I'm in the market for a nice painting of Lee to hang over the fireplace. Actually, I want one of Lee, Forrest, and Stonewall Jackson. Didn't really like the ones I saw when I googled them. Anyone have any leads on this?

(11-02-2017 04:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Regardless, he's dead wrong on compromise.

Ta-Nehisi Coates Schools John Kelly On History Of Civil War And ‘Compromise’

So a comic book writer who never got a college degree (according to wiki, all his brothers and sisters got theirs) is your source?

So, with your college degree, perhaps you can tell be what he got wrong?

Thought so.

(11-03-2017 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Regardless, he's dead wrong on compromise.

Ta-Nehisi Coates Schools John Kelly On History Of Civil War And ‘Compromise’

So a comic book writer who never got a college degree (according to wiki, all his brothers and sisters got theirs) is your source?

So, with your college degree, perhaps you can tell be what he got wrong?

Thought so.

I already did, but you never actually read what people post.

For people who actually do read, this is a good discussion:
http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/02/shel...si-coates/

(11-03-2017 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Regardless, he's dead wrong on compromise.

Ta-Nehisi Coates Schools John Kelly On History Of Civil War And ‘Compromise’

So a comic book writer who never got a college degree (according to wiki, all his brothers and sisters got theirs) is your source?

So, with your college degree, perhaps you can tell be what he got wrong?

Thought so.

I already did, but you never actually read what people post.

Apologies, I was scanning the prior page of the thread and thought I was at the bottom and missed your reply.

(11-01-2017 06:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's just tiresome hearing this administration continually wading into discussions it has no place in.

I agree, now you've known who I have felt for the past 8 years...

This is from the introduction of a book I have had since I was a kid-"The Golden Book of the Civil War." The introduction on pages 6-7 is from Bruce Catton, a historian from Michigan who wrote extensively on the war, asked why people still want to know about the Civil War.

"One reason, of course, is that the Civil War makes one of the most fascinating stories ever told. Some of the men who took part in it became very famous, so that today there are statues in their memory, with books written about them and towns and colleges named for them; most of the rest were completely unknown people, ordinary men from farms and villages and cities all across the United States, utterly undistinguished except that at one time in their lives they were a part of something ever so much larger and more important than themselves. But in either case, the men who enacted the terrible, tragic drama of the Civil War were men who have to be remembered. They have not been flattened out by the age of the big cities, machinery, mass transportation, and unending television shows. They stand out: whether the Civil War veteran was a private soldier unknown outside of his own company, or a General Grant, a General lee, a Stuart or a Sherman or a Jackson, he is somebody you feel like taking a second look at.
And these men, in what they were and what they did, illustrate all of the virtues, and unhappily sometimes all of the vices, which are part of the common lot of humanity....
They were typical human beings, in other words--some of them were very good, some of them pretty poor, most of them just average. But for four dreadful years they somehow carried on their shoulders the heaviest burden that has ever been laid on the people of the United States and by and large they carried it so well that we still marvel at their endurance and their manliness. Perhaps what they really prove is that the ordinary man can be pretty good when the heat is on him--good enough to inspire other ordinary folk who come along a century later.

(11-03-2017 09:33 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 06:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  It's just tiresome hearing this administration continually wading into discussions it has no place in.

I agree, now you've known who I have felt for the past 8 years...

AMEN.

(11-03-2017 09:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  This is from the introduction of a book I have had since I was a kid-"The Golden Book of the Civil War." The introduction on pages 6-7 is from Bruce Catton, a historian from Michigan who wrote extensively on the war, asked why people still want to know about the Civil War.

