Pesik is back lol

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Could you dumb that down a little? For us normal folks.

lol beat tulsa and have smu lose to navy and the division will be all but decided for memphis

lose to tulsa its a free all ..

if smu beats navy..and you beat tulsa, the winner of your game gets it

Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

(10-29-2017 04:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Could you dumb that down a little? For us normal folks.

lol beat tulsa and have smu lose to navy and the division will be all but decided for memphis

lose to tulsa its a free all ..

if smu beats navy..and you beat tulsa, the winner of your game gets it

Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

You just have to let him live in his own reality

(10-29-2017 04:20 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  lol beat tulsa and have smu lose to navy and the division will be all but decided for memphis

lose to tulsa its a free all ..

if smu beats navy..and you beat tulsa, the winner of your game gets it

Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

You just have to let him live in his own reality

Its true tho right? SMU and Memphis are the only 2 in the driver's seat while Houston and Navy need Memphis to stumble.. But if Memphis beats SMU then its pretty well clinched unless they drop ecu and tulsa

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Could you dumb that down a little? For us normal folks.

lol beat tulsa and have smu lose to navy and the division will be all but decided for memphis

lose to tulsa its a free all ..

if smu beats navy..and you beat tulsa, the winner of your game gets it

Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

Please tell me you cannot be that dumb. It is still a CONFERENCE GAME, Pesik. Counts the same as all the West division games.

Good grief...

Do I really have to explain all the other mathematically possible scenarios that could come into play that COULD make the SMU-UCF game play into the final standings?

Btw, Memphis could lose to ECU and still control its destiny, as well, lol. But the ECU game STILL COUNTS.

(10-29-2017 04:32 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:20 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:11 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

You just have to let him live in his own reality

Its true tho right? SMU and Memphis are the only 2 in the driver's seat while Houston and Navy need Memphis to stumble.. But if Memphis beats SMU then its pretty well clinched unless they drop ecu and tulsa

Well, of course. Any teams that have the same number of losses still control their own destiny, if they still play each other. But you could say the same thing the day before the season starts, lol.

That doesn't take a lot of smarts. But when you get into what is most likely to happen, or what odds of particular outcomes are, Pesik gets lost.

(10-29-2017 04:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Could you dumb that down a little? For us normal folks.

lol beat tulsa and have smu lose to navy and the division will be all but decided for memphis

lose to tulsa its a free all ..

if smu beats navy..and you beat tulsa, the winner of your game gets it

Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

Please tell me you cannot be that dumb. It is still a CONFERENCE GAME, Pesik. Counts the same as all the West division games.

Good grief...

Do I really have to explain all the other mathematically possible scenarios that could come into play that COULD make the SMU-UCF game play into the final standings?

Btw, Memphis could lose to ECU and still control its destiny, as well, lol. But the ECU game STILL COUNTS.

It might be easier for him to comprehend... if he sees (instead of reading) your elementary explanation:

http://www.theamerican.org/standings.aspx?standings=35

(10-29-2017 04:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Could you dumb that down a little? For us normal folks.

lol beat tulsa and have smu lose to navy and the division will be all but decided for memphis

lose to tulsa its a free all ..

if smu beats navy..and you beat tulsa, the winner of your game gets it

Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

Please tell me you cannot be that dumb. It is still a CONFERENCE GAME, Pesik. Counts the same as all the West division games.

Good grief...

Do I really have to explain all the other mathematically possible scenarios that could come into play that COULD make the SMU-UCF game play into the final standings?

Btw, Memphis could lose to ECU and still control its destiny, as well, lol. But the ECU game STILL COUNTS.

but we are talking games with meaningful implications

Quote:if there are 2 undefeated teams competing for a championship, with 2 games left, 1 versus each....both their second games not versus each other is meaningless, if we are talking who claims the title on tie-breaker.

im not sure if you are being idealistic with your "all conference games count"

there is only 2 real scenarios in which the smu and ucf games plays in to the divison race and that is if you lose out, lose all 3 of your remaining game (tulsa, ecu, smu), or smu can beat ucf and memphis , but lose to tulane...

beyond those 2 crazy scenerio, the ucf game will have little effect on the memphis/smu title chances....because ucf is a out of division game.. and thus has no effect on the second tie breaker

since im so dumb i should spell it out
if memphis beats tulsa and ecu (likely as you pointed out):

Quote:--if smu wins at ucf and navy but loses to memphis--memphis will get it (better conference record)
--if smu wins at ucf but loses to navy , Memphis will get the division regardless of what happens in the memphis vs smu game (Memphis will hold the 3 way tie breaker, even if they lost) (as it will almost certainly be a 3 way tie, with the winner of houston/navy game)
-- if smu losses to ucf but beats navy..smu or memphis would hold the tie breaker depending on who won
-- if smu losses to ucf and losses to navy., memphis win the division regardless on conference record.

notice any situation where they lose to navy the realistic scenerio is elimination, and and whatever happens with ucf they likely still control their own destiny

i dont get the name calling..when what i am saying i clear as day..."every conference game matter" i get it.. in a sense it matters, as it affects who will host the title game..but strictly talking division, it isnt as big a deal
but since you are a super genius what do i know
i tutor college students in advanced statistics but you must be packing multiple Harvard degrees since i am an idiot in your presence

It’s his world. We are just living in it.

