Quote:KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said he's unsure if the NCAA is capable of adequately governing college athletics in the wake of the bribery scandal and federal investigation into basketball.

"I think that remains to be seen," Bowlsby said Tuesday at the league's media day for men's basketball. "The challenge for the NCAA is that it doesn't have the same tools at its disposal that [the] federal government does, so it's probably unrealistic to think that it can get the same results."

Sounds like Bowlsby doesn't believe in the NCAA anymore

Honestly, I think it's one thing for posters on a message board to say the NCAA is antiquated, but it's entirely another for a P5 commissioner to say the same thing publicly.

(10-24-2017 08:30 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

Quote:KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said he's unsure if the NCAA is capable of adequately governing college athletics in the wake of the bribery scandal and federal investigation into basketball.

"I think that remains to be seen," Bowlsby said Tuesday at the league's media day for men's basketball. "The challenge for the NCAA is that it doesn't have the same tools at its disposal that [the] federal government does, so it's probably unrealistic to think that it can get the same results."

Sounds like Bowlsby doesn't believe in the NCAA anymore

Honestly, I think it's one thing for posters on a message board to say the NCAA is antiquated, but it's entirely another for a P5 commissioner to say the same thing publicly.

What's more important is what was not stated. The NCAA derives the bulk of its revenue from basketball, specifically the NCAA Tournament. So one has to question if there is the will to enforce order in the one sport from which they profit. Therein, lies the hypocrisy of the NCAA and the number one reason they should go.

I agree that the NCAA isn't working. But what do we do about it?

(10-24-2017 10:36 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I agree that the NCAA isn't working. But what do we do about it?

Leave, and encourage the other P5's to do the same. Then we set up our own rules for governance, little schools can't out vote us, and the investigative aspects can be subcontracted out. We'd same money and earn more from our basketball.

(10-24-2017 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:36 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I agree that the NCAA isn't working. But what do we do about it?

Leave, and encourage the other P5's to do the same. Then we set up our own rules for governance, little schools can't out vote us, and the investigative aspects can be subcontracted out. We'd same money and earn more from our basketball.

Although I do agree with this. How much power are the universities willing to give this independent investigator? or should the athletes just be allowed to make money and let that level the playing field?

(10-24-2017 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:36 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I agree that the NCAA isn't working. But what do we do about it?

Leave, and encourage the other P5's to do the same. Then we set up our own rules for governance, little schools can't out vote us, and the investigative aspects can be subcontracted out. We'd same money and earn more from our basketball.

This might be stating the obvious...but I'm going to do it anyway. It has to be a coalition. One school leaving isn't going to do anything. One conference by itself would get attention and make other look at cost/benefits but it seems like it almost has to be a majority at minimum. It's going to be "everyone" all at once. This implies it will take some time and will surely involve "politics". It seems like something new will have to be set up before everyone leaves. Again, more set up time. Anyway, those are just my thoughts.

(10-25-2017 06:30 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 11:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-24-2017 10:36 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I agree that the NCAA isn't working. But what do we do about it?

Leave, and encourage the other P5's to do the same. Then we set up our own rules for governance, little schools can't out vote us, and the investigative aspects can be subcontracted out. We'd same money and earn more from our basketball.

This might be stating the obvious...but I'm going to do it anyway. It has to be a coalition. One school leaving isn't going to do anything. One conference by itself would get attention and make other look at cost/benefits but it seems like it almost has to be a majority at minimum. It's going to be "everyone" all at once. This implies it will take some time and will surely involve "politics". It seems like something new will have to be set up before everyone leaves. Again, more set up time. Anyway, those are just my thoughts.

To answer several of the last posts yes it would take at least 3 of our present conferences to get the ball rolling. I think once that is started then officials of all of the participating conferences (probably all 5) need to meet to establish the rules that an independent agency would be contracted to enforce. Those may or may not include the payment of players. But it would work either way, the main point is reaching a consensus among the 5 conferences as to which rules will be enforced, what penalties shall result from failure to comply, and how much the conferences need to collect to pay for the enforcement. A panel of 5 representatives (1 from each conference) could then form the hearing of any offense reported by the investigatory agency.

If we did break away from the NCAA then I think we need to make sure the next organization checks most of the same boxes. We don't want to get into a situation where college athletics is a purely for-profit enterprise and/or violates any anti-trust laws.

