So, I imagine the libs here are salivating, ready to attack some dimwitted, white, Republican male for making such a statement.....

So which Republican male made that statement.....click and see

we have to thank Madonna for our young girls to dress like sluts.

(10-19-2017 11:46 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  So, I imagine the libs here are salivating, ready to attack some dimwitted, white, Republican male for making such a statement.....

So which Republican male made that statement.....click and see

You mean like this guy?

Quote:O'REILLY: So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.

Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.

And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they -- and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she's charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She's dead.

Bottom line, it's wrong no matter who says it. Again, stupidity knows no party exclusively.

(10-19-2017 11:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 11:46 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  So, I imagine the libs here are salivating, ready to attack some dimwitted, white, Republican male for making such a statement.....

So which Republican male made that statement.....click and see

You mean like this guy?

Quote:O'REILLY: So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.

Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.

And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they -- and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she's charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She's dead.

Bottom line, it's wrong no matter who says it. Again, stupidity knows no party exclusively.

I was very honest with my daughter on this subject. I told her over and over that men were disgusting pigs and if given the opportunity would do ANYTHING to get her pants...including rape if necessary. I told her the way she dressed and acted had a large impact on how men perceived her and behaved around her. Basically..."If you want to be treated like a slut?...dress and act like sluts do. If you want men to respect you?...Dress and act like a respectable woman." I understand that even doing that does not insure you can not run into trouble..but..it damn sure decreases those odds.

While we should never blame anyone ever for being attacked, I'm not all that sure that this is the wrong message to give to women.

So shoot me.

(10-19-2017 11:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 11:46 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  So, I imagine the libs here are salivating, ready to attack some dimwitted, white, Republican male for making such a statement.....

So which Republican male made that statement.....click and see

You mean like this guy?

Quote:O'REILLY: So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they're moronic girls and, you know, they don't have a car. So they're standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they're drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.

Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She's walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she's out of her mind, drunk.

And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they -- and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she's charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She's dead.

Bottom line, it's wrong no matter who says it. Again, stupidity knows no party exclusively.

Yep that girl was really stupid for sure.

I don't care who says it, it's ******* stupid

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(10-19-2017 11:48 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  we have to thank Madonna for our young girls to dress like sluts.

Started before that.

Sorry. There is absolutely no way a woman can dress that makes it ok, acceptable or understandable to assault or rape her.

She could walk naked down the street and it is still hands off.

Any and all blame goes to the attacker or if not then we are saying men have no more self control and are no better than animals. Such that if they see something that arouses them that is a free pass to do as nature calls.

(10-19-2017 05:11 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Sorry. There is absolutely no way a woman can dress that makes it ok, acceptable or understandable to assault or rape her.

She could walk naked down the street and it is still hands off.

Any and all blame goes to the attacker or if not then we are saying men have no more self control and are no better than animals. Such that if they see something that arouses them that is a free pass to do as nature calls.

I agree completely. There is no excuse for rape...period. One can not however deny that how one presents themselves to the world has an impact on how other act around them.

(10-19-2017 05:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-19-2017 05:11 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Sorry. There is absolutely no way a woman can dress that makes it ok, acceptable or understandable to assault or rape her.

She could walk naked down the street and it is still hands off.

Any and all blame goes to the attacker or if not then we are saying men have no more self control and are no better than animals. Such that if they see something that arouses them that is a free pass to do as nature calls.

I agree completely. There is no excuse for rape...period. One can not however deny that how one presents themselves to the world has an impact on how other act around them.

Of course. Everyone is judged based on how they dress.
Dress in a business power suit, you will be perceived as a businessperson.
Dress modestly, you will be perceived as modest.
Dress like a slut, and be perceived as a slut.

…but if she is dressed in any of those modes or buck naked or wearing a gstring and pasties, still no justification to abuse her.

I'm not going to click on these links but the selective quotes are the sort of thing that always bother the hell out of me...

We routinely suggest (with no outcry) that people have a responsibility to avoid being mugged or robbed or whatever by not making themselves attractive to a criminal... don't dress flashy... don't be drunk... avoid certain places... get a dog... leave lights on.... set them on timers etc etc etc etc

as if it's 'our fault' if we get mugged or robbed??/

Same stuff

(10-20-2017 03:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I'm not going to click on these links but the selective quotes are the sort of thing that always bother the hell out of me...

We routinely suggest (with no outcry) that people have a responsibility to avoid being mugged or robbed or whatever by not making themselves attractive to a criminal... don't dress flashy... don't be drunk... avoid certain places... get a dog... leave lights on.... set them on timers etc etc etc etc

as if it's 'our fault' if we get mugged or robbed??/

Same stuff

I fully get where you and others in this thread are coming from. Regardless of where you go and how you look, you should not be targeted by a criminal because by definition, rape/assault/muggings are all against the law. Ideally making something against the law should be sufficient to prevent people from becoming sexual predators, robbers and/or murderers. Unfortunately, life doesn't work that way and you have to be on guard against people who will want to do bad things to you - especially if you are attracting attention to yourself in a location that will have predators about.

