Remember we aren’t at full scholarship either.

If they are still losing like this in two years we probably need to be concerned.

(10-29-2017 08:38 PM)BucPerson Wrote:  Remember we aren’t at full scholarship either.

If they are still losing like this in two years we probably need to be concerned.

Exactly. Next year we will be at the scholarship maximum for FCS and really on the same level as Wofford or whoever we play. This year we are still at a sizable disadvantage roster-wise. Having a good bit of our starters next year as 5th year guys who have started ALL 4 YEARS will be a force to be reckoned with. I expect us to be in the hunt for a playoff berth and possibly a SoCon championship next year.

(10-29-2017 10:18 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  Recruiting. Isn’t that still the bottom line? Could Nick Saban win the SEC with Vandy’s roster? ETSU should be in a position to attract the top SoCon caliber athletes going forward. Right or wrong?

I still stand behind my original statement of, if you want to attract the upper level players, we need the name on the back of the jerseys. I won't say "most" like I did originally, but "a lot" of the teams we play have names on the back. These upper level players want their names out there. Several teams in the Knoxville area have names on the back of their high school players jerseys, and it's a "step-down" to go to college and not have it there. Heck, my son is a 4 year starter at ETSU, he had his name on his jersey at 5th grade. My younger son currently has his name on his jersey. This is optimist league football. He will probably never play another down without his name on the back. Again if you disagree, just look at their twitter page. Almost all of them will tell you, "I like me some me". That's why the power 5 schools send out mailers to their recruits that are personal. Not just generic, because they want the player to see themselves at that school. The LEAST we can do is put their names on the jerseys.

Another thing that we don't know is the academics and/or character questions involving some potential recruits. I care more about recruiting character individuals who will not be arrested and will be solid contributors in the classroom as well as on the football field. I am unsure how often we have had to pass on someone due to off the field issues but I would support passing on such players.

I do know that Torbush is very open about his faith and values to recruits. If this puts off a potential recruit, then they should go to another school.

(10-30-2017 09:32 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Another thing that we don't know is the academics and/or character questions involving some potential recruits. I care more about recruiting character individuals who will not be arrested and will be solid contributors in the classroom as well as on the football field. I am unsure how often we have had to pass on someone due to off the field issues but I would support passing on such players.

I do know that Torbush is very open about his faith and values to recruits. If this puts off a potential recruit, then they should go to another school.

I’m wondering the same. Since the large majority of FCS football players will never play professionally, seems a debt free degree would be an attractive marketing feature, especially to parents. One gets to continue playing good college ball after high school with a free degree at the end to take into the job market. Bottom line, ETSU has some rather attractive degrees designed for an actual job at the end.

The BUCS will not challenge for a SoCon Championship or a playoff berth with the current offensive scheme.

IMO, BUCS need new OC.

Every facet of the football team has improved except the run game and play calling. Yes the defense and punting game need to improve but they are progressing. The run game ( for almost three years ) has shown no improvement and the play calling is so predictable and conservative.

Bucs have a good pocket passer in Henrick, plenty of good receivers, RBs that have good resumes and an adequate line. What's missing? A good game plan.

Bucs average 2yds per rush, worst in SoCon. Bucs allow most sacks in SoCon. What do these two have in common. When a team can't run and are in predictable pass situations, blitz is coming. When Bucs run the ball almost exclusively on 1st and 2nd down, opposing defense load the box and stuffs the play. RB has no where to run.

If you where in the stands Sat. You saw Wofford put 7 in the box on 1st and 2nd downs. They only rushed three and had 8 in zone coverage on 3rd down. They gambled that the Bucs would run twice and then throw. They were right. Game film doesn't lie.

Why do the Bucs never change play when they see what defense is doing?

Where is short passing game, where is screen game, where is pitch play to RBs, where is checkdowns to RBs, where is mis-direction play, where is pass to RB'S in flat? Where is anything other than off tackle twice and run for your life on third down pass play.

The few times the Bucs passed on 1st down, they got good yardage. They threw 1 screen pass, good for 11 yds, threw once to TE on 1st down, good for 12 yds. Why not call these plays more often.

Henrick and the offense could easily pass for 350 to 400 yds per game, plus by throwing on any down, especially 1st down, defenses would have to play honest, that would help the run game and the Bucs would have a much better chance to win. Bucs could be leading in the 4th quarter instead of frantically trying to catch up.

The fans that sit around me were most vocal about the play calling. Some were actually yelling at the coaches, especially when the Bucs continued to run the same no gain off tackle play. 33 RUNS FOR A NET OF 15 YRDS. Why run same play 10 times if it doesn't work, let alone 33 times. Why do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?

Come on OC, open up the playbook, give the Bucs a fair shot at winning.

(10-30-2017 09:32 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Another thing that we don't know is the academics and/or character questions involving some potential recruits. I care more about recruiting character individuals who will not be arrested and will be solid contributors in the classroom as well as on the football field. I am unsure how often we have had to pass on someone due to off the field issues but I would support passing on such players.