For one, I'd suggest a few extra conferences come along for various reasons.

The Power 5 would ultimately move together, but then bring all of FBS which means AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA. Also I'd take the Big East and Atlantic 10 for the purpose of deepening the basketball pool.

I'd set up a structure with 2 divisions for football...

1. The Premier Division contains the Power conferences naturally. They play a mostly Premier schedule with their own insulated playoff and bowl system.

2. The Secondary Division contains the G5 schools. They play a mostly G5 schedule with a few "money" games interspersed. They have their own insulated playoff and bowl system.

Anyway, I'd propose a joint ownership of the football postseason.

First of all, all bowls are owned by the leagues...no third party groups. The revenue could be distributed first by determining how much each game generates. The two leagues participating in a particular game split the revenue which means the more schools you get into the postseason the more revenue your league stands to make.

For the playoffs, each division owns their playoff and can split the money however they wish within the division.

For basketball and other sports, everyone is united into one division and perhaps we could use a more reasonable process for selecting postseason participants other than a committee.

I agree with farming out enforcement to a third party agency. The independent agency can determine fines and punishments based on a predetermined set of rules and regulations. The member institutions agree to abide by the rulings, but are allowed an appeals process. The third party agency will act as a judiciary if you will.

So who makes the rules? The commissioner of each league(all 12 of them) is assigned a post on the "Governing Committee." Each commissioner may represent the conference or appoint another official to act in their stead. Being that the commissioners serve at the pleasure of the respective Presidents, I think this qualifies as adequate representation. This "Governing Committee" will act as a Legislature of sorts. They make the rules and the rules are final unless the Committee revisits them at a later time. Let's say 3/4 majority is required for approval of any rule or changes to a rule.

(10-27-2017 11:13 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If we did break away from the NCAA then I think we need to make sure the next organization checks most of the same boxes. We don't want to get into a situation where college athletics is a purely for-profit enterprise and/or violates any anti-trust laws.

For one, I'd suggest a few extra conferences come along for various reasons.

The Power 5 would ultimately move together, but then bring all of FBS which means AAC, MWC, Sun Belt, MAC, and CUSA. Also I'd take the Big East and Atlantic 10 for the purpose of deepening the basketball pool.

I'd set up a structure with 2 divisions for football...

1. The Premier Division contains the Power conferences naturally. They play a mostly Premier schedule with their own insulated playoff and bowl system.

2. The Secondary Division contains the G5 schools. They play a mostly G5 schedule with a few "money" games interspersed. They have their own insulated playoff and bowl system.

Anyway, I'd propose a joint ownership of the football postseason.

First of all, all bowls are owned by the leagues...no third party groups. The revenue could be distributed first by determining how much each game generates. The two leagues participating in a particular game split the revenue which means the more schools you get into the postseason the more revenue your league stands to make.

For the playoffs, each division owns their playoff and can split the money however they wish within the division.

For basketball and other sports, everyone is united into one division and perhaps we could use a more reasonable process for selecting postseason participants other than a committee.

I agree with farming out enforcement to a third party agency. The independent agency can determine fines and punishments based on a predetermined set of rules and regulations. The member institutions agree to abide by the rulings, but are allowed an appeals process. The third party agency will act as a judiciary if you will.

So who makes the rules? The commissioner of each league(all 12 of them) is assigned a post on the "Governing Committee." Each commissioner may represent the conference or appoint another official to act in their stead. Being that the commissioners serve at the pleasure of the respective Presidents, I think this qualifies as adequate representation. This "Governing Committee" will act as a Legislature of sorts. They make the rules and the rules are final unless the Committee revisits them at a later time. Let's say 3/4 majority is required for approval of any rule or changes to a rule.

If there is pay for play there won't be any anti-trust suits. If there is not and you can provide multiple divisions made up of the conferences you suggested as long as there is upward mobility which is possible then once again you avoid the suits.

If you took all of the FBS however, I would suggest considering three divisions based on enrollment, size of athletic budgets, and and gross annual revenue. That would make for better competition all the way around.

And I'd let each division vote on their own rules. The last thing the P5 needs is the majority of those below them in the FBS determining our structure and playoff formats.

I agree that for basketball, baseball, etc it would be fine to function as a whole. But, football needs very much to be segregated.