(10-20-2017 11:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:26 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:09 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF undefeated until UCF wins that game. Memphis runs table in west and loses to UCF 2nd time in champ game.
Have Ala undefeated and everyone else with one or 2 losses, having to explain how Ucf with 3 top 25 victories shouldn't be one of the 4 playoff schools.

That's a very good point...I hadn't thought of the potential playoff ramifications. I simply looked at it from the media discussion side of things with a team who defeated the other having a claim to a NYB game, didn't think of the potential for a Playoff game, which UCF may have a claim to if they run the table in emphatic fashion given the teams they've played. It's a shame Khaseem Hill got hurt, I feel like that Maryland win would've looked MUCH better if he was healthy for the season.

Access bowl is the highest ranked conf champ so if Memphis won the conference champ game ucf wouldn't have any chance at access bowl.

I'm saying it would provide an argument, since there could be a chance UCF would be ranked higher with a similar record AND UCF pounded Memphis earlier this year.

Not only that, but if UCF is ranked in the top 12, it doesn't matter if they have a conference championship or not, they are eligible for at-large invites.

I wonder if making the playoffs is out the question? There is a possibility of ucf and usf being ranked around #10 when we play each other. Then maybe a sub 20 Memphis in the championship game.

(10-20-2017 01:13 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I wonder if making the playoffs is out the question? There is a possibility of ucf and usf being ranked around #10 when we play each other. Then maybe a sub 20 Memphis in the championship game.

I think that the posted who laid out UCF running the table is spot on. If they do that, they'd have 3 (potentially 4) wins over Top 25 teams, would be conference champions, have one of the elite offenses in the country, and be undefeated. It would be an extremely hard argument by the committee to push a two-loss team over them in that case. You could easily pass over them for a 1-loss OSU, PSU, or Oklahoma though.

11-2 Memphis, where UCF = 2.

(10-20-2017 02:10 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  11-2 Memphis, where UCF = 2.

UCF 11-1, where UCONN = 1.

UCF > Navy, Navy > ND, UCF/Navy/Memphis/USF win out. UCF undefeated conference champ. The excuses for no CFP would be hilarious.

(10-20-2017 01:04 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:26 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:09 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF undefeated until UCF wins that game. Memphis runs table in west and loses to UCF 2nd time in champ game.
Have Ala undefeated and everyone else with one or 2 losses, having to explain how Ucf with 3 top 25 victories shouldn't be one of the 4 playoff schools.

That's a very good point...I hadn't thought of the potential playoff ramifications. I simply looked at it from the media discussion side of things with a team who defeated the other having a claim to a NYB game, didn't think of the potential for a Playoff game, which UCF may have a claim to if they run the table in emphatic fashion given the teams they've played. It's a shame Khaseem Hill got hurt, I feel like that Maryland win would've looked MUCH better if he was healthy for the season.

Access bowl is the highest ranked conf champ so if Memphis won the conference champ game ucf wouldn't have any chance at access bowl.

I'm saying it would provide an argument, since there could be a chance UCF would be ranked higher with a similar record AND UCF pounded Memphis earlier this year.

Not only that, but if UCF is ranked in the top 12, it doesn't matter if they have a conference championship or not, they are eligible for at-large invites.

They would be eligible but if you think that this league will get an at large bid to a NY6 bowl well my friend that’s a great dream you are on so don’t wake up.
If Memphis, USF and UCF all end up with only one loss only the champ will see the NY6 the other two will be looking at Bham and Military bowls sad but true

(10-20-2017 02:14 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:10 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  11-2 Memphis, where UCF = 2.

UCF 11-1, where UCONN = 1.

Ok now I won’t feel bad when we throttle you and demean your team.

(10-20-2017 05:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:04 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:26 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  That's a very good point...I hadn't thought of the potential playoff ramifications. I simply looked at it from the media discussion side of things with a team who defeated the other having a claim to a NYB game, didn't think of the potential for a Playoff game, which UCF may have a claim to if they run the table in emphatic fashion given the teams they've played. It's a shame Khaseem Hill got hurt, I feel like that Maryland win would've looked MUCH better if he was healthy for the season.

Access bowl is the highest ranked conf champ so if Memphis won the conference champ game ucf wouldn't have any chance at access bowl.

I'm saying it would provide an argument, since there could be a chance UCF would be ranked higher with a similar record AND UCF pounded Memphis earlier this year.

Not only that, but if UCF is ranked in the top 12, it doesn't matter if they have a conference championship or not, they are eligible for at-large invites.

