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RE: 17 Childers vs 14 Hare
(10-29-2017 10:08 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:02 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I think theres a chance you'll see Santa Thursday. There's a big misconception that Toledo has a bad defense. In conference play they're basically neck-n-neck with NIU in points allowed through 4 games. NIU 60, Tol. 63. And Toledo has played the tougher schedule. The bright side is that Toledo can be run on and that helps a Childers style offense. But if Toledo starts passing all over us I think you'll see the game change to a shoot out. If it does, there may be a switch just for this game. The Rockets are the one offense the Huskies may not be able to contain.

Childers is by far NIU's best QB right now. Santa could do absolutely nothing against SDSU when it was needed. Stick with Childers he is the best QB now and your future QB. I really don't think Santa adds anything with the deep ball either, its just opponents know NIU runs only one deep route and that's covered now.

SDSU switched from man to zone defense at some point in the 3rd qt because they couldn't stop Santa's deep ball. That got to Santa as he is pretty inexperienced himself(He and Childers have the same game time experience at this point). NIU couldn't run in the 2nd half either. 60 yards on 17 attempts. The O-line gave up 3 or 4 sacks. The entire offense struggled except the two deep balls Santa hit.

Childers MAY be the best QB. But not by far. He's slightly better than Graham and Santa is just a totally different style QB. Lets hope Childers improves his passing soon. If you try to dink and dunk vs a team like Toledo, it could be 28-3 before half.
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RE: 17 Childers vs 14 Hare
(10-29-2017 10:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:08 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:02 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I think theres a chance you'll see Santa Thursday. There's a big misconception that Toledo has a bad defense. In conference play they're basically neck-n-neck with NIU in points allowed through 4 games. NIU 60, Tol. 63. And Toledo has played the tougher schedule. The bright side is that Toledo can be run on and that helps a Childers style offense. But if Toledo starts passing all over us I think you'll see the game change to a shoot out. If it does, there may be a switch just for this game. The Rockets are the one offense the Huskies may not be able to contain.

Childers is by far NIU's best QB right now. Santa could do absolutely nothing against SDSU when it was needed. Stick with Childers he is the best QB now and your future QB. I really don't think Santa adds anything with the deep ball either, its just opponents know NIU runs only one deep route and that's covered now.

SDSU switched from man to zone defense at some point in the 3rd qt because they couldn't stop Santa's deep ball. That got to Santa as he is pretty inexperienced himself(He and Childers have the same game time experience at this point). NIU couldn't run in the 2nd half either. 60 yards on 17 attempts. The O-line gave up 3 or 4 sacks. The entire offense struggled except the two deep balls Santa hit.

Childers MAY be the best QB. But not by far. He's slightly better than Graham and Santa is just a totally different style QB. Lets hope Childers improves his passing soon. If you try to dink and dunk vs a team like Toledo, it could be 28-3 before half.

Childers is doing a better job than Santa passing. You really have this inflated view of Santa and I am not sure where it comes from. Santa's last game was completely ineffective and he does not have the consistency right now to win on a consistent basis. I know whats going to happen Thursday, I can pretty much see it now, NIU will get throttled by Toledo and people will point to QB play which in the end will be not deserving place to look. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact, coaching has put NIU in this situation. I mentioned this over and over until I was blue in the face. The season is not the time or the place to evaluate your QB position to make personnel decisions, this should have been done in August and its costing NIU now. Childers has the best tools of any of the 3 QBs, yet his development is behind where it should be right now due to what happened in the summer and the cluster*** known as "we gotta let our upperclassmen start". Carey deserves credit for many things, including his record, NIU not quitting in tough spots, etc. But my oh my, I have never ever seen a debacle with a coach and the quarterback position as Coach Carey. Somehow someway, he has to separate himself from the entire process because to steal the phrase from ni85alum, mixing Carey and QBs is a purely unmitigated disaster.

Having said all this, this year, I think we need to come to grips, Toledo is just flat out better than the Huskies. They are better at almost every position. Sometimes you just get out-talented and this is one of those years. It just makes me mad that Thursday is going to end up being a Childers roast, when there are about 3 other places to point the blame which are more deserving than that. I feel bad for all 3 NIU QBs who have been placed in this less than ideal situation. What frustrates me even more, is that I know 10 months from now we are going to back in this damn same spot with the same questions, uncertainty, and confusion.
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(10-29-2017 10:41 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:08 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:02 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I think theres a chance you'll see Santa Thursday. There's a big misconception that Toledo has a bad defense. In conference play they're basically neck-n-neck with NIU in points allowed through 4 games. NIU 60, Tol. 63. And Toledo has played the tougher schedule. The bright side is that Toledo can be run on and that helps a Childers style offense. But if Toledo starts passing all over us I think you'll see the game change to a shoot out. If it does, there may be a switch just for this game. The Rockets are the one offense the Huskies may not be able to contain.

