I read that article and found Michigan fans have the same problem Nebraska fans have, and that's living in the past glory days. They need to realize what the current environment is and temper their expectations.

There is no chance he passes on a Nebraska job. No matter how good we do this is still the group of 5. Hell I thought taggert would stay another year at usf and try and get a bigger job. Doesn't work that way.

SF probably shouldn't go to Nebraska but the thing against that is his heart and the $$$

Wow, didn't know that this, but they must have upped Frost's buyout with the most recent contract extension. Buyout as of 12/1/17 is $4.125 million. Buyout for Mike Riley is $6.630 million as of 12/1/17. Add both those and Nebraska needs to spend close to $11 million just to satisfy previous contracts. This is in ADDITION to whatever they still owe Pellini. I know P5 conferences role in money......... but they also live a high life too....... and a lot of their money is already spoken for. Not as easy to just come up with $10 million+ in liquid cash that isn't already spoken for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Every job in this league is a "stepping stone." The goal needs to be to get where it's a better place to be than the mid to lower level P5 schools. If Texas or ND want your coach he's leaving and he should. It's never going to be reasonable to keep a coach from taking that level of job.

(10-25-2017 12:10 PM)otown Wrote:  Wow, didn't know that this, but they must have upped Frost's buyout with the most recent contract extension. Buyout as of 12/1/17 is $4.125 million. Buyout for Mike Riley is $6.630 million as of 12/1/17. Add both those and Nebraska needs to spend close to $11 million just to satisfy previous contracts. This is in ADDITION to whatever they still owe Pellini. I know P5 conferences role in money......... but they also live a high life too....... and a lot of their money is already spoken for. Not as easy to just come up with $10 million+ in liquid cash that isn't already spoken for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Legit question (not trolling) - if Nebraska offered you guys a home/home as payment for SF's buyout (and why am I just now noticing that Scott Frost's initials are SF - surely that must bother some of you guys!), would that fly? I'm not sure that covers $4+MM, but it'd be awesome to get the Huskers on your campus.

USFFan

(10-25-2017 10:27 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Fuente seems to be doing very well

Because he took a job where the previous coach had been there 29 yrs & had slipped just enough for Fuente to show improvement. Great town too.

(10-25-2017 11:25 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  There is no chance he passes on a Nebraska job. No matter how good we do this is still the group of 5. Hell I thought taggert would stay another year at usf and try and get a bigger job. Doesn't work that way.

How much bigger would you want to wait around for than Oregon? That's a plum job with all the Nike money and pub they've gotten over the years. It's never going to be realistic to keep coaches from the Oregon/Nebraska/Oklahoma/other 15-20 elite jobs. What we need to be able to do is hold coaches from going to the likes of Oregon State/Iowa State/Kansas State/Indiana level job.

(10-25-2017 11:01 AM)knightastic Wrote:  I just hope Frost doesn't buy all the media pushed hype for him to bolt

Stability is underrated

I agree. I think he could do really big things at UCF along the lines of Utah, TCU and Boise back in the day where they were regular top teams in the MWC. Two of them obviously were elevated as a result.

(10-25-2017 12:25 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 11:25 AM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  There is no chance he passes on a Nebraska job. No matter how good we do this is still the group of 5. Hell I thought taggert would stay another year at usf and try and get a bigger job. Doesn't work that way.

How much bigger would you want to wait around for than Oregon? That's a plum job with all the Nike money and pub they've gotten over the years. It's never going to be realistic to keep coaches from the Oregon/Nebraska/Oklahoma/other 15-20 elite jobs. What we need to be able to do is hold coaches from going to the likes of Oregon State/Iowa State/Kansas State/Indiana level job.

Frost already said he wasn't interested in the Syracuse and Maryland jobs when he accepted the UCF job.

