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RE: Presbyterian Football in trouble? (may drop, go Pioneer
GSC probably is what the minds at AS and BS consider when they are depleted, though. Half that list isn't terrible; it's done its share of feeding D1. SAC, on the other hand...with enrollments like those within it, ANY of those schools would be in Presbyterian's shoes right now if they were the ones who went up to D1. Even Catawba, who puts itself out there for D1 games.

Slippery Rock? They may not even survive as a school; one of the few tossed out there to merge with another to make up for dipping enrollments. Maybe the school that comes from a merge between them and Cali-Pa might bring some consideration...SR on its own is sadly dying. A lot of the PASSHE schools aren't doing so hot. West Chester's the crown jewel...if they aren't going D1, nobody else in PASSHE will, either.
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RE: Presbyterian Football in trouble? (may drop, go Pioneer
(10-26-2017 04:41 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  GSC probably is what the minds at AS and BS consider when they are depleted, though. Half that list isn't terrible; it's done its share of feeding D1. SAC, on the other hand...with enrollments like those within it, ANY of those schools would be in Presbyterian's shoes right now if they were the ones who went up to D1. Even Catawba, who puts itself out there for D1 games.

Slippery Rock? They may not even survive as a school; one of the few tossed out there to merge with another to make up for dipping enrollments. Maybe the school that comes from a merge between them and Cali-Pa might bring some consideration...SR on its own is sadly dying. A lot of the PASSHE schools aren't doing so hot. West Chester's the crown jewel...if they aren't going D1, nobody else in PASSHE will, either.

IUP does fairly well too...I could see them going FCS...but as you mentioned it is all about money
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(10-26-2017 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  IUP does fairly well too...I could see them going FCS...but as you mentioned it is all about money

IUP advertises hard, but their enrollment has slipped a bit over the years. If Clarion or Lock Haven were a little closer, one (or both) would/should be absorbed by IUP.
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(10-25-2017 11:10 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 10:46 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 08:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do think that both A-Sun and Big South do some invites from D2 schools.
Valdosta State
West georgia
Florida Tech
West Florida
Catawba
Carson Newmann
Slippey Rocky
Indiana, PA.
Kutztown
Bellarmine
All could go somewhere.

Ask and ye shall receive a DavidSt fantasy list.

I found pure gold...Slippey Rocky vs Carson Newmann

TV execs will clamor to get a chance to put this game on Facebook Live.

Come on now. That's going to be an ESPN prime time game.
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(10-25-2017 08:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do think that both A-Sun and Big South do some invites from D2 schools.
Valdosta State
West georgia
Florida Tech
West Florida
Catawba
Carson Newmann
Slippey Rocky
Indiana, PA.
Kutztown
Bellarmine
All could go somewhere.

A couple of those might have a chance at moving up someday but we are not going to see a MLS movement of a dozen schools to DI
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RE: Presbyterian Football in trouble? (may drop, go Pioneer
West Georgia has a $120 mil renovation plan, including athletic facilites. Their President has promised that it won't pursue DI until at least 2020.
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(10-26-2017 08:59 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(10-26-2017 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  IUP does fairly well too...I could see them going FCS...but as you mentioned it is all about money

IUP advertises hard, but their enrollment has slipped a bit over the years. If Clarion or Lock Haven were a little closer, one (or both) would/should be absorbed by IUP.


IUP did mentioned that they would like to go to D1 one day.

GSC former schools that went to D1?

Central Arkansas
Jacksonville State
New Orleans for 1 season, and reverse coursed.
Nicholls state
Northwestern State, La.
Southeastern La.
Tennessee-Martin
Troy
UNA

Conference Carolinas does have Limestone at 3300 enrollment. They do need a football home for their team. They are the largest school in the conference.

Former CCC members.
Appalachian State
East Carolina
Elon
High Point
Western Carolina
Presbyterian
Longwood

Limestone might move up. After adding football, their enrollment went up.

CACC may have a couple that could move up. Wilmington in Delaware and Post in Connecticut. Not sure they want two for profit schools up in D1 with Post.

Could the Big South land 2 HBCUs? Bowie State with their blue football turf and Virginia State.

Peach Belt does have UNC-Pembroke who might like to have all their sports in one conference. The other is Columbus State who are weighing to move to D1 or add football. They could do both.

PSAC do have schools with more than 10,000.
Indiana, PA. close to 15,000
Kutztown over 10,600
West Chester over 16,000

Slippery Rock is at 8,800. It is around the size of UNA. Some of the schools could benefit if they do move up to D1.
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IUP and West Chester should consider DI hockey before DI everything else. Both Pittsburgh and Philly can support DI hockey.
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This thread is officially hijacked now.

(10-26-2017 12:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  GSC former schools that went to D1?

Central Arkansas
Jacksonville State
New Orleans for 1 season, and reverse coursed.
Nicholls state
Northwestern State, La.
Southeastern La.
Tennessee-Martin
Troy
UNA

Conference Carolinas does have Limestone at 3300 enrollment. They do need a football home for their team. They are the largest school in the conference.

Former CCC members.
Appalachian State
East Carolina
Elon
High Point
Western Carolina
Presbyterian
Longwood

Limestone might move up. After adding football, their enrollment went up.

New Orleans doesn't count; none of this is relevant anyway.

Quote:CACC may have a couple that could move up. Wilmington in Delaware and Post in Connecticut. Not sure they want two for profit schools up in D1 with Post.

Could the Big South land 2 HBCUs? Bowie State with their blue football turf and Virginia State.

Not going to happen for a variety of reasons. Bowie State does not have a blue turf and why would they when their colors are black and gold.

Quote:Peach Belt does have UNC-Pembroke who might like to have all their sports in one conference. The other is Columbus State who are weighing to move to D1 or add football. They could do both.

Both schools have dropped multiple sports over the last two years due to budget tightening; they do not have the funds for D1.

Quote:IUP did mentioned that they would like to go to D1 one day.

PSAC do have schools with more than 10,000.
Indiana, PA. close to 15,000
Kutztown over 10,600
West Chester over 16,000

Slippery Rock is at 8,800. It is around the size of UNA. Some of the schools could benefit if they do move up to D1.

IUP is one of a majority of PASSHE schools where enrollment is stagnate or declining. As was stated earlier, if West Chester isn't going D1 then no one is.
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(10-26-2017 12:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  PSAC do have schools with more than 10,000.
Indiana, PA. close to 15,000
Kutztown over 10,600
West Chester over 16,000

Slippery Rock is at 8,800. It is around the size of UNA. Some of the schools could benefit if they do move up to D1.

Combined graduate and undergraduate, though. And while those numbers look healthy for schools from a robust state education system, compare those numbers to the 90's, 00's, and the start of the current decade. They used to be bigger.

And where they're getting utterly crushed is in the education and business majors. Those schools used to be teacher generators. Penn State then got in the game of putting those programs at their satellite campuses, and it's been ripping the PASSHE schools apart. "Hey, hire me because I went to PENN STATE...Du Bois" still sounds better than "Hey, hire me because I went to Clarion."
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