"One reason, of course, is that the Civil War makes one of the most fascinating stories ever told. Some of the men who took part in it became very famous, so that today there are statues in their memory, with books written about them and towns and colleges named for them; most of the rest were completely unknown people, ordinary men from farms and villages and cities all across the United States, utterly undistinguished except that at one time in their lives they were a part of something ever so much larger and more important than themselves. But in either case, the men who enacted the terrible, tragic drama of the Civil War were men who have to be remembered. They have not been flattened out by the age of the big cities, machinery, mass transportation, and unending television shows. They stand out: whether the Civil War veteran was a private soldier unknown outside of his own company, or a General Grant, a General lee, a Stuart or a Sherman or a Jackson, he is somebody you feel like taking a second look at.
And these men, in what they were and what they did, illustrate all of the virtues, and unhappily sometimes all of the vices, which are part of the common lot of humanity....
They were typical human beings, in other words--some of them were very good, some of them pretty poor, most of them just average. But for four dreadful years they somehow carried on their shoulders the heaviest burden that has ever been laid on the people of the United States and by and large they carried it so well that we still marvel at their endurance and their manliness. Perhaps what they really prove is that the ordinary man can be pretty good when the heat is on him--good enough to inspire other ordinary folk who come along a century later.

I was only able to really start knowing the Civil War after reading both Foote and Catton. Two different styles, two different angles. Sort of like stereo glasses.



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(11-03-2017 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:52 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 04:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-02-2017 03:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Regardless, he's dead wrong on compromise.

Ta-Nehisi Coates Schools John Kelly On History Of Civil War And ‘Compromise’

So a comic book writer who never got a college degree (according to wiki, all his brothers and sisters got theirs) is your source?

So, with your college degree, perhaps you can tell be what he got wrong?

Thought so.

I already did, but you never actually read what people post.

Apologies, I was scanning the prior page of the thread and thought I was at the bottom and missed your reply.

Even with this, it's only common courtesy to allow a response. I mean, asking a question and then being snarky before you even posted the message.

It's not like he could anticipate your thoughts AND the exact time you were going to post them.

(11-03-2017 08:05 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 07:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  Look up post-modernism. Its a defining theme of the current Democratic Party.

There are no truths, only interpretations.

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Is that true?

(11-03-2017 09:46 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-03-2017 09:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  This is from the introduction of a book I have had since I was a kid-"The Golden Book of the Civil War." The introduction on pages 6-7 is from Bruce Catton, a historian from Michigan who wrote extensively on the war, asked why people still want to know about the Civil War.

"One reason, of course, is that the Civil War makes one of the most fascinating stories ever told. Some of the men who took part in it became very famous, so that today there are statues in their memory, with books written about them and towns and colleges named for them; most of the rest were completely unknown people, ordinary men from farms and villages and cities all across the United States, utterly undistinguished except that at one time in their lives they were a part of something ever so much larger and more important than themselves. But in either case, the men who enacted the terrible, tragic drama of the Civil War were men who have to be remembered. They have not been flattened out by the age of the big cities, machinery, mass transportation, and unending television shows. They stand out: whether the Civil War veteran was a private soldier unknown outside of his own company, or a General Grant, a General lee, a Stuart or a Sherman or a Jackson, he is somebody you feel like taking a second look at.
And these men, in what they were and what they did, illustrate all of the virtues, and unhappily sometimes all of the vices, which are part of the common lot of humanity....
They were typical human beings, in other words--some of them were very good, some of them pretty poor, most of them just average. But for four dreadful years they somehow carried on their shoulders the heaviest burden that has ever been laid on the people of the United States and by and large they carried it so well that we still marvel at their endurance and their manliness. Perhaps what they really prove is that the ordinary man can be pretty good when the heat is on him--good enough to inspire other ordinary folk who come along a century later.

I was only able to really start knowing the Civil War after reading both Foote and Catton. Two different styles, two different angles. Sort of like stereo glasses.



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James McPherson has a different take as well, decidedly less sympathetic to the South. Of course, his ancestor, General McPherson, died in the Battle of Atlanta. There's a marker at the Candler Park MARTA station in Atlanta, noting the spot where General McPherson was having a cigar with his fellow officers, heard the gunfire, dashed off some orders and rode off, where he rallied the troops and was shot and killed. Rather interesting note in Wiki, McPherson signed a petition asking President Obama not to lay a wreath at the Confederate Memorial in Arlington National Cemetary in 2009 as was tradition. Obama did it anyway.