(10-26-2017 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 02:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 02:06 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  I'm gonna be "that guy". TCU is located in Fort Worth, over 45 minutes away from Dallas.
that's the equivalent to saying the Outback bowl is played in Sarasota; seems ridiculous, right?

Maybe within the area you guys make those kinds of distinctions, and take umbrage when they are transgressed, but to the rest of the world, "Fort Worth" is just part of Dallas Metropolitan Area. Same with Arlington, etc. It's all "Dallas".

I get that in one sense it's semantics and I understand your overall point but Fort Worth is not Dallas, not even close. Not just from a distance standpoint but that they are two distinct cities. No one in Fort Worth would ever let you get away with calling them Dallas unless they meant the Metroplex, I found that out the hard way. Might as well say something in Oakland is in San Francisco.

See, but i bet that you never had to find out the hard way about anything related to San Francisco and Oakland, because despite their proximity, they have distinct identities in the national mind-set (maybe thank the Raiders for that?).

But Fort Worth, to the uninitiated, is just viewed as part of Dallas.

Yeah, mostly by ignorant people. Anyone that's gotten out some or reads knows they are distinct. Saying Dallas Metroplex is one thing, but calling everything from Corsicana to Denton "Dallas" is, well, ignorant.

(10-26-2017 06:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 02:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 02:06 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  I'm gonna be "that guy". TCU is located in Fort Worth, over 45 minutes away from Dallas.
that's the equivalent to saying the Outback bowl is played in Sarasota; seems ridiculous, right?

Maybe within the area you guys make those kinds of distinctions, and take umbrage when they are transgressed, but to the rest of the world, "Fort Worth" is just part of Dallas Metropolitan Area. Same with Arlington, etc. It's all "Dallas".

I get that in one sense it's semantics and I understand your overall point but Fort Worth is not Dallas, not even close. Not just from a distance standpoint but that they are two distinct cities. No one in Fort Worth would ever let you get away with calling them Dallas unless they meant the Metroplex, I found that out the hard way. Might as well say something in Oakland is in San Francisco.

See, but i bet that you never had to find out the hard way about anything related to San Francisco and Oakland, because despite their proximity, they have distinct identities in the national mind-set (maybe thank the Raiders for that?).

But Fort Worth, to the uninitiated, is just viewed as part of Dallas.

Yeah, mostly by ignorant people. Anyone that's gotten out some or reads knows they are distinct. Saying Dallas Metroplex is one thing, but calling everything from Corsicana to Denton "Dallas" is, well, ignorant.

Let's face it: For a variety of reasons, Dallas is just a lot more famous than Ft Worth and Arlington. Many people have never heard of the latter, everyone has heard of Dallas, so that's what sticks in the public mind.

Look we are Muricans and we don't know diddly about geography nor do we care.

People in Fort Worth are going to get pissy if you say Dallas and those same people probably think that the North Stars played in Minneapolis and that for years and years the Twins and Vikings were playing in Minneapolis when they were in Bloomington. They think the Arizona Cardinals play in Phoenix though they never have.

Invariably every season some doof tries to trash talk Arkansas State fans with some hillbilly trope and they get laughed out because the school is in the delta.

(10-26-2017 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 02:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe within the area you guys make those kinds of distinctions, and take umbrage when they are transgressed, but to the rest of the world, "Fort Worth" is just part of Dallas Metropolitan Area. Same with Arlington, etc. It's all "Dallas".

I get that in one sense it's semantics and I understand your overall point but Fort Worth is not Dallas, not even close. Not just from a distance standpoint but that they are two distinct cities. No one in Fort Worth would ever let you get away with calling them Dallas unless they meant the Metroplex, I found that out the hard way. Might as well say something in Oakland is in San Francisco.

See, but i bet that you never had to find out the hard way about anything related to San Francisco and Oakland, because despite their proximity, they have distinct identities in the national mind-set (maybe thank the Raiders for that?).

But Fort Worth, to the uninitiated, is just viewed as part of Dallas.

Yeah, mostly by ignorant people. Anyone that's gotten out some or reads knows they are distinct. Saying Dallas Metroplex is one thing, but calling everything from Corsicana to Denton "Dallas" is, well, ignorant.

Let's face it: For a variety of reasons, Dallas is just a lot more famous than Ft Worth and Arlington. Many people have never heard of the latter, everyone has heard of Dallas, so that's what sticks in the public mind.

I would beg to differ. If anybody has ever flown into Dallas, they would know the term, "Dallas Ft-Worth" very well.......DFW. Same goes with weather and news station references. It is always joining the two together by name. So when you say many people have never heard of the latter, you are simply grasping at straws to prove your argument.