(10-25-2017 12:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:10 PM)otown Wrote:  Wow, didn't know that this, but they must have upped Frost's buyout with the most recent contract extension. Buyout as of 12/1/17 is $4.125 million. Buyout for Mike Riley is $6.630 million as of 12/1/17. Add both those and Nebraska needs to spend close to $11 million just to satisfy previous contracts. This is in ADDITION to whatever they still owe Pellini. I know P5 conferences role in money......... but they also live a high life too....... and a lot of their money is already spoken for. Not as easy to just come up with $10 million+ in liquid cash that isn't already spoken for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Legit question (not trolling) - if Nebraska offered you guys a home/home as payment for SF's buyout (and why am I just now noticing that Scott Frost's initials are SF - surely that must bother some of you guys!), would that fly? I'm not sure that covers $4+MM, but it'd be awesome to get the Huskers on your campus.

USFFan

Honestly, I think that may be the only way Nebraska loosens up that amount of cash considering the $6.5 million for Riley they will have to fork over already plus whatever Pellini is still owed.

However, one home game with Nebraska is not enough to cover it. Hell, even with Alabama coming to town, I don't think UCF comes on the positive side of the $4.125 million they would get by simply getting paid from the existing buyout. Maybe if Nebraska did something creative and did a 3 for 1 with no game buyout clauses. 3 games Orlando, one game Lincoln. Yes, its a hard bargain, but $4.125 million is not chump change either and a single game with Nebraska in Orlando is not going to cover it. UCF can get any "run of the mill/mid grade" P5 here as it stands already.

As far as the SF...... it took me a few seconds to even realize what you were talking about, but who knows how fringe the UCF fan base goes? lol

(10-25-2017 12:49 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:10 PM)otown Wrote:  Wow, didn't know that this, but they must have upped Frost's buyout with the most recent contract extension. Buyout as of 12/1/17 is $4.125 million. Buyout for Mike Riley is $6.630 million as of 12/1/17. Add both those and Nebraska needs to spend close to $11 million just to satisfy previous contracts. This is in ADDITION to whatever they still owe Pellini. I know P5 conferences role in money......... but they also live a high life too....... and a lot of their money is already spoken for. Not as easy to just come up with $10 million+ in liquid cash that isn't already spoken for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Legit question (not trolling) - if Nebraska offered you guys a home/home as payment for SF's buyout (and why am I just now noticing that Scott Frost's initials are SF - surely that must bother some of you guys!), would that fly? I'm not sure that covers $4+MM, but it'd be awesome to get the Huskers on your campus.

USFFan

Honestly, I think that may be the only way Nebraska loosens up that amount of cash considering the $6.5 million for Riley they will have to fork over already plus whatever Pellini is still owed.

However, one home game with Nebraska is not enough to cover it. Hell, even with Alabama coming to town, I don't think UCF comes on the positive side of the $4.125 million they would get by simply getting paid from the existing buyout. Maybe if Nebraska did something creative and did a 3 for 1 with no game buyout clauses. 3 games Orlando, one game Lincoln. Yes, its a hard bargain, but $4.125 million is not chump change either and a single game with Nebraska in Orlando is not going to cover it. UCF can get any "run of the mill/mid grade" P5 here as it stands already.

As far as the SF...... it took me a few seconds to even realize what you were talking about, but who knows how fringe the UCF fan base goes? lol

I honestly don't think Nebraska football would have any problem coming up with money if they were getting a coach they thought would bring them back to relevance ...

(10-25-2017 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:49 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:10 PM)otown Wrote:  Wow, didn't know that this, but they must have upped Frost's buyout with the most recent contract extension. Buyout as of 12/1/17 is $4.125 million. Buyout for Mike Riley is $6.630 million as of 12/1/17. Add both those and Nebraska needs to spend close to $11 million just to satisfy previous contracts. This is in ADDITION to whatever they still owe Pellini. I know P5 conferences role in money......... but they also live a high life too....... and a lot of their money is already spoken for. Not as easy to just come up with $10 million+ in liquid cash that isn't already spoken for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Legit question (not trolling) - if Nebraska offered you guys a home/home as payment for SF's buyout (and why am I just now noticing that Scott Frost's initials are SF - surely that must bother some of you guys!), would that fly? I'm not sure that covers $4+MM, but it'd be awesome to get the Huskers on your campus.