Somebody else talk to him. It's like we're speaking English, and he's speaking Esperanto.

If I had known this would happen, I would have pulled for USF to win last night. lol

(10-29-2017 03:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Houston just has too many tiebreakers against it. As someone said, that Tulsa loss was a killer.

Houston's path to the West crown is simple. It's also a longshot.

UH has to win out (finishing 6-2 and eliminating Navy).
Memphis has to lose twice (finishing 5-3).
SMU has to lose at least once (finishing no better than 6-2).

Houston wins the tiebreaker over SMU head to head.

Of the three combined Memphis & SMU losses that Houston needs to happen, one is guaranteed to happen. SMU plays Memphis in a few weeks. Given the relative schedules, Houston really needs SMU to win that game.

This is what Pesik is saying, translated to English.

(10-29-2017 06:54 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Houston just has too many tiebreakers against it. As someone said, that Tulsa loss was a killer.

Houston's path to the West crown is simple. It's also a longshot.

UH has to win out (finishing 6-2 and eliminating Navy).
Memphis has to lose twice (finishing 5-3).
SMU has to lose at least once (finishing no better than 6-2).

Houston wins the tiebreaker over SMU head to head.

Of the three combined Memphis & SMU losses that Houston needs to happen, one is guaranteed to happen. SMU plays Memphis in a few weeks. Given the relative schedules, Houston really needs SMU to win that game.

This is what Pesik is saying, translated to English.

LOL. I really don't think so, b/c he was arguing more for SMU, and saying the UCF game didn't really matter.

But your scenario is correct. Memphis has to lose to SMU and also to either Tulsa or ECU. And SMU would have to lose at least one more game, while beating Memphis.

What Pesik was saying is that SMU controlled its destiny, b/c if it wins out (with only one loss, like Memphis), then it wins the division. In fact, it could lose to UCF, beat Navy, Memphis and Tulane and still win out with a tiebreaker.

In his scenario, UH would be cut out by tiebreakers, with 2 division losses.

True. It's just math. But also not likely, since SMU has to win at Navy, at Memphis and Tulane. And beating UCF would be helpful, lol.

Thing is, Memphis isn't losing to Tulsa or ECU, and SMU is losing to UCF and Navy and likely Memphis, lol. And if Memphis doesn't lose 2 of 3, UH is out.

(10-29-2017 05:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 04:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 03:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  lol beat tulsa and have smu lose to navy and the division will be all but decided for memphis

lose to tulsa its a free all ..

if smu beats navy..and you beat tulsa, the winner of your game gets it

Dang, Pesik, you keep forgetting SMU still has to play UCF, as well as Navy and Memphis.

the smu game vs ucf has little consequence in the title race...win or lose wont affect the outcome of the race..

if smu beats ucf and loses to navy...memphis would still get it on tie breakers even if memphis lost

if smu beats ucf and navy....memphis would still get it if they won

if smu losses to ucf as long as they beat navy will still control its destiny..

Please tell me you cannot be that dumb. It is still a CONFERENCE GAME, Pesik. Counts the same as all the West division games.

Good grief...

Do I really have to explain all the other mathematically possible scenarios that could come into play that COULD make the SMU-UCF game play into the final standings?

Btw, Memphis could lose to ECU and still control its destiny, as well, lol. But the ECU game STILL COUNTS.

but we are talking games with meaningful implications

Quote:if there are 2 undefeated teams competing for a championship, with 2 games left, 1 versus each....both their second games not versus each other is meaningless, if we are talking who claims the title on tie-breaker.

im not sure if you are being idealistic with your "all conference games count"

there is only 2 real scenarios in which the smu and ucf games plays in to the divison race and that is if you lose out, lose all 3 of your remaining game (tulsa, ecu, smu), or smu can beat ucf and memphis , but lose to tulane...

beyond those 2 crazy scenerio, the ucf game will have little effect on the memphis/smu title chances....because ucf is a out of division game.. and thus has no effect on the second tie breaker

since im so dumb i should spell it out
if memphis beats tulsa and ecu (likely as you pointed out):

Quote:--if smu wins at ucf and navy but loses to memphis--memphis will get it (better conference record)
--if smu wins at ucf but loses to navy , Memphis will get the division regardless of what happens in the memphis vs smu game (Memphis will hold the 3 way tie breaker, even if they lost) (as it will almost certainly be a 3 way tie, with the winner of houston/navy game)
-- if smu losses to ucf but beats navy..smu or memphis would hold the tie breaker depending on who won
-- if smu losses to ucf and losses to navy., memphis win the division regardless on conference record.

notice any situation where they lose to navy the realistic scenerio is elimination, and and whatever happens with ucf they likely still control their own destiny

i dont get the name calling..when what i am saying i clear as day..."every conference game matter" i get it.. in a sense it matters, as it affects who will host the title game..but strictly talking division, it isnt as big a deal
but since you are a super genius what do i know
i tutor college students in advanced statistics but you must be packing multiple Harvard degrees since i am an idiot in your presence

good grief pesik. non divisional games count toward divisional standing. how freaking hard is that to understand. for example If Memphis is 4-1 with 1 loss to Tulane and Tulane is 3-2 with losses to usf and cincy we still win the west. i cannot think of a simpler explanation.