and one pass against KSU breeds confidence. I also think that Carey’s sideline demeanor has never been conducive to instilling confidence in a kid.

I think Carey has to support Childers completely from this point forward; have the kid’s back when things don’t go his way; teach the kid instead of railing him when he makes a mistake. In other words, help him grow. I will be watching closely.

(11-03-2017 01:23 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 11:31 AM)YoungPup Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:47 AM)Djud Wrote:  Amidst a sea of stupidity lies a nugget of wisdom! Finally MD you have made sense. The single most important trait, and the common thread to all successful QBs is confidence. If you play this position with a fear of failure mentality you will never realize your potential. I have tried to defend Carey for years, but his coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence. Childers is not our best QB; but Carey has made a decision, and he now has to live with it. So far he has created the right environment for Childers to develop; he put him in during the softest part of the schedule, and for the most part Childers has responded. Now Carey has to do something he may be incapable of doing, building a kid's confidence when he’s down. He failed to do this with Santa, we will now see how he responds to Childers.

This argument is awful and those with this opinion are (likely) uneducated. What do you know about Carey's relationship with players? When has Carey proven that he can't coach young talent? Don't take a stance on what you don't know and stop making **** up.

It’s not an argument; it’s an observation. If you don’t think that QB play is heavily influenced by confidence you are clueless. Childers needs to be developed. If you read my post, Carey has done everything right to date to help Childers development. The scheme and play calling have been geared towards his skill sets, lack of experience. Most importantly, Childers has been able to grow and develop while playing the softest part of the schedule. To his credit, Childers has stepped up and taken advantage of the perfect situation he has been given. Last night was not a good game; 2 picks, rather ineffective passing attack, particularly on deep passes, and a loss. Now is the time for Carey to coach the kid up. Why do I question his ability to do so? It’s the way he handled Santa. Santa has one loss at NIU, his W’s include a come from behind victory at Nebraska. I find it difficult to see how a Coach who benches a kid for the final 2.5 minutes of the SDSU and one pass against KSU breeds confidence. I also think that Carey’s sideline demeanor has never been conducive to instilling confidence in a kid.

I think Carey has to support Childers completely from this point forward; have the kid’s back when things don’t go his way; teach the kid instead of railing him when he makes a mistake. In other words, help him grow. I will be watching closely.

Opinions are much different from fact. I won't attack what you believe, but don't say "his [Carey's] coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence" like it's a fact of life. You sit in the stands, not on the sideline.

(11-03-2017 06:55 PM)YoungPup Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 01:23 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 11:31 AM)YoungPup Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:47 AM)Djud Wrote:  Amidst a sea of stupidity lies a nugget of wisdom! Finally MD you have made sense. The single most important trait, and the common thread to all successful QBs is confidence. If you play this position with a fear of failure mentality you will never realize your potential. I have tried to defend Carey for years, but his coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence. Childers is not our best QB; but Carey has made a decision, and he now has to live with it. So far he has created the right environment for Childers to develop; he put him in during the softest part of the schedule, and for the most part Childers has responded. Now Carey has to do something he may be incapable of doing, building a kid's confidence when he’s down. He failed to do this with Santa, we will now see how he responds to Childers.

This argument is awful and those with this opinion are (likely) uneducated. What do you know about Carey's relationship with players? When has Carey proven that he can't coach young talent? Don't take a stance on what you don't know and stop making **** up.

It’s not an argument; it’s an observation. If you don’t think that QB play is heavily influenced by confidence you are clueless. Childers needs to be developed. If you read my post, Carey has done everything right to date to help Childers development. The scheme and play calling have been geared towards his skill sets, lack of experience. Most importantly, Childers has been able to grow and develop while playing the softest part of the schedule. To his credit, Childers has stepped up and taken advantage of the perfect situation he has been given. Last night was not a good game; 2 picks, rather ineffective passing attack, particularly on deep passes, and a loss. Now is the time for Carey to coach the kid up. Why do I question his ability to do so? It’s the way he handled Santa. Santa has one loss at NIU, his W’s include a come from behind victory at Nebraska. I find it difficult to see how a Coach who benches a kid for the final 2.5 minutes of the SDSU and one pass against KSU breeds confidence. I also think that Carey’s sideline demeanor has never been conducive to instilling confidence in a kid.

I think Carey has to support Childers completely from this point forward; have the kid’s back when things don’t go his way; teach the kid instead of railing him when he makes a mistake. In other words, help him grow. I will be watching closely.

