(10-16-2017 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We will never get it right over there. Perhaps there isn't even a right to get. We should just leave.

Winner

(10-17-2017 03:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Obama has far too much compassion and empathy to be associated with that turd Trump.

Obama has a massive ego that understands that if you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can buy Paul's vote, and enough Paul's can win you an election and keep you in power.

I think that is probably the only principle he understood and the only one he followed without exception.

(10-17-2017 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 12:38 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Obama has far too much compassion and empathy to be associated with that turd Trump.

Obama is the root cause of the entire ISIS crisis. He wanted out fast and didnt care what happend. All for political gain. Thats a great measure of how much empathy and compassion Obama had. You can lay a million or two bodies directly on his doorstep. You can add a few humdred thousand more in Ukraine to the body count if you like.

This is not even remotely the case.

Quote:After nearly a year of air strikes led by the U.S. and ground attacks by the U.S.-trained Iraqi army, the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) is proving to be a far more cagey and cunning foe than the Pentagon ever expected. A big reason for its success is the George W. Bush Administration’s decision to disband the Iraqi army shortly after the 2003 invasion—without the knowledge or consent of either the Pentagon or President.

It’s a jarring reminder of how a key decision made long ago is complicating U.S. efforts to fight ISIS and restore some semblance of stability to Iraq. Instead of giving Iraq a fresh start with a new army, it helped create a vacuum that ISIS has filled. Anthony Zinni, a retired Marine general and chief of U.S. Central Command from 1997 to 2000, said keeping the Iraqi army intact was always part of U.S. strategy. “The plan was that the army would be the foundation of rebuilding the Iraqi military,” he says. “Many of the Sunnis who were chased out ended up on the other side and are probably ISIS fighters and leaders now.” One expert estimates that more than 25 of ISIS’s top 40 leaders once served in the Iraqi military.

General Ray Odierno, the Army chief of staff, says the U.S. could have weeded Saddam Hussein’s loyalists from the Iraqi army while keeping its structure, and the bulk of its forces, in place. “We could have done a lot better job of sorting through that and keeping the Iraqi army together,” he told TIME on Thursday. “We struggled for years to try to put it back together again.”

How Disbanding the Iraqi Army Fueled ISIS

This IS the reason we have ISIS. And it doesn't even address the Status of Forces Agreement or the fact that Iraq itself wanted us out of there.

(10-19-2017 11:21 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We will never get it right over there. Perhaps there isn't even a right to get. We should just leave.

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I agree. Our mission was to rid Iraq of Isis. We (they) have accomplished this. So let the Iraqis deal with the Kurdish problem themselves and to the victor go the spoils. Who knows, if the Kurds win it might be a Kurdish run country which wouldn't be bad. We know that that part of the world is so screwed up that you could NEVER have any type of lasting peace. What's needed is a Nice Saddam type of leader, one not so prone to assassinate his enemies, the Democrats, er, the Sunnis or is that the Shites? I've lost track. LOL

(10-19-2017 09:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 11:21 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We will never get it right over there. Perhaps there isn't even a right to get. We should just leave.

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I agree. Our mission was to rid Iraq of Isis. We (they) have accomplished this. So let the Iraqis deal with the Kurdish problem themselves and to the victor go the spoils. Who knows, if the Kurds win it might be a Kurdish run country which wouldn't be bad. We know that that part of the world is so screwed up that you could NEVER have any type of lasting peace. What's needed is a Nice Saddam type of leader, one not so prone to assassinate his enemies, the Democrats, er, the Sunnis or is that the Shites? I've lost track. LOL

Well the message is not to trust the Americans. We left the South Vietnamese behind. The Shiites realized we let them get slaughtered by Sadaam after basically encouraging them following the Gulf War. Now the Kurds.

How do you get allies when you turn on them as Obama did with Israel and with Egypt?

(10-19-2017 10:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 09:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 11:21 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We will never get it right over there. Perhaps there isn't even a right to get. We should just leave.