Childers is by far NIU's best QB right now. Santa could do absolutely nothing against SDSU when it was needed. Stick with Childers he is the best QB now and your future QB. I really don't think Santa adds anything with the deep ball either, its just opponents know NIU runs only one deep route and that's covered now.

SDSU switched from man to zone defense at some point in the 3rd qt because they couldn't stop Santa's deep ball. That got to Santa as he is pretty inexperienced himself(He and Childers have the same game time experience at this point). NIU couldn't run in the 2nd half either. 60 yards on 17 attempts. The O-line gave up 3 or 4 sacks. The entire offense struggled except the two deep balls Santa hit.

Childers MAY be the best QB. But not by far. He's slightly better than Graham and Santa is just a totally different style QB. Lets hope Childers improves his passing soon. If you try to dink and dunk vs a team like Toledo, it could be 28-3 before half.

Childers is doing a better job than Santa passing. You really have this inflated view of Santa and I am not sure where it comes from. Santa's last game was completely ineffective and he does not have the consistency right now to win on a consistent basis. I know whats going to happen Thursday, I can pretty much see it now, NIU will get throttled by Toledo and people will point to QB play which in the end will be not deserving place to look. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact, coaching has put NIU in this situation. I mentioned this over and over until I was blue in the face. The season is not the time or the place to evaluate your QB position to make personnel decisions, this should have been done in August and its costing NIU now. Childers has the best tools of any of the 3 QBs, yet his development is behind where it should be right now due to what happened in the summer and the cluster*** known as "we gotta let our upperclassmen start". Carey deserves credit for many things, including his record, NIU not quitting in tough spots, etc. But my oh my, I have never ever seen a debacle with a coach and the quarterback position as Coach Carey. Somehow someway, he has to separate himself from the entire process because to steal the phrase from ni85alum, mixing Carey and QBs is a purely unmitigated disaster.

Having said all this, this year, I think we need to come to grips, Toledo is just flat out better than the Huskies. They are better at almost every position. Sometimes you just get out-talented and this is one of those years. It just makes me mad that Thursday is going to end up being a Childers roast, when there are about 3 other places to point the blame which are more deserving than that. I feel bad for all 3 NIU QBs who have been placed in this less than ideal situation. What frustrates me even more, is that I know 10 months from now we are going to back in this damn same spot with the same questions, uncertainty, and confusion.

For me its as much about the offense they can run depending on the QB running it. What they're running with Childers is archaic and no longer effective. Santa, while having plenty of his own flaws, allows for a much more diverse offense because he can make all the throws. They're both young and either would be in a really tough spot being asked to lead a possible championship caliber team with so little experience. I'll have me fingers crossed vs Toledo, but like you, I think the Rockets are set up much better than NIU this year.
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(10-29-2017 11:13 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:41 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:08 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:02 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I think theres a chance you'll see Santa Thursday. There's a big misconception that Toledo has a bad defense. In conference play they're basically neck-n-neck with NIU in points allowed through 4 games. NIU 60, Tol. 63. And Toledo has played the tougher schedule. The bright side is that Toledo can be run on and that helps a Childers style offense. But if Toledo starts passing all over us I think you'll see the game change to a shoot out. If it does, there may be a switch just for this game. The Rockets are the one offense the Huskies may not be able to contain.

Childers is by far NIU's best QB right now. Santa could do absolutely nothing against SDSU when it was needed. Stick with Childers he is the best QB now and your future QB. I really don't think Santa adds anything with the deep ball either, its just opponents know NIU runs only one deep route and that's covered now.

SDSU switched from man to zone defense at some point in the 3rd qt because they couldn't stop Santa's deep ball. That got to Santa as he is pretty inexperienced himself(He and Childers have the same game time experience at this point). NIU couldn't run in the 2nd half either. 60 yards on 17 attempts. The O-line gave up 3 or 4 sacks. The entire offense struggled except the two deep balls Santa hit.

Childers MAY be the best QB. But not by far. He's slightly better than Graham and Santa is just a totally different style QB. Lets hope Childers improves his passing soon. If you try to dink and dunk vs a team like Toledo, it could be 28-3 before half.

Childers is doing a better job than Santa passing. You really have this inflated view of Santa and I am not sure where it comes from. Santa's last game was completely ineffective and he does not have the consistency right now to win on a consistent basis. I know whats going to happen Thursday, I can pretty much see it now, NIU will get throttled by Toledo and people will point to QB play which in the end will be not deserving place to look. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact, coaching has put NIU in this situation. I mentioned this over and over until I was blue in the face. The season is not the time or the place to evaluate your QB position to make personnel decisions, this should have been done in August and its costing NIU now. Childers has the best tools of any of the 3 QBs, yet his development is behind where it should be right now due to what happened in the summer and the cluster*** known as "we gotta let our upperclassmen start". Carey deserves credit for many things, including his record, NIU not quitting in tough spots, etc. But my oh my, I have never ever seen a debacle with a coach and the quarterback position as Coach Carey. Somehow someway, he has to separate himself from the entire process because to steal the phrase from ni85alum, mixing Carey and QBs is a purely unmitigated disaster.