Opinions are much different from fact. I won't attack what you believe, but don't say "his [Carey's] coaching style breeds fear instead of building confidence" like it's a fact of life. You sit in the stands, not on the sideline.

The fact is...Carey has repeatedly shown that if a player makes a mistake he will get in that kid’s face, and completely belittle the player in front of his teammates; in the middle of a game. You don’t go have to be on the sideline to know this (watch your TV). He did this to Graham, Hagan, Santa...the list is endless. This is not disputable. The opinion is...this type of coaching style is not conducive to confidence building. Nobody feels worse than the kid who made the mistake...compounding the problem by railing the kid in front of his teammates does nothing positive.
The point is...Childers, as has been pointed out, took a blow to his confidence on Thursday. Carey has to have the kids back, and build him up; give him a long leash and use his mistakes as learning opportunities. In essence, don’t do to Childers what he did to Santa.

(11-03-2017 05:41 AM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  In all reality, there were two opportunities missed that shaped the outcome. The blocked punt and failure to score 7 points was hug. And, Smalls not intercepting the deflected pass led to another 3 points for Toledo instead of 6 for NIU.

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There were missed opportunities on both sides. Toledo could have scored another 14 or so points as well. Logan Woodside fumbling at the endzone was 7 points right there.

(11-04-2017 08:40 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:41 AM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  In all reality, there were two opportunities missed that shaped the outcome. The blocked punt and failure to score 7 points was hug. And, Smalls not intercepting the deflected pass led to another 3 points for Toledo instead of 6 for NIU.

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There were missed opportunities on both sides. Toledo could have scored another 14 or so points as well. Logan Woodside fumbling at the endzone was 7 points right there.

Woodside didn't fumble. He was stripped. That's the defense making a play. You can count the yards on that drive but you have zero rights to claim 6 points.

(11-04-2017 09:17 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 08:40 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:41 AM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  In all reality, there were two opportunities missed that shaped the outcome. The blocked punt and failure to score 7 points was hug. And, Smalls not intercepting the deflected pass led to another 3 points for Toledo instead of 6 for NIU.

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There were missed opportunities on both sides. Toledo could have scored another 14 or so points as well. Logan Woodside fumbling at the endzone was 7 points right there.

Woodside didn't fumble. He was stripped. That's the defense making a play. You can count the yards on that drive but you have zero rights to claim 6 points.

Officially it a Forced Fumble. So Woodside did fumble the football and did not have it secured like a RB. Toledo leads the MAC in fewest fumbles lost.Good defensive play by the Huskies saving the TD.

(11-04-2017 09:17 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 08:40 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:41 AM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  In all reality, there were two opportunities missed that shaped the outcome. The blocked punt and failure to score 7 points was hug. And, Smalls not intercepting the deflected pass led to another 3 points for Toledo instead of 6 for NIU.

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There were missed opportunities on both sides. Toledo could have scored another 14 or so points as well. Logan Woodside fumbling at the endzone was 7 points right there.

Woodside didn't fumble. He was stripped. That's the defense making a play. You can count the yards on that drive but you have zero rights to claim 6 points.

I just checked the box score and it was recorded as a fumble. I could not find a "stripped" category anywhere. Is this something new?

(11-04-2017 09:56 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 09:17 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-04-2017 08:40 AM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 05:41 AM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  In all reality, there were two opportunities missed that shaped the outcome. The blocked punt and failure to score 7 points was hug. And, Smalls not intercepting the deflected pass led to another 3 points for Toledo instead of 6 for NIU.

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There were missed opportunities on both sides. Toledo could have scored another 14 or so points as well. Logan Woodside fumbling at the endzone was 7 points right there.

Woodside didn't fumble. He was stripped. That's the defense making a play. You can count the yards on that drive but you have zero rights to claim 6 points.

Officially it a Forced Fumble. So Woodside did fumble the football and did not have it secured like a RB. Toledo leads the MAC in fewest fumbles lost.Good defensive play by the Huskies saving the TD.

Yes, forced fumble is right, not a strip. I was just noting that Woodside didn't fumble of his own volition. He was made to fumble so I don't consider it a missed opportunity.
The dropped int by the NIU DB was a missed opportunity because no one was preventing him from catching it, and it was beyond reasonable to expect that kind of catch to be made. But this game had very few plays to complain about as far as any change to the outcome. Toledo is just about 10 points better than NIU any given game.