(10-26-2017 08:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Look we are Muricans and we don't know diddly about geography nor do we care.

People in Fort Worth are going to get pissy if you say Dallas and those same people probably think that the North Stars played in Minneapolis and that for years and years the Twins and Vikings were playing in Minneapolis when they were in Bloomington. They think the Arizona Cardinals play in Phoenix though they never have.

Invariably every season some doof tries to trash talk Arkansas State fans with some hillbilly trope and they get laughed out because the school is in the delta.

Not exactly pinpointing where teams play is one thing, even if occasionally offending but calling one place another is where the line is drawn for many. Fort Worth isn't Grapevine or even Frisco and it would still wholly exist to a similar degree without Dallas.

I don't care, I'm not from there but I see how people would be offended.

(10-26-2017 08:40 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:20 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I get that in one sense it's semantics and I understand your overall point but Fort Worth is not Dallas, not even close. Not just from a distance standpoint but that they are two distinct cities. No one in Fort Worth would ever let you get away with calling them Dallas unless they meant the Metroplex, I found that out the hard way. Might as well say something in Oakland is in San Francisco.

See, but i bet that you never had to find out the hard way about anything related to San Francisco and Oakland, because despite their proximity, they have distinct identities in the national mind-set (maybe thank the Raiders for that?).

But Fort Worth, to the uninitiated, is just viewed as part of Dallas.

Yeah, mostly by ignorant people. Anyone that's gotten out some or reads knows they are distinct. Saying Dallas Metroplex is one thing, but calling everything from Corsicana to Denton "Dallas" is, well, ignorant.

Let's face it: For a variety of reasons, Dallas is just a lot more famous than Ft Worth and Arlington. Many people have never heard of the latter, everyone has heard of Dallas, so that's what sticks in the public mind.

I would beg to differ. If anybody has ever flown into Dallas, they would know the term, "Dallas Ft-Worth" very well.......DFW. Same goes with weather and news station references. It is always joining the two together by name. So when you say many people have never heard of the latter, you are simply grasping at straws to prove your argument.

There's no straw-grasping. I'd bet 90% of those travelers who have flown in to DFW would just refer to it as "Dallas" in ordinary conversation, even though if you pressed them, they'd have heard of "Fort Worth" as part of the name of the airport. The point wasn't whether people had literally ever heard of Fort Worth or not, it's about how they conceptualize the area in their mind casually. And there's no doubt that Dallas just has a far greater public profile.

Some cities are just a lot more famous than others. E.g., Texas has 7 or 8 cities that are more populous than New Orleans, but zero that are more famous/well known. A couple that are as famous, but none any moreso. It's just the way it is.

In my area, Minneapolis-St. Paul is just called "the cities". But even though the two are literally right next door to each other and share streets, etc., no one would say they're going up to Minneapolis if in fact they're going to St. Paul. St. Paul probably stands out on its own more because it's the state capital. I know when the republican national convention was in St. Paul a few years ago, the reference point in the national media was always St. Paul, not Minneapolis.

(10-27-2017 06:45 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  In my area, Minneapolis-St. Paul is just called "the cities". But even though the two are literally right next door to each other and share streets, etc., no one would say they're going up to Minneapolis if in fact they're going to St. Paul. St. Paul probably stands out on its own more because it's the state capital. I know when the republican national convention was in St. Paul a few years ago, the reference point in the national media was always St. Paul, not Minneapolis.

For a national perspective (I've never lived within a 1000 miles of Minnesota) on your area, I've always thought of and heard others refer to it as either "Minneapolis-St Paul", or else "the Twin Cities".

My take from this discussion, is that SMU is likely a B12 expansion target, since they currently have no presence in the Dallas market.

(10-27-2017 05:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 08:40 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  See, but i bet that you never had to find out the hard way about anything related to San Francisco and Oakland, because despite their proximity, they have distinct identities in the national mind-set (maybe thank the Raiders for that?).

But Fort Worth, to the uninitiated, is just viewed as part of Dallas.

Yeah, mostly by ignorant people. Anyone that's gotten out some or reads knows they are distinct. Saying Dallas Metroplex is one thing, but calling everything from Corsicana to Denton "Dallas" is, well, ignorant.

Let's face it: For a variety of reasons, Dallas is just a lot more famous than Ft Worth and Arlington. Many people have never heard of the latter, everyone has heard of Dallas, so that's what sticks in the public mind.

I would beg to differ. If anybody has ever flown into Dallas, they would know the term, "Dallas Ft-Worth" very well.......DFW. Same goes with weather and news station references. It is always joining the two together by name. So when you say many people have never heard of the latter, you are simply grasping at straws to prove your argument.

