(10-29-2017 02:38 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  McElwain is a head case and I am just glad we went with Fuente.

You got that right.

That whole death threat thing was the the last straw for McElwain.

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

(10-29-2017 05:50 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:38 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  McElwain is a head case and I am just glad we went with Fuente.

You got that right.

That whole death threat thing was the the last straw for McElwain.

He did just fine at CSU.

(10-30-2017 05:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

If you look at history the vast majority of coaches choose the bigger payday. There aren't many Sonny Lubicks out there.

(10-30-2017 05:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

If you look at history the vast majority of coaches choose the bigger payday. There aren't many Sonny Lubicks out there.

Chris Petersen held out for a while, but even he ended up cashing in when it was all said and done.

(10-30-2017 05:56 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

If you look at history the vast majority of coaches choose the bigger payday. There aren't many Sonny Lubicks out there.

Chris Petersen held out for a while, but even he ended up cashing in when it was all said and done.

Peterson was a unique case though. He had a child with serious health issues and wanted to stay close to the kid's medical doctors.

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(10-30-2017 05:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

If you look at history the vast majority of coaches choose the bigger payday. There aren't many Sonny Lubicks out there.

To some extent, but I'm not sure it's a vast majority. If you're saying a G5 for life, then sure - it doesn't happen. But I'm talking about holding out for the right fit. Many coaches have done this over the years. We may not always know the offers they've turned down, but you can look at the career paths of successful coaches and speculate that they turned down the money at various points on their paths.

(10-31-2017 12:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

If you look at history the vast majority of coaches choose the bigger payday. There aren't many Sonny Lubicks out there.

To some extent, but I'm not sure it's a vast majority. If you're saying a G5 for life, then sure - it doesn't happen. But I'm talking about holding out for the right fit. Many coaches have done this over the years. We may not always know the offers they've turned down, but you can look at the career paths of successful coaches and speculate that they turned down the money at various points on their paths.

Who? Frank Beamer maybe? Fisher DeBerry. Lavell Edwards? The guy at Navy? those are the only ones I can think of. If you count all of the jobs over the years they are in the vast minority. Plus...all four of those are unique circumstances.

Probably 99% of coaches over the past 30 years have taken the next big payday. Some more than once.

(11-01-2017 12:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 12:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

If you look at history the vast majority of coaches choose the bigger payday. There aren't many Sonny Lubicks out there.

To some extent, but I'm not sure it's a vast majority. If you're saying a G5 for life, then sure - it doesn't happen. But I'm talking about holding out for the right fit. Many coaches have done this over the years. We may not always know the offers they've turned down, but you can look at the career paths of successful coaches and speculate that they turned down the money at various points on their paths.

Who? Frank Beamer maybe? Fisher DeBerry. Lavell Edwards? The guy at Navy? those are the only ones I can think of. If you count all of the jobs over the years they are in the vast minority. Plus...all four of those are unique circumstances.

Probably 99% of coaches over the past 30 years have taken the next big payday. Some more than once.

Sonny Lubick. Chris Ault. Gary Patterson. That's still less than 10 guys over the past 35 years. There have probably been 500 1-A head coaches over that time period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cu...ll_coaches

Kirk Ferentz is the dean of FBS coaches--18 years at Iowa. Only 12 guys have been at their school longer than 10 years.

(11-01-2017 12:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 12:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:55 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:46 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 02:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Florida
Tennessee
Mississippi
Arkansas
Texas A&M

So you think you want to coach in the $EC. Job security measured in weeks.

I get the money is good. But it's good other places too. Do you go after that $4M a year - realizing you may only have 4 years, then you may have to work on repairing your image? Or do you take $2.5M a year, banking that you have 7 years and can keep climbing the ladder?

If you look at history the vast majority of coaches choose the bigger payday. There aren't many Sonny Lubicks out there.

To some extent, but I'm not sure it's a vast majority. If you're saying a G5 for life, then sure - it doesn't happen. But I'm talking about holding out for the right fit. Many coaches have done this over the years. We may not always know the offers they've turned down, but you can look at the career paths of successful coaches and speculate that they turned down the money at various points on their paths.

Who? Frank Beamer maybe? Fisher DeBerry. Lavell Edwards? The guy at Navy? those are the only ones I can think of. If you count all of the jobs over the years they are in the vast minority. Plus...all four of those are unique circumstances.

Probably 99% of coaches over the past 30 years have taken the next big payday. Some more than once.

Again, I'm not talking about holding out forever. I'm not even talking about guys staying put 10 years. I'm talking about guys not taking the first offer that comes around. Confident in their abilities to get more than one offer, and a better fit by waiting.

We don't hear about jobs turned down (unless we're directly involved). But you have to know that successful coaches turned down jobs. Or else you'd see people like Saban, Meyer, Stoops, etc. with 10 schools on their resumes. You'd also see schools like UTK hiring people other than Dooley, or Old Miss hiring coaches other than Hughie.

You're saying 99% of the guys are like Kiffin. I'm saying there are more than you think who are like Meyer. You know he had a ton of offers at Utah. He held out for Florida. Then, he left the game - only to hold out for OSU.