They would be eligible but if you think that this league will get an at large bid to a NY6 bowl well my friend that’s a great dream you are on so don’t wake up.
If Memphis, USF and UCF all end up with only one loss only the champ will see the NY6 the other two will be looking at Bham and Military bowls sad but true

Sadly, I agree. If USF and UCF continue to win, I would be willing to bet you'll start hearing more and more about the lack of competition, you'll see shade thrown at Maryland to make UCF's win look less impressive, more defense of one or two loss Power 5 teams and even more open campaigning for Frost and maybe Strong for Power 5 jobs to undercut us. It's going to take a perfect storm to get an undefeated AAC champ into the playoff. As in everybody has 2 or more losses. So, for example, if Wisconsin and TCU win out, Georgia loses at least one SEC game prior to the championship and then gets destroyed by Bama, somehow Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State beat each other up evenly, every ACC team and every Pac-12 team has 2 losses, even then you'd still have Bama, TCU and Wisconsin, so you'd need for a committee to decide that an undefeated AAC champ is more worthy than all of those 2 loss teams. Maybe (big if) they'd lean that way in order to avoid either the ACC or the Pac-12 screaming bias because their 2 loss champ wasn't selected over the other one. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

USFFan

(10-20-2017 08:47 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:09 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF undefeated until UCF wins that game. Memphis runs table in west and loses to UCF 2nd time in champ game.
Have Ala undefeated and everyone else with one or 2 losses, having to explain how Ucf with 3 top 25 victories shouldn't be one of the 4 playoff schools.

That's a very good point...I hadn't thought of the potential playoff ramifications. I simply looked at it from the media discussion side of things with a team who defeated the other having a claim to a NYB game, didn't think of the potential for a Playoff game, which UCF may have a claim to if they run the table in emphatic fashion given the teams they've played. It's a shame Khaseem Hill got hurt, I feel like that Maryland win would've looked MUCH better if he was healthy for the season.

Yeah I think the best case for the league is to have USF/UCF and Memphis continue winning and have an 11-1 Memphis face the winner of the UCF/USF game for the title. I think UCF given the stronger strength of schedule would be the best best but I think all 3 would have good shots at the NY6 game. I mean if Memphis won and they just beat an undefeated UCF/USF that is a strong win and there would be an 11-1 team and and two 12-1 teams in the league. Pretty impressive 3some.

I say getting 5 into the tourney would so wonders. Rothstein had a good artcle about the 20 game schedule and the power 7 in basketball and whether or not the other leagues are all 1 bid now. He also did a think on tranfers and the American had 5 or 6 guys mentioned out of the 10 I think if I recall it correctly. I honestly think this is the best year for the b-ball league and football is already clicking and getting better. Good times in the American which is turning into something really cool. Hopefully the media dollars show up which can vault it even further.

I think any of the 3 will be locks for the NY6 bowl, UCF and to a slightly less degree USF have an argument for Playoff. they won't get it, but simply having it discussed a few days by pundits is a good thing. It is about positive press for the AAC.

(10-20-2017 05:15 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:14 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:10 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  11-2 Memphis, where UCF = 2.

UCF 11-1, where UCONN = 1.

Ok now I won’t feel bad when we throttle you and demean your team.

Don't act like y'all weren't gonna enjoy every moment of the steamroll anyways...

(10-20-2017 02:14 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:10 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  11-2 Memphis, where UCF = 2.

UCF 11-1, where UCONN = 1.

It's happened before, more or less.

(10-20-2017 11:26 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:09 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF undefeated until UCF wins that game. Memphis runs table in west and loses to UCF 2nd time in champ game.
Have Ala undefeated and everyone else with one or 2 losses, having to explain how Ucf with 3 top 25 victories shouldn't be one of the 4 playoff schools.

That's a very good point...I hadn't thought of the potential playoff ramifications. I simply looked at it from the media discussion side of things with a team who defeated the other having a claim to a NYB game, didn't think of the potential for a Playoff game, which UCF may have a claim to if they run the table in emphatic fashion given the teams they've played. It's a shame Khaseem Hill got hurt, I feel like that Maryland win would've looked MUCH better if he was healthy for the season.

Access bowl is the highest ranked conf champ so if Memphis won the conference champ game ucf wouldn't have any chance at access bowl.

Actually they could get in as an at large and with an extra slot this year is a real possibilty. Not sure what happens if ucf some how makes play offs since they would be the autobid but unable to play? Does anyone know?

(10-20-2017 11:11 AM)Chappy Wrote:  1. Navy tops UCF in a close game tomorrow, and then wins out (which would include a win over Notre Dame) to finish 11-1.
2. Memphis also wins out, finishing 10-1 with a berth in the American title game.
3. After falling to Navy, UCF wins out, finishing 10-1 with a big win over USF in the war on I-4 to make the American title game.
4. USF wins until the UCF game which they lose, finishing 10-1.

That would give us 4 ranked teams and a championship game between two 10-1 teams.

This plus UCF - USF draws 2.0 million viewers and the AAC championsp game draws 2.5 million viewers. Our ideal season must be matched by viewership, raising the value of the league.

(10-20-2017 10:02 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:11 AM)Chappy Wrote:  1. Navy tops UCF in a close game tomorrow, and then wins out (which would include a win over Notre Dame) to finish 11-1.
2. Memphis also wins out, finishing 10-1 with a berth in the American title game.
3. After falling to Navy, UCF wins out, finishing 10-1 with a big win over USF in the war on I-4 to make the American title game.
4. USF wins until the UCF game which they lose, finishing 10-1.