USFFan

Honestly, I think that may be the only way Nebraska loosens up that amount of cash considering the $6.5 million for Riley they will have to fork over already plus whatever Pellini is still owed.

However, one home game with Nebraska is not enough to cover it. Hell, even with Alabama coming to town, I don't think UCF comes on the positive side of the $4.125 million they would get by simply getting paid from the existing buyout. Maybe if Nebraska did something creative and did a 3 for 1 with no game buyout clauses. 3 games Orlando, one game Lincoln. Yes, its a hard bargain, but $4.125 million is not chump change either and a single game with Nebraska in Orlando is not going to cover it. UCF can get any "run of the mill/mid grade" P5 here as it stands already.

As far as the SF...... it took me a few seconds to even realize what you were talking about, but who knows how fringe the UCF fan base goes? lol

I honestly don't think Nebraska football would have any problem coming up with money if they were getting a coach they thought would bring them back to relevance ...

Not really. This is where the rich..... live rich. They got bills to pay. They gotta keep up with the Jones'. Just like how lots of professional athletes wind up bankrupt. Nebraska only made $9 million profit last year. Their revenues are rising, but so are their expenses. Do you think that that $9 million profit this year and previous years profits are not hedged against some other projects or refinancing schemes? Heck, the previous years they only made $8 and $4 million respectively.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/nebra...c25a2.html

(10-25-2017 01:01 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:49 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:10 PM)otown Wrote:  Wow, didn't know that this, but they must have upped Frost's buyout with the most recent contract extension. Buyout as of 12/1/17 is $4.125 million. Buyout for Mike Riley is $6.630 million as of 12/1/17. Add both those and Nebraska needs to spend close to $11 million just to satisfy previous contracts. This is in ADDITION to whatever they still owe Pellini. I know P5 conferences role in money......... but they also live a high life too....... and a lot of their money is already spoken for. Not as easy to just come up with $10 million+ in liquid cash that isn't already spoken for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Legit question (not trolling) - if Nebraska offered you guys a home/home as payment for SF's buyout (and why am I just now noticing that Scott Frost's initials are SF - surely that must bother some of you guys!), would that fly? I'm not sure that covers $4+MM, but it'd be awesome to get the Huskers on your campus.

USFFan

Honestly, I think that may be the only way Nebraska loosens up that amount of cash considering the $6.5 million for Riley they will have to fork over already plus whatever Pellini is still owed.

However, one home game with Nebraska is not enough to cover it. Hell, even with Alabama coming to town, I don't think UCF comes on the positive side of the $4.125 million they would get by simply getting paid from the existing buyout. Maybe if Nebraska did something creative and did a 3 for 1 with no game buyout clauses. 3 games Orlando, one game Lincoln. Yes, its a hard bargain, but $4.125 million is not chump change either and a single game with Nebraska in Orlando is not going to cover it. UCF can get any "run of the mill/mid grade" P5 here as it stands already.

As far as the SF...... it took me a few seconds to even realize what you were talking about, but who knows how fringe the UCF fan base goes? lol

I honestly don't think Nebraska football would have any problem coming up with money if they were getting a coach they thought would bring them back to relevance ...

Not really. This is where the rich..... live rich. They got bills to pay. They gotta keep up with the Jones'. Just like how lots of professional athletes wind up bankrupt. Nebraska only made $9 million profit last year. Their revenues are rising, but so are their expenses. Do you think that that $9 million profit this year and previous years profits are not hedged against some other projects or refinancing schemes? Heck, the previous years they only made $8 and $4 million respectively.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/nebra...c25a2.html

and how much profit do our schools in AAC make?
Whether we like it or not, the facts are that we are at big disadvantage in money that they can throw at a coach. As long as we are not able to get into playoffs thats a huge drawback in keeping any new coach.