Having said all this, this year, I think we need to come to grips, Toledo is just flat out better than the Huskies. They are better at almost every position. Sometimes you just get out-talented and this is one of those years. It just makes me mad that Thursday is going to end up being a Childers roast, when there are about 3 other places to point the blame which are more deserving than that. I feel bad for all 3 NIU QBs who have been placed in this less than ideal situation. What frustrates me even more, is that I know 10 months from now we are going to back in this damn same spot with the same questions, uncertainty, and confusion.

For me its as much about the offense they can run depending on the QB running it. What they're running with Childers is archaic and no longer effective. Santa, while having plenty of his own flaws, allows for a much more diverse offense because he can make all the throws. They're both young and either would be in a really tough spot being asked to lead a possible championship caliber team with so little experience. I'll have me fingers crossed vs Toledo, but like you, I think the Rockets are set up much better than NIU this year.

Santa is horrendous at the bubble screen, Childers is so much more effective. Even the deep ball, I think Childers throws a better ball. In the few instances Santa his is deep receivers, they were wide open, those routes are covered now, and NIU QBs are told to throw the ball 20 yards past the receiver. Your gripe is with coaching not with Childers
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(10-29-2017 11:13 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  For me its as much about the offense they can run depending on the QB running it. What they're running with Childers is archaic and no longer effective. Santa, while having plenty of his own flaws, allows for a much more diverse offense because he can make all the throws. They're both young and either would be in a really tough spot being asked to lead a possible championship caliber team with so little experience.
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(10-29-2017 11:39 AM)NIU17 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 11:13 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  For me its as much about the offense they can run depending on the QB running it. What they're running with Childers is archaic and no longer effective. Santa, while having plenty of his own flaws, allows for a much more diverse offense because he can make all the throws. They're both young and either would be in a really tough spot being asked to lead a possible championship caliber team with so little experience.
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(10-29-2017 11:16 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 11:13 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:41 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:26 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-29-2017 10:08 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Childers is by far NIU's best QB right now. Santa could do absolutely nothing against SDSU when it was needed. Stick with Childers he is the best QB now and your future QB. I really don't think Santa adds anything with the deep ball either, its just opponents know NIU runs only one deep route and that's covered now.

SDSU switched from man to zone defense at some point in the 3rd qt because they couldn't stop Santa's deep ball. That got to Santa as he is pretty inexperienced himself(He and Childers have the same game time experience at this point). NIU couldn't run in the 2nd half either. 60 yards on 17 attempts. The O-line gave up 3 or 4 sacks. The entire offense struggled except the two deep balls Santa hit.

Childers MAY be the best QB. But not by far. He's slightly better than Graham and Santa is just a totally different style QB. Lets hope Childers improves his passing soon. If you try to dink and dunk vs a team like Toledo, it could be 28-3 before half.

Childers is doing a better job than Santa passing. You really have this inflated view of Santa and I am not sure where it comes from. Santa's last game was completely ineffective and he does not have the consistency right now to win on a consistent basis. I know whats going to happen Thursday, I can pretty much see it now, NIU will get throttled by Toledo and people will point to QB play which in the end will be not deserving place to look. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact, coaching has put NIU in this situation. I mentioned this over and over until I was blue in the face. The season is not the time or the place to evaluate your QB position to make personnel decisions, this should have been done in August and its costing NIU now. Childers has the best tools of any of the 3 QBs, yet his development is behind where it should be right now due to what happened in the summer and the cluster*** known as "we gotta let our upperclassmen start". Carey deserves credit for many things, including his record, NIU not quitting in tough spots, etc. But my oh my, I have never ever seen a debacle with a coach and the quarterback position as Coach Carey. Somehow someway, he has to separate himself from the entire process because to steal the phrase from ni85alum, mixing Carey and QBs is a purely unmitigated disaster.

Having said all this, this year, I think we need to come to grips, Toledo is just flat out better than the Huskies. They are better at almost every position. Sometimes you just get out-talented and this is one of those years. It just makes me mad that Thursday is going to end up being a Childers roast, when there are about 3 other places to point the blame which are more deserving than that. I feel bad for all 3 NIU QBs who have been placed in this less than ideal situation. What frustrates me even more, is that I know 10 months from now we are going to back in this damn same spot with the same questions, uncertainty, and confusion.