There's no straw-grasping. I'd bet 90% of those travelers who have flown in to DFW would just refer to it as "Dallas" in ordinary conversation, even though if you pressed them, they'd have heard of "Fort Worth" as part of the name of the airport. The point wasn't whether people had literally ever heard of Fort Worth or not, it's about how they conceptualize the area in their mind casually. And there's no doubt that Dallas just has a far greater public profile.

Some cities are just a lot more famous than others. E.g., Texas has 7 or 8 cities that are more populous than New Orleans, but zero that are more famous/well known. A couple that are as famous, but none any moreso. It's just the way it is.

You were the one who said many people have never heard of Ft Worth. I was simply responding to that..... glad you clarified that you meant Dallas is simply more synonymous with the region, but I would say a high percentage of the country would know exactly what region Ft Worth is in.

(10-27-2017 09:31 AM)otown Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 05:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 08:40 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 06:39 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Yeah, mostly by ignorant people. Anyone that's gotten out some or reads knows they are distinct. Saying Dallas Metroplex is one thing, but calling everything from Corsicana to Denton "Dallas" is, well, ignorant.

Let's face it: For a variety of reasons, Dallas is just a lot more famous than Ft Worth and Arlington. Many people have never heard of the latter, everyone has heard of Dallas, so that's what sticks in the public mind.

I would beg to differ. If anybody has ever flown into Dallas, they would know the term, "Dallas Ft-Worth" very well.......DFW. Same goes with weather and news station references. It is always joining the two together by name. So when you say many people have never heard of the latter, you are simply grasping at straws to prove your argument.

There's no straw-grasping. I'd bet 90% of those travelers who have flown in to DFW would just refer to it as "Dallas" in ordinary conversation, even though if you pressed them, they'd have heard of "Fort Worth" as part of the name of the airport. The point wasn't whether people had literally ever heard of Fort Worth or not, it's about how they conceptualize the area in their mind casually. And there's no doubt that Dallas just has a far greater public profile.

Some cities are just a lot more famous than others. E.g., Texas has 7 or 8 cities that are more populous than New Orleans, but zero that are more famous/well known. A couple that are as famous, but none any moreso. It's just the way it is.

You were the one who said many people have never heard of Ft Worth. I was simply responding to that..... glad you clarified that you meant Dallas is simply more synonymous with the region, but I would say a high percentage of the country would know exactly what region Ft Worth is in.

Yes, they would say it is part of the Dallas metro region. :coffee3:

(10-27-2017 08:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 06:45 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  In my area, Minneapolis-St. Paul is just called "the cities". But even though the two are literally right next door to each other and share streets, etc., no one would say they're going up to Minneapolis if in fact they're going to St. Paul. St. Paul probably stands out on its own more because it's the state capital. I know when the republican national convention was in St. Paul a few years ago, the reference point in the national media was always St. Paul, not Minneapolis.

For a national perspective (I've never lived within a 1000 miles of Minnesota) on your area, I've always thought of and heard others refer to it as either "Minneapolis-St Paul", or else "the Twin Cities".

You live in New Orleans and don't know the difference between Fort Worth and Dallas?

(10-26-2017 02:06 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  I'm gonna be "that guy". TCU is located in Fort Worth, over 45 minutes away from Dallas.
that's the equivalent to saying the Outback bowl is played in Sarasota; seems ridiculous, right?

People who live outside Atlanta are the worst in the country about this. Everyone in Georgia says they live in Atlanta. Then their house will be like an an hour and ten minutes away from downtown.

(10-27-2017 04:28 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 02:06 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  I'm gonna be "that guy". TCU is located in Fort Worth, over 45 minutes away from Dallas.
that's the equivalent to saying the Outback bowl is played in Sarasota; seems ridiculous, right?

People who live outside Atlanta are the worst in the country about this. Everyone in Georgia says they live in Atlanta. Then their house will be like an an hour and ten minutes away from downtown.

If you lived in Forest Park or Conyers would you admit it?

It's funny how this thread diverted from topic immediately and 30+ posts later has not returned to topic.

Keeping with that theme though, New York is the most different. No one says they're from New York unless from Manhattan or when out of town. They say their borough and sometimes even when they're out of town they do that.

Same thing with the Bay Area for the most part, unless you live just outside Oakland/Berkeley or in Daly City and South San Francisco.

Fort Worth is the 16th largest city in the US. it is distinctly different from Dallas, Denton, the mid cities, and the suburbs.

the image most folks have of the average Texan riding a horse, etc is true of Cowtown FW. I invite you to come over and enjoy Fort Worth some time, no need to go to Dallas