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Here are my expectations for each of the major sports at ODU:

Football - Bowl Game minimum, compete for conference title. Recruiting should be in the top 4 every year. Should be averaging 8 wins

Basketball - Should make the tournament 2 out of 5 years, compete for conference title
every year and average 25 wins

Women's basketball - with our history we should be making the tournament 4 out of 6 years. Average 27 wins

Baseball - We got screwed last year but we need to be making the tournament 2 out of 4 years.

I think all of those are pretty realistic. If you make the tournament anything can happen

I agree: those are high, but not unrealistic, expectations.

Question: does the school now get to set corresponding expectations on your donation level? I expect they will be high, but not unrealistic.

(10-25-2017 02:14 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Here are my expectations for each of the major sports at ODU:

Football - Bowl Game minimum, compete for conference title. Recruiting should be in the top 4 every year. Should be averaging 8 wins

Basketball - Should make the tournament 2 out of 5 years, compete for conference title
every year and average 25 wins

Women's basketball - with our history we should be making the tournament 4 out of 6 years. Average 27 wins

Baseball - We got screwed last year but we need to be making the tournament 2 out of 4 years.

I think all of those are pretty realistic. If you make the tournament anything can happen

These aren't too far off from what I expect.

Basketball: No ODU player should ever graduate without playing in the NCAA tournament. Men or Women. So at least once every four years. Hopefully twice or at least an NIT to go along with the one appearance. At large or auto-bid. I don't care. Just get there. And beat VCU at least half the time.

Football: Top half recruiting and a bowl 65% or more of the time.

I'm really not that concerned about other sports. Baseball should make the tourney frequently. I'd say no less than once every three seasons. Soccer should be a top 25 program more times than not. Same with Field Hockey.

Pretty high expectations for the 7th largest school in Virginia. Of course in football, you only have to win 6 games, basically be 500 to qualify for a bowl game. In basketball, we have won 25 or more games only ten times, if my count is right. Two of those times under Jeff Jones. Nothing wrong with shooting high I reckon. Boy, did Blaine have a good run before it went south, winning 28,24,24,18,25,27,27 & 22 before, well you know what happened.

(10-25-2017 02:30 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I agree: those are high, but not unrealistic, expectations.

Question: does the school now get to set corresponding expectations on your donation level? I expect they will be high, but not unrealistic.

25k is a little high, but realistic.

WBB hasn't made the NCAAs since 2008, so your "our history" argument holds no water. Kids we're recruiting don't remember 9 years ago; they were 9 years old. So you better come up with some other reason for your 4 out of 6 rationale.

I think MBB is a bit high, given Mac's statement, but I'd love to see it happen and I think that's possible now that the facilities piece is in place. Get the stadium built and then start the clock on FB; we can't compete very well for recruits with FF. Yeah, we get a few good ones and maybe I'm wrong. I just think the place is a huge drawback at this stage of the arms race.

That said, I hope you're proven to be right.

(10-25-2017 02:56 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  WBB hasn't made the NCAAs since 2008, so your "our history" argument holds no water. Kids we're recruiting don't remember 9 years ago; they were 9 years old. So you better come up with some other reason for your 4 out of 6 rationale.

I think MBB is a bit high, given Mac's statement, but I'd love to see it happen and I think that's possible now that the facilities piece is in place. Get the stadium built and then start the clock on FB; we can't compete very well for recruits with FF. Yeah, we get a few good ones and maybe I'm wrong. I just think the place is a huge drawback at this stage of the arms race.

That said, I hope you're proven to be right.

Whether or not the kids can remember the history or not doesnt matter, we have more history than almost all mid majors and most P5 programs for womens basketball. Even if they dont remember it, they still see the banners on the wall everyday. With the new practice facility and anyone but Karen Barefoot, we should be back to getting to the top of the conference every year.

Get back to us 6 years from now with how you did.

(10-25-2017 03:10 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 02:56 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  WBB hasn't made the NCAAs since 2008, so your "our history" argument holds no water. Kids we're recruiting don't remember 9 years ago; they were 9 years old. So you better come up with some other reason for your 4 out of 6 rationale.