So a program like Nebraska can offer more money, more fan support and higher exposure than any AAC school. If Nebraska was 6-0 they would right now be in the talks about playoffs. AAC undefeated school we are talking about NY6 bowl at best. Lose a game Nebraska goes top a major bowl maybe even a NY6 one, AAC school loses one will be in Birmingham vs 6-6 SEC team.

Those are facts that are hard to ignore for a young coach that needs to strike while the iron is hot. I remember at USF people were ready to fire Taggart in first two years and then wanted him to stay. Frost or any other coach stays in AAC and has a couple of 7-5 seasons and the offers dry up and the fans want changes.

I dont blame any coach for moving on for higher paying/more exposure jobs when they are winning.

None of our programs are better than even middle of the road schools in the SEC/ACC/BigTen/Big12 or PAC, we might not like to hear it but is true.

(10-25-2017 01:37 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 01:01 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:49 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  Legit question (not trolling) - if Nebraska offered you guys a home/home as payment for SF's buyout (and why am I just now noticing that Scott Frost's initials are SF - surely that must bother some of you guys!), would that fly? I'm not sure that covers $4+MM, but it'd be awesome to get the Huskers on your campus.

USFFan

Honestly, I think that may be the only way Nebraska loosens up that amount of cash considering the $6.5 million for Riley they will have to fork over already plus whatever Pellini is still owed.

However, one home game with Nebraska is not enough to cover it. Hell, even with Alabama coming to town, I don't think UCF comes on the positive side of the $4.125 million they would get by simply getting paid from the existing buyout. Maybe if Nebraska did something creative and did a 3 for 1 with no game buyout clauses. 3 games Orlando, one game Lincoln. Yes, its a hard bargain, but $4.125 million is not chump change either and a single game with Nebraska in Orlando is not going to cover it. UCF can get any "run of the mill/mid grade" P5 here as it stands already.

As far as the SF...... it took me a few seconds to even realize what you were talking about, but who knows how fringe the UCF fan base goes? lol

I honestly don't think Nebraska football would have any problem coming up with money if they were getting a coach they thought would bring them back to relevance ...

Not really. This is where the rich..... live rich. They got bills to pay. They gotta keep up with the Jones'. Just like how lots of professional athletes wind up bankrupt. Nebraska only made $9 million profit last year. Their revenues are rising, but so are their expenses. Do you think that that $9 million profit this year and previous years profits are not hedged against some other projects or refinancing schemes? Heck, the previous years they only made $8 and $4 million respectively.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/nebra...c25a2.html

and how much profit do our schools in AAC make?
Whether we like it or not, the facts are that we are at big disadvantage in money that they can throw at a coach. As long as we are not able to get into playoffs thats a huge drawback in keeping any new coach.

So a program like Nebraska can offer more money, more fan support and higher exposure than any AAC school. If Nebraska was 6-0 they would right now be in the talks about playoffs. AAC undefeated school we are talking about NY6 bowl at best. Lose a game Nebraska goes top a major bowl maybe even a NY6 one, AAC school loses one will be in Birmingham vs 6-6 SEC team.

Those are facts that are hard to ignore for a young coach that needs to strike while the iron is hot. I remember at USF people were ready to fire Taggart in first two years and then wanted him to stay. Frost or any other coach stays in AAC and has a couple of 7-5 seasons and the offers dry up and the fans want changes.

I dont blame any coach for moving on for higher paying/more exposure jobs when they are winning.

None of our programs are better than even middle of the road schools in the SEC/ACC/BigTen/Big12 or PAC, we might not like to hear it but is true.