You're a woman and you go to a party. There is a mixture of friends, acquaintances and strangers. Someone gives you an alcoholic beverage. Do you drink it? Ideally she shouldn't have to worry about it. However, especially if she's attractive, some dude could have slipped her a date rape drug. So in reality, if she wants to minimize the chances of something bad happening to her, she and only she will get her own drinks at the party. If she leaves her drink unattended for even a brief moment, she should get herself a new one because there is always that chance someone tries to spike your drink - if you are a girl at a party.

(10-20-2017 03:23 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 03:06 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I'm not going to click on these links but the selective quotes are the sort of thing that always bother the hell out of me...

We routinely suggest (with no outcry) that people have a responsibility to avoid being mugged or robbed or whatever by not making themselves attractive to a criminal... don't dress flashy... don't be drunk... avoid certain places... get a dog... leave lights on.... set them on timers etc etc etc etc

as if it's 'our fault' if we get mugged or robbed??/

Same stuff

I fully get where you and others in this thread are coming from. Regardless of where you go and how you look, you should not be targeted by a criminal because by definition, rape/assault/muggings are all against the law. Ideally making something against the law should be sufficient to prevent people from becoming sexual predators, robbers and/or murderers. Unfortunately, life doesn't work that way and you have to be on guard against people who will want to do bad things to you - especially if you are attracting attention to yourself in a location that will have predators about.

You're a woman and you go to a party. There is a mixture of friends, acquaintances and strangers. Someone gives you an alcoholic beverage. Do you drink it? Ideally she shouldn't have to worry about it. However, especially if she's attractive, some dude could have slipped her a date rape drug. So in reality, if she wants to minimize the chances of something bad happening to her, she and only she will get her own drinks at the party. If she leaves her drink unattended for even a brief moment, she should get herself a new one because there is always that chance someone tries to spike your drink - if you are a girl at a party.

But wait.....Harvey only raped and assaulted the women with "potential".
Where is the bar maid? Where is the seamstress? Where is the costume designer? Where is the playwright?

It's only the drama regarding Harvey.


Is it Hollywood or is it aspiring actors and entertainers?

Fo Shizzle and miko33 get it.

I have a teenaged daughter. While she should not be subjected to criminal activity, that does not mean she should ignore danger.

It is only prudent to be aware of your surroundings and behave in a manner that minimizes your risk.


Is it illegal to dress like a hooker and hang out at a biker bar? No.

Is it the wisest thing to do? Again, no.


No one is saying it's ok to attack a woman in certain situations. But there is nothing wrong with personal vigilance.

It goes both ways, but in reality, men need to learn self-control over their sexual tendencies and be a man who protects the woman instead of the man who becomes the predator of the woman. The question isn't that women are "inviting" the question is how can men gain self-control over sexual desires? Stating "Women Have ‘Responsibility’ to Avoid Sexual Assault by Not Appearing ‘Inviting.'" is a cop-out used by men and women to excuse and justify why they cannot control their sexual tendencies.

While the congresswoman was directing her comments toward women, to become less inviting also means to have respect for oneself. There then is one of many problems of American society. Few people have respect for themselves or others. Few are truly men and women of honor and integrity. Few know how to cope well. Just a thought.

(10-20-2017 05:10 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Fo Shizzle and miko33 get it.

I have a teenaged daughter. While she should not be subjected to criminal activity, that does not mean she should ignore danger.

It is only prudent to be aware of your surroundings and behave in a manner that minimizes your risk.


Is it illegal to dress like a hooker and hang out at a biker bar? No.

Is it the wisest thing to do? Again, no.


No one is saying it's ok to attack a woman in certain situations. But there is nothing wrong with personal vigilance.

There's a certain segment that takes real issue with what we like to call personal responsibility, okay? You literally have to explain out things like you just did before they go, "Okay, maybe he isn't a sexist/racist, etc."

Sad sad sad.

(10-20-2017 05:10 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Fo Shizzle and miko33 get it.

I have a teenaged daughter. While she should not be subjected to criminal activity, that does not mean she should ignore danger.

It is only prudent to be aware of your surroundings and behave in a manner that minimizes your risk.


Is it illegal to dress like a hooker and hang out at a biker bar? No.

Is it the wisest thing to do? Again, no.


No one is saying it's ok to attack a woman in certain situations. But there is nothing wrong with personal vigilance.

Dressing like a h00ker can get y0u st0p by the p0llce.

I don't like the comment because it assumes the the male as a species is naturally inclined to rape. I personally find that totally offensive. I've seen and been around scantily dressed women on many occasions and not once did rape cross my mind. Not once.

(10-19-2017 05:11 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Sorry. There is absolutely no way a woman can dress that makes it ok, acceptable or understandable to assault or rape her.

She could walk naked down the street and it is still hands off.

Any and all blame goes to the attacker or if not then we are saying men have no more self control and are no better than animals. Such that if they see something that arouses them that is a free pass to do as nature calls.

This. The end.