That would give us 4 ranked teams and a championship game between two 10-1 teams.

This plus UCF - USF draws 2.0 million viewers and the AAC championsp game draws 2.5 million viewers. Our ideal season must be matched by viewership, raising the value of the league.

2 million is aiming low.
Black Friday 15 Navy Houston got 3 million.
Heck, Black Friday last year Memphis Houston got 3 million when Navy had already clinched the CCG berth.
Both on ABC

(10-20-2017 06:44 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:26 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 08:09 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  USF and UCF undefeated until UCF wins that game. Memphis runs table in west and loses to UCF 2nd time in champ game.
Have Ala undefeated and everyone else with one or 2 losses, having to explain how Ucf with 3 top 25 victories shouldn't be one of the 4 playoff schools.

That's a very good point...I hadn't thought of the potential playoff ramifications. I simply looked at it from the media discussion side of things with a team who defeated the other having a claim to a NYB game, didn't think of the potential for a Playoff game, which UCF may have a claim to if they run the table in emphatic fashion given the teams they've played. It's a shame Khaseem Hill got hurt, I feel like that Maryland win would've looked MUCH better if he was healthy for the season.

Access bowl is the highest ranked conf champ so if Memphis won the conference champ game ucf wouldn't have any chance at access bowl.

Actually they could get in as an at large and with an extra slot this year is a real possibilty. Not sure what happens if ucf some how makes play offs since they would be the autobid but unable to play? Does anyone know?

Yes, there is actually verbiage in the CFP procedures that deals with this very thing, which is why I know for a fact that any team from any FBS conference is technically eligible to be in the 4 team playoff. But I don't have the time to look it up right now.

(10-20-2017 10:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 10:02 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:11 AM)Chappy Wrote:  1. Navy tops UCF in a close game tomorrow, and then wins out (which would include a win over Notre Dame) to finish 11-1.
2. Memphis also wins out, finishing 10-1 with a berth in the American title game.
3. After falling to Navy, UCF wins out, finishing 10-1 with a big win over USF in the war on I-4 to make the American title game.
4. USF wins until the UCF game which they lose, finishing 10-1.

That would give us 4 ranked teams and a championship game between two 10-1 teams.

This plus UCF - USF draws 2.0 million viewers and the AAC championsp game draws 2.5 million viewers. Our ideal season must be matched by viewership, raising the value of the league.

2 million is aiming low.
Black Friday 15 Navy Houston got 3 million.
Heck, Black Friday last year Memphis Houston got 3 million when Navy had already clinched the CCG berth.
Both on ABC

Do we know last night's numbers?

I haven't seen anything but haven't looked.
Sportsmediawatch.com doesn't even appear to have week seven complete (i.e. Navy Memphis ESPNU numbers). But some benchmarks from the prior two weeks. Thursday night ESPN games:
Louisville NCSU 1.549 million
Texas Iowa State 1.651 million

I hope Memphis Houston outrated those two. I didn't go further back

(10-20-2017 11:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I haven't seen anything but haven't looked.
Sportsmediawatch.com doesn't even appear to have week seven complete (i.e. Navy Memphis ESPNU numbers). But some benchmarks from the prior two weeks. Thursday night ESPN games:
Louisville NCSU 1.549 million
Texas Iowa State 1.651 million

I hope Memphis Houston outrated those two. I didn't go further back

I bet a lot of viewers turned it off at the half.

(10-20-2017 11:08 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 10:31 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 10:02 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 11:11 AM)Chappy Wrote:  1. Navy tops UCF in a close game tomorrow, and then wins out (which would include a win over Notre Dame) to finish 11-1.
2. Memphis also wins out, finishing 10-1 with a berth in the American title game.
3. After falling to Navy, UCF wins out, finishing 10-1 with a big win over USF in the war on I-4 to make the American title game.
4. USF wins until the UCF game which they lose, finishing 10-1.

That would give us 4 ranked teams and a championship game between two 10-1 teams.

This plus UCF - USF draws 2.0 million viewers and the AAC championsp game draws 2.5 million viewers. Our ideal season must be matched by viewership, raising the value of the league.

2 million is aiming low.
Black Friday 15 Navy Houston got 3 million.
Heck, Black Friday last year Memphis Houston got 3 million when Navy had already clinched the CCG berth.
Both on ABC

Do we know last night's numbers?

(10-20-2017 11:35 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  I haven't seen anything but haven't looked.
Sportsmediawatch.com doesn't even appear to have week seven complete (i.e. Navy Memphis ESPNU numbers). But some benchmarks from the prior two weeks. Thursday night ESPN games:
Louisville NCSU 1.549 million
Texas Iowa State 1.651 million

I hope Memphis Houston outrated those two. I didn't go further back

According to TVbythenumbers it wasn't even top 25 for Thursday night. Unless someone can find something different that a huge bummer!