Actually they are. HC at UCF can win big with an occasional off year, get paid almost as much as in the middle of the road (MOR) P5 and have much better job security & stability. A G5 HC hire to a MOR SEC program comes in as a hired gun to help that school not be MOR. When it shows it won't happen after 3-4 years, he is fired. And he won't get that UCF job back that has continued to win big. You can substitute Memphis or several other AAC schools that offer the same opportunities. The MOR P-5 job comes with much more expectation to improve & not be MOR. So you win big or get fired. Much easier to win big if you're good & can recruit in the AAC than at a MOR P-5 job. I continue to use Barry Odom at MO as the poster child for this scenario. He'll be gone either this year or next & then what - G4 DC?

If UCF can win consistently, OC Troy Walters and DC Erik Chinander can get top AAC jobs like USF, ECU and Houston as next gigs. No reason to break up the band until the right opportunity presents itself, especially when you can win on demand.

(10-25-2017 01:37 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 01:01 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:52 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:49 PM)otown Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 12:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  Legit question (not trolling) - if Nebraska offered you guys a home/home as payment for SF's buyout (and why am I just now noticing that Scott Frost's initials are SF - surely that must bother some of you guys!), would that fly? I'm not sure that covers $4+MM, but it'd be awesome to get the Huskers on your campus.

USFFan

Honestly, I think that may be the only way Nebraska loosens up that amount of cash considering the $6.5 million for Riley they will have to fork over already plus whatever Pellini is still owed.

However, one home game with Nebraska is not enough to cover it. Hell, even with Alabama coming to town, I don't think UCF comes on the positive side of the $4.125 million they would get by simply getting paid from the existing buyout. Maybe if Nebraska did something creative and did a 3 for 1 with no game buyout clauses. 3 games Orlando, one game Lincoln. Yes, its a hard bargain, but $4.125 million is not chump change either and a single game with Nebraska in Orlando is not going to cover it. UCF can get any "run of the mill/mid grade" P5 here as it stands already.

As far as the SF...... it took me a few seconds to even realize what you were talking about, but who knows how fringe the UCF fan base goes? lol

I honestly don't think Nebraska football would have any problem coming up with money if they were getting a coach they thought would bring them back to relevance ...

Not really. This is where the rich..... live rich. They got bills to pay. They gotta keep up with the Jones'. Just like how lots of professional athletes wind up bankrupt. Nebraska only made $9 million profit last year. Their revenues are rising, but so are their expenses. Do you think that that $9 million profit this year and previous years profits are not hedged against some other projects or refinancing schemes? Heck, the previous years they only made $8 and $4 million respectively.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/nebra...c25a2.html

and how much profit do our schools in AAC make?
Whether we like it or not, the facts are that we are at big disadvantage in money that they can throw at a coach. As long as we are not able to get into playoffs thats a huge drawback in keeping any new coach.

So a program like Nebraska can offer more money, more fan support and higher exposure than any AAC school. If Nebraska was 6-0 they would right now be in the talks about playoffs. AAC undefeated school we are talking about NY6 bowl at best. Lose a game Nebraska goes top a major bowl maybe even a NY6 one, AAC school loses one will be in Birmingham vs 6-6 SEC team.

Those are facts that are hard to ignore for a young coach that needs to strike while the iron is hot. I remember at USF people were ready to fire Taggart in first two years and then wanted him to stay. Frost or any other coach stays in AAC and has a couple of 7-5 seasons and the offers dry up and the fans want changes.

I dont blame any coach for moving on for higher paying/more exposure jobs when they are winning.

None of our programs are better than even middle of the road schools in the SEC/ACC/BigTen/Big12 or PAC, we might not like to hear it but is true.

You are completely missing the point. I am strictly speaking about the mountain Nebraska will have to climb to make a down payment just to put to bed 2 contracts plus Pellini. This has nothing to do with how much they can offer the coach, which is usually budgeted already. I am not even arguing the merits of which job is more desirable, Nebraska vs UCF. They both have their pluses and negatives.