For me its as much about the offense they can run depending on the QB running it. What they're running with Childers is archaic and no longer effective. Santa, while having plenty of his own flaws, allows for a much more diverse offense because he can make all the throws. They're both young and either would be in a really tough spot being asked to lead a possible championship caliber team with so little experience. I'll have me fingers crossed vs Toledo, but like you, I think the Rockets are set up much better than NIU this year.

Santa is horrendous at the bubble screen, Childers is so much more effective. Even the deep ball, I think Childers throws a better ball. In the few instances Santa his is deep receivers, they were wide open, those routes are covered now, and NIU QBs are told to throw the ball 20 yards past the receiver. Your gripe is with coaching not with Childers

No, they weren't always wide open. The ones that Childers missed in his first couple games - those are the ones that were wide open.
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Against BGSU when he was throwing to Blake who was pretty much completely covered and had no hope of catching the ball and Tears or Blake once had to play DB to prevent an interception. It would seem to me that having Childers throw a deep ball in the middle of the field would give the receivers more of an opportunity to catch the ball. Unless of course the coaches are using the sidelines as an out to prevent an Int.
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(10-30-2017 02:43 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  Unless of course the coaches are using the sidelines as an out to prevent an Int.

Yep , I think this is the case
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I've figured it out. Childers inability to throw it deep has been a deception campaign by our coaching staff. Because of this, Toledo won't respect Childers passing ability and he will now show he has an outstanding deep pass.

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(10-30-2017 04:44 PM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  I've figured it out. Childers inability to throw it deep has been a deception campaign by our coaching staff. Because of this, Toledo won't respect Childers passing ability and he will now show he has an outstanding deep pass.

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NIU just does not have WRs that can create separation. This problem may only get worse next year right?
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(10-30-2017 04:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-30-2017 04:44 PM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  I've figured it out. Childers inability to throw it deep has been a deception campaign by our coaching staff. Because of this, Toledo won't respect Childers passing ability and he will now show he has an outstanding deep pass.

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NIU just does not have WRs that can create separation. This problem may only get worse next year right?

NIU beat Nebraska because of WR separation and should have best SDSU because of the WR’s ability to get open downfield. What are you talking about?
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(10-30-2017 06:28 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  
(10-30-2017 04:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-30-2017 04:44 PM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  I've figured it out. Childers inability to throw it deep has been a deception campaign by our coaching staff. Because of this, Toledo won't respect Childers passing ability and he will now show he has an outstanding deep pass.

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NIU just does not have WRs that can create separation. This problem may only get worse next year right?

NIU beat Nebraska because of WR separation and should have best SDSU because of the WR’s ability to get open downfield. What are you talking about?

NIU runs 1 deep route, MAC teams have scouted that and shut it down, no more separation.
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(10-30-2017 06:28 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  
(10-30-2017 04:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-30-2017 04:44 PM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  I've figured it out. Childers inability to throw it deep has been a deception campaign by our coaching staff. Because of this, Toledo won't respect Childers passing ability and he will now show he has an outstanding deep pass.

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NIU just does not have WRs that can create separation. This problem may only get worse next year right?

NIU beat Nebraska because of WR separation and should have best SDSU because of the WR’s ability to get open downfield. What are you talking about?
Agreed on the SDSU point, they made 1 play in the air against Nebraska tho
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And as expected , opponents have now taken NIU's only deep route away.
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does anyone else think we'll see Santa for 1-2 series? a very scripted playbook but something? some way to take a slight advantage of a D that's game playing to stop Marcus?

someone tell me why the voices in my head are saying this
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(10-30-2017 07:57 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  does anyone else think we'll see Santa for 1-2 series? a very scripted playbook but something? some way to take a slight advantage of a D that's game playing to stop Marcus?

someone tell me why the voices in my head are saying this

No.
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(10-30-2017 04:57 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-30-2017 04:44 PM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  I've figured it out. Childers inability to throw it deep has been a deception campaign by our coaching staff. Because of this, Toledo won't respect Childers passing ability and he will now show he has an outstanding deep pass.

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NIU just does not have WRs that can create separation. This problem may only get worse next year right?

We've been spoiled by a string of NFL caliber receivers for more than a decade. Beebe is solid and Blake has shown flashes but they're not exactly Golladay. DJ Brown has been a pleasant surprise and Tears is a decent role player. That said they're not exactly Golladay or even Da'Ron Brown... Hopefully we will have a pleasant surprise next year among our red shirts...
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JUCO or transfer wide outs are common so who knows for next year
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I really thought we would see weasely more and is Saffold red shirting? I still think Tears is emerging and only going to get better. Parchment will be seeing a lot of snaps next year and is another big body WR like we've had in the past in the MAC. We have quite a bit of options next year.
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