I think MBB is a bit high, given Mac's statement, but I'd love to see it happen and I think that's possible now that the facilities piece is in place. Get the stadium built and then start the clock on FB; we can't compete very well for recruits with FF. Yeah, we get a few good ones and maybe I'm wrong. I just think the place is a huge drawback at this stage of the arms race.

That said, I hope you're proven to be right.

Whether or not the kids can remember the history or not doesnt matter, we have more history than almost all mid majors and most P5 programs for womens basketball. Even if they dont remember it, they still see the banners on the wall everyday. With the new practice facility and anyone but Karen Barefoot, we should be back to getting to the top of the conference every year.

I don't think recruits care about banners on the wall. They seem to care about programs they can win at, facilities, and getting along with coaches or having coaches that can get them to the next level.

(10-25-2017 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 03:10 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 02:56 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  WBB hasn't made the NCAAs since 2008, so your "our history" argument holds no water. Kids we're recruiting don't remember 9 years ago; they were 9 years old. So you better come up with some other reason for your 4 out of 6 rationale.

I think MBB is a bit high, given Mac's statement, but I'd love to see it happen and I think that's possible now that the facilities piece is in place. Get the stadium built and then start the clock on FB; we can't compete very well for recruits with FF. Yeah, we get a few good ones and maybe I'm wrong. I just think the place is a huge drawback at this stage of the arms race.

That said, I hope you're proven to be right.

Whether or not the kids can remember the history or not doesnt matter, we have more history than almost all mid majors and most P5 programs for womens basketball. Even if they dont remember it, they still see the banners on the wall everyday. With the new practice facility and anyone but Karen Barefoot, we should be back to getting to the top of the conference every year.

I don't think recruits care about banners on the wall. They seem to care about programs they can win at, facilities, and getting along with coaches or having coaches that can get them to the next level.

I guess the point is you base your expectations on what we have done in the past, if we had never won a conference title I dont think the expectations would be very high. But for a program that has had tons of success I dont think just making the tournament is actually even setting the bar that high. Karen Barefoot killed our program, Nikki McCray will bring it back

Actually it was a slow death initiated by Wendy, who just got tired. But Karen certainly moved the train down the tracks.

I dont follow womens hoops, but hasn't the landscape changed since we played Tennessee? Seems like more schools actually care about it now.

(10-25-2017 02:48 PM)mac Wrote:  Pretty high expectations for the 7th largest school in Virginia. Of course in football, you only have to win 6 games, basically be 500 to qualify for a bowl game. In basketball, we have won 25 or more games only ten times, if my count is right. Two of those times under Jeff Jones. Nothing wrong with shooting high I reckon. Boy, did Blaine have a good run before it went south, winning 28,24,24,18,25,27,27 & 22 before, well you know what happened.

We're the 5th (4th largest public) Liberty, VT, GMU, VCU, ODU, UVA, JMU. No other 4 year schools are close. LU has over 100,000 but most are online. VT and GMU have about 15,000 more than us and VCU about 5,000 more. We have about 3,000 more than UVA and 5,000 more than JMU.

We also have what should be the third largest sport profile in the state after UVA and VT, considering we have good basketball and Bowl division football. I realize the A10 schools get more notoriety during hoops season, but ODU has the third most complete overall athletics program in the state. I would think those expectations are realistic. Not much different from similar schools like MTSU, Temple, USF, UAB.

(10-25-2017 03:18 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 03:10 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 02:56 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  WBB hasn't made the NCAAs since 2008, so your "our history" argument holds no water. Kids we're recruiting don't remember 9 years ago; they were 9 years old. So you better come up with some other reason for your 4 out of 6 rationale.

I think MBB is a bit high, given Mac's statement, but I'd love to see it happen and I think that's possible now that the facilities piece is in place. Get the stadium built and then start the clock on FB; we can't compete very well for recruits with FF. Yeah, we get a few good ones and maybe I'm wrong. I just think the place is a huge drawback at this stage of the arms race.

That said, I hope you're proven to be right.