One advantage that UCF has, which is a built in advantage, is that they already have a student body subsidy. Just like in the government, its hard to take away welfare once its started, likewise for this. On the other end of the sword, I don't believe Nebraska has that welfare/subsidy built in, and they never would be allowed to start one easily to pay for any one time added expenses (I could be wrong here though).

So in theory, it may be easier for UCF to start paying Frost $3.5 million a year with creative financing and fundraising, vs Nebraska having to come up with $11 million dollars, plus the extra money premium Scott Frost will command over Riley.

This is all hypothetical speaking and wondering out loud.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/carriker/ca...4aa6c.html
Ahman Green is close with Frost.



"With that being said, if it is Scott coming in I don’t believe it’ll be this year or this offseason because he just got to UCF and he’s doing a fantastic job down there. They’re undefeated right now and averaging over 40 points per game. Almost similar to what we had 20 years ago with 400 yards on the ground, 100 or 200 in the air, and a strong defense. I was down there this past April with Scott and he looked like he was having a good time on the beach, so I don’t think he’s going to be leaving Central Florida anytime soon. He loves that environment, and that’s what they’ve been looking for at that university cause they’ve been right in the middle of the pack as a mid-major university and they’re looking to step up. Having Scott and his coaching staff there, the administration and everybody is happy. So if he does come here, it’ll be 2, maybe 3, years before you see Scott Frost coaching on the sidelines in Lincoln."


When you see quotes like this it makes me think he is in no rush to jump in the Grinder trying to Recruit to Nebraska.

(10-25-2017 03:56 PM)knightastic Wrote:  http://www.omaha.com/huskers/carriker/ca...4aa6c.html
Ahman Green is close with Frost.



"With that being said, if it is Scott coming in I don’t believe it’ll be this year or this offseason because he just got to UCF and he’s doing a fantastic job down there. They’re undefeated right now and averaging over 40 points per game. Almost similar to what we had 20 years ago with 400 yards on the ground, 100 or 200 in the air, and a strong defense. I was down there this past April with Scott and he looked like he was having a good time on the beach, so I don’t think he’s going to be leaving Central Florida anytime soon. He loves that environment, and that’s what they’ve been looking for at that university cause they’ve been right in the middle of the pack as a mid-major university and they’re looking to step up. Having Scott and his coaching staff there, the administration and everybody is happy. So if he does come here, it’ll be 2, maybe 3, years before you see Scott Frost coaching on the sidelines in Lincoln."


When you see quotes like this it makes me think he is in no rush to jump in the Grinder trying to Recruit to Nebraska.

Orlando is on the beach? When did that happen?

(10-25-2017 04:01 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 03:56 PM)knightastic Wrote:  http://www.omaha.com/huskers/carriker/ca...4aa6c.html
Ahman Green is close with Frost.



"With that being said, if it is Scott coming in I don’t believe it’ll be this year or this offseason because he just got to UCF and he’s doing a fantastic job down there. They’re undefeated right now and averaging over 40 points per game. Almost similar to what we had 20 years ago with 400 yards on the ground, 100 or 200 in the air, and a strong defense. I was down there this past April with Scott and he looked like he was having a good time on the beach, so I don’t think he’s going to be leaving Central Florida anytime soon. He loves that environment, and that’s what they’ve been looking for at that university cause they’ve been right in the middle of the pack as a mid-major university and they’re looking to step up. Having Scott and his coaching staff there, the administration and everybody is happy. So if he does come here, it’ll be 2, maybe 3, years before you see Scott Frost coaching on the sidelines in Lincoln."


When you see quotes like this it makes me think he is in no rush to jump in the Grinder trying to Recruit to Nebraska.

Orlando is on the beach? When did that happen?

UCF is on the East Side of Orlando. It's pretty easy to get to Cocoa Beach Pier in 40-45 minutes & it's mostly backroads that rarely have traffic