I do know that Torbush is very open about his faith and values to recruits. If this puts off a potential recruit, then they should go to another school.

This sounds good but I wish our competing schools would have to recruit to the same high ideals.

This team needs some serious help in the offensive line, and a second running back wouldn't hurt, either. But I really feel like they're close. To be a team not at full strength scholarship wise to play teams the way they have, we're getting there. I'm still not personally sold on Carl Torbush, but the next two years are telling. 2018 they need to win 7, and 2019 should be 8+. Anything less should be viewed as a failure.

(10-30-2017 04:49 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  This team needs some serious help in the offensive line, and a second running back wouldn't hurt, either. But I really feel like they're close. To be a team not at full strength scholarship wise to play teams the way they have, we're getting there. I'm still not personally sold on Carl Torbush, but the next two years are telling. 2018 they need to win 7, and 2019 should be 8+. Anything less should be viewed as a failure.

Only problem with 2019 is we will again have a young team in a lot of areas.

I am afraid that we might have more holes to fill next season. Listening to the coaches show talking about Senior day brought up the issue of some students that have to make the decision to come back for a 5th season or go take a job instead. Many of these redshirt juniors this season, including several of our starters, may graduate instead of coming back for a 5th year.

(10-30-2017 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  I am afraid that we might have more holes to fill next season. Listening to the coaches show talking about Senior day brought up the issue of some students that have to make the decision to come back for a 5th season or go take a job instead. Many of these redshirt juniors this season, including several of our starters, may graduate instead of coming back for a 5th year.

Why the hell would they do that?

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  I am afraid that we might have more holes to fill next season. Listening to the coaches show talking about Senior day brought up the issue of some students that have to make the decision to come back for a 5th season or go take a job instead. Many of these redshirt juniors this season, including several of our starters, may graduate instead of coming back for a 5th year.

Why the hell would they do that?

Herink is one. He says he's coming back. But you never know what might be out there. Graduate student transfer to another school? Job?

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  I am afraid that we might have more holes to fill next season. Listening to the coaches show talking about Senior day brought up the issue of some students that have to make the decision to come back for a 5th season or go take a job instead. Many of these redshirt juniors this season, including several of our starters, may graduate instead of coming back for a 5th year.

Why the hell would they do that?

Not everyone wants to go to graduate school. Not everyone will meet graduate school entrance requirements.

(10-31-2017 09:45 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  I am afraid that we might have more holes to fill next season. Listening to the coaches show talking about Senior day brought up the issue of some students that have to make the decision to come back for a 5th season or go take a job instead. Many of these redshirt juniors this season, including several of our starters, may graduate instead of coming back for a 5th year.

Why the hell would they do that?

Not everyone wants to go to graduate school. Not everyone will meet graduate school entrance requirements.

They can also transfer elsewhere and play for a year, and not have to sit, if they have graduated. I doubt many of our guys who have played a lot would do that, however. If they haven't played, sure.

(10-31-2017 11:15 AM)Buckyball Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 09:45 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 07:26 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:51 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  I am afraid that we might have more holes to fill next season. Listening to the coaches show talking about Senior day brought up the issue of some students that have to make the decision to come back for a 5th season or go take a job instead. Many of these redshirt juniors this season, including several of our starters, may graduate instead of coming back for a 5th year.

Why the hell would they do that?

Not everyone wants to go to graduate school. Not everyone will meet graduate school entrance requirements.

They can also transfer elsewhere and play for a year, and not have to sit, if they have graduated. I doubt many of our guys who have played a lot would do that, however. If they haven't played, sure.

Correct, they would be transferring as a graduate student.

On that note, Dalton Ponchillia who was a graduate transfer who left for Western Kentucky has played in 2 games and has 1 catch.

(10-31-2017 12:57 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  On that note, Dalton Ponchillia who was a graduate transfer who left for Western Kentucky has played in 2 games and has 1 catch.

Dang i didn't even recognize he existed this year.... What happened, he was a play maker last year. Also I hope all the starters come back for a fifth year because we could be so dang good next year in my opinion. Just let jobs wait and get another major if they can't get in grad school.

(10-31-2017 04:18 PM)BucFan1244 Wrote:  

(10-31-2017 12:57 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  On that note, Dalton Ponchillia who was a graduate transfer who left for Western Kentucky has played in 2 games and has 1 catch.

Dang i didn't even recognize he existed this year.... What happened, he was a play maker last year. Also I hope all the starters come back for a fifth year because we could be so dang good next year in my opinion. Just let jobs wait and get another major if they can't get in grad school.

I don't believe getting another major is an option without impacting team APR guidelines. Someone who has better knowledge might want to chime in.

(10-31-2017 12:57 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  On that note, Dalton Ponchillia who was a graduate transfer who left for Western Kentucky has played in 2 games and has 1 catch.

Could it be that he transferred to Western Kentucky for reasons other than playing football?

Oh yes, I know that. Just stating a fact.


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