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I agree. Our mission was to rid Iraq of Isis. We (they) have accomplished this. So let the Iraqis deal with the Kurdish problem themselves and to the victor go the spoils. Who knows, if the Kurds win it might be a Kurdish run country which wouldn't be bad. We know that that part of the world is so screwed up that you could NEVER have any type of lasting peace. What's needed is a Nice Saddam type of leader, one not so prone to assassinate his enemies, the Democrats, er, the Sunnis or is that the Shites? I've lost track. LOL

Well the message is not to trust the Americans. We left the South Vietnamese behind. The Shiites realized we let them get slaughtered by Sadaam after basically encouraging them following the Gulf War. Now the Kurds.

How do you get allies when you turn on them as Obama did with Israel and with Egypt?

That’s because we were successful with the Marshall plan and we’ve applied the same thought process over and over again. As we’ve seen it doesn’t always work and arguably hasn’t worked since the Marshall plan.

(10-19-2017 11:41 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 10:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 09:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 11:21 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-16-2017 10:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  We will never get it right over there. Perhaps there isn't even a right to get. We should just leave.

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I agree. Our mission was to rid Iraq of Isis. We (they) have accomplished this. So let the Iraqis deal with the Kurdish problem themselves and to the victor go the spoils. Who knows, if the Kurds win it might be a Kurdish run country which wouldn't be bad. We know that that part of the world is so screwed up that you could NEVER have any type of lasting peace. What's needed is a Nice Saddam type of leader, one not so prone to assassinate his enemies, the Democrats, er, the Sunnis or is that the Shites? I've lost track. LOL

Well the message is not to trust the Americans. We left the South Vietnamese behind. The Shiites realized we let them get slaughtered by Sadaam after basically encouraging them following the Gulf War. Now the Kurds.

How do you get allies when you turn on them as Obama did with Israel and with Egypt?

That’s because we were successful with the Marshall plan and we’ve applied the same thought process over and over again. As we’ve seen it doesn’t always work and arguably hasn’t worked since the Marshall plan.

The Marshall plan was mainly applied to our enemies, the axis powers.

Leave...NOW.

(10-20-2017 07:27 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Leave...NOW.

Yep. Let the Kurds take over Iraq. They deserve to have it more than anyone else anyways.

Time to get out and stay out.

Russia is investing in Kurdistan-60% of their pipeline.

https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-iraq-ku...78802.html

Protests in Erbil at the US consulate. http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/d8486...e2681a66f8

"...The people of the Kurdistan Region, including those from the city of Kirkuk who have lost their homes after the Sunday attack, were outraged at America's inaction before the Shia militia's looting and burning Kurdish houses.
“You were calling us the most loyal ally in the Middle East, and now you allow the Iranian-backed militia and Iraqi forces to use your heavy weapons and military equipment against us?” a protester shouted in front of the US Consulate in Erbil...."

(10-20-2017 06:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 11:41 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 10:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 09:08 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 11:21 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Winner

I agree. Our mission was to rid Iraq of Isis. We (they) have accomplished this. So let the Iraqis deal with the Kurdish problem themselves and to the victor go the spoils. Who knows, if the Kurds win it might be a Kurdish run country which wouldn't be bad. We know that that part of the world is so screwed up that you could NEVER have any type of lasting peace. What's needed is a Nice Saddam type of leader, one not so prone to assassinate his enemies, the Democrats, er, the Sunnis or is that the Shites? I've lost track. LOL

Well the message is not to trust the Americans. We left the South Vietnamese behind. The Shiites realized we let them get slaughtered by Sadaam after basically encouraging them following the Gulf War. Now the Kurds.

How do you get allies when you turn on them as Obama did with Israel and with Egypt?

That’s because we were successful with the Marshall plan and we’ve applied the same thought process over and over again. As we’ve seen it doesn’t always work and arguably hasn’t worked since the Marshall plan.

The Marshall plan was mainly applied to our enemies, the axis powers.

Yes that is correct.