Whether or not the kids can remember the history or not doesnt matter, we have more history than almost all mid majors and most P5 programs for womens basketball. Even if they dont remember it, they still see the banners on the wall everyday. With the new practice facility and anyone but Karen Barefoot, we should be back to getting to the top of the conference every year.

I don't think recruits care about banners on the wall. They seem to care about programs they can win at, facilities, and getting along with coaches or having coaches that can get them to the next level.

And shoe money.

(10-25-2017 02:14 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Here are my expectations for each of the major sports at ODU:

Football - Bowl Game minimum, compete for conference title. Recruiting should be in the top 4 every year. Should be averaging 8 wins

Basketball - Should make the tournament 2 out of 5 years, compete for conference title
every year and average 25 wins

Women's basketball - with our history we should be making the tournament 4 out of 6 years. Average 27 wins

Baseball - We got screwed last year but we need to be making the tournament 2 out of 4 years.

I think all of those are pretty realistic. If you make the tournament anything can happen

Spot on for football and basketball. I personally don't care about women's basketball or baseball so no expectations on those fronts.

(10-25-2017 02:48 PM)mac Wrote:  Pretty high expectations for the 7th largest school in Virginia. Of course in football, you only have to win 6 games, basically be 500 to qualify for a bowl game. In basketball, we have won 25 or more games only ten times, if my count is right. Two of those times under Jeff Jones. Nothing wrong with shooting high I reckon. Boy, did Blaine have a good run before it went south, winning 28,24,24,18,25,27,27 & 22 before, well you know what happened.

Our schedules under BT were much more difficult. There was usually just a couple of really bad teams in the CAA and the low travel costs in conference allowed us to schedule OOC against tougher mid majors (Dayton, Xavier, St. Joes, UAB when CUSA was basically the AAC, and bracketbusters plus return games) and P5 (Georgetown, Clemson, Missouri) competition.

As it stands now, we ought to win 14 in conference every year if our program is hitting on all cylinders, which means 9-3 OOC would put us at 23 wins before the conference tournament even starts. In the CAA you had VCU and GMU twice, Drexel and Hofstra were often in the top 100 and at times so was Northeastern as was UNCW in the earlier years and W&M, as JJ knows, could always upset you if you let them lull you into a 3 pt contest. Assuming you got a bye from pillow fight Friday, your first tournament game was likely to be against one of these teams.

Men's Basketball: Our "down" years should have us in the 125-150 RPI range. We should hover between 50-75 with an occasional top 30 appearance.

Football: Should be Bowling at least every other year, and compete for CUSA titles at least occasionally.

(10-25-2017 02:48 PM)mac Wrote:  Pretty high expectations for the 7th largest school in Virginia. Of course in football, you only have to win 6 games, basically be 500 to qualify for a bowl game. In basketball, we have won 25 or more games only ten times, if my count is right. Two of those times under Jeff Jones. Nothing wrong with shooting high I reckon. Boy, did Blaine have a good run before it went south, winning 28,24,24,18,25,27,27 & 22 before, well you know what happened.

The community colleges are 2 year, and are systems that encompass multiple locations.

Therefore, ODU is 5th, 4th if you discount Liberty as it's figures are substantially bolstered by online enrollment.

*Liberty
George Mason
VCU
VT
ODU
UVA

(10-25-2017 04:05 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Men's Basketball: Our "down" years should have us in the 125-150 RPI range. We should hover between 50-75 with an occasional top 30 appearance.

Football: Should be Bowling at least every other year, and compete for CUSA titles at least occasionally.

IMHO this is spot on!

(10-25-2017 05:41 PM)NC ODUFan Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 04:05 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Men's Basketball: Our "down" years should have us in the 125-150 RPI range. We should hover between 50-75 with an occasional top 30 appearance.

Football: Should be Bowling at least every other year, and compete for CUSA titles at least occasionally.

IMHO this is spot on!

Me too, for hoops. I think we should see bowls a little more regularly on the football side. All it takes is a 500 season, which in CUSA doesn't require you to be particularly good.

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