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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 08:11 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 07:13 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Sorry but just because you’re a coach doesn’t give you instant credibility here like you wish it did.

Ever heard of occam’s razor?

Sometimes the simplest theory is the right theory. As someone else said, run it until they can stop you. Simple as that.

Three rushes to open the game, against an 8 man front, for 4 yards, they stop you, forced to punt.

Now what? (not so simple)

Depends on how much yardage is gained on first down? Are they still stacking the box on second down? Give me something to work with.

Also... regardless... I wouldn’t let one 3 and out dictate the rest of my playcalling for the game.
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 08:11 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 07:13 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Sorry but just because you’re a coach doesn’t give you instant credibility here like you wish it did.

Ever heard of occam’s razor?

Sometimes the simplest theory is the right theory. As someone else said, run it until they can stop you. Simple as that.

Three rushes to open the game, against an 8 man front, for 4 yards, they stop you, forced to punt.

Now what? (not so simple)

3 rushes to start the game against Akron had WMU moving and gaining 6/7 yds a pop... now what? Pretty simple.
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 08:17 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:11 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 07:13 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Sorry but just because you’re a coach doesn’t give you instant credibility here like you wish it did.

Ever heard of occam’s razor?

Sometimes the simplest theory is the right theory. As someone else said, run it until they can stop you. Simple as that.

Three rushes to open the game, against an 8 man front, for 4 yards, they stop you, forced to punt.

Now what? (not so simple)

Depends on how much yardage is gained on first down? Are they still stacking the box on second down? Give me something to work with.

Also... regardless... I wouldn’t let one 3 and out dictate the rest of my playcalling for the game.

4 yards on first down, stacking the box the whole time.

Next series you stick with your same plan. 3 runs and out again.

Now what?
10-18-2017 09:09 PM
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 09:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:17 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:11 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 07:13 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Sorry but just because you’re a coach doesn’t give you instant credibility here like you wish it did.

Ever heard of occam’s razor?

Sometimes the simplest theory is the right theory. As someone else said, run it until they can stop you. Simple as that.

Three rushes to open the game, against an 8 man front, for 4 yards, they stop you, forced to punt.

Now what? (not so simple)

Depends on how much yardage is gained on first down? Are they still stacking the box on second down? Give me something to work with.

Also... regardless... I wouldn’t let one 3 and out dictate the rest of my playcalling for the game.

4 yards on first down, stacking the box the whole time.

Next series you stick with your same plan. 3 runs and out again.

Now what?

What part of "until they stop you" was hard for you to understand?
10-18-2017 09:14 PM
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 09:14 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:17 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:11 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 07:13 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Sorry but just because you’re a coach doesn’t give you instant credibility here like you wish it did.

Ever heard of occam’s razor?

Sometimes the simplest theory is the right theory. As someone else said, run it until they can stop you. Simple as that.

Three rushes to open the game, against an 8 man front, for 4 yards, they stop you, forced to punt.

Now what? (not so simple)

Depends on how much yardage is gained on first down? Are they still stacking the box on second down? Give me something to work with.

Also... regardless... I wouldn’t let one 3 and out dictate the rest of my playcalling for the game.

4 yards on first down, stacking the box the whole time.

Next series you stick with your same plan. 3 runs and out again.

Now what?

What part of "until they stop you" was hard for you to understand?

He said he wouldn't let one 3 and out series dictate. So have they 'stopped you' after two 3 and outs? Go ahead, please help me understand, coach. How many series, or runs stopped in a row, 'until they have stopped you', in your wisdom?
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 09:21 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:14 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:17 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:11 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Three rushes to open the game, against an 8 man front, for 4 yards, they stop you, forced to punt.

Now what? (not so simple)

Depends on how much yardage is gained on first down? Are they still stacking the box on second down? Give me something to work with.

Also... regardless... I wouldn’t let one 3 and out dictate the rest of my playcalling for the game.

4 yards on first down, stacking the box the whole time.

Next series you stick with your same plan. 3 runs and out again.

Now what?

What part of "until they stop you" was hard for you to understand?

He said he wouldn't let one 3 and out series dictate. So have they 'stopped you' after two 3 and outs? Go ahead, please explain, coach.

Yes, 6 straight stuffed running plays would probably do it.

More importantly your example is irrelevant considering the context and complaint was the Akron game, where that was absolutely not happening.
10-18-2017 09:23 PM
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 09:23 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:21 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:14 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 08:17 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Depends on how much yardage is gained on first down? Are they still stacking the box on second down? Give me something to work with.

Also... regardless... I wouldn’t let one 3 and out dictate the rest of my playcalling for the game.

4 yards on first down, stacking the box the whole time.

Next series you stick with your same plan. 3 runs and out again.

Now what?

What part of "until they stop you" was hard for you to understand?

He said he wouldn't let one 3 and out series dictate. So have they 'stopped you' after two 3 and outs? Go ahead, please explain, coach.

Yes, 6 straight stuffed running plays would probably do it.

More importantly your example is irrelevant considering the context and complaint was the Akron game, where that was absolutely not happening.

To take this a step further... the only 3 and out for WMU on Sunday was when they for some reason threw it on first, second and third. All incompletions.
10-18-2017 09:27 PM
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
I got you, only point being things are rarely simple, especially for a head coach feeling the pressure of his massive salary.
10-18-2017 09:33 PM
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
Well, pilot and flush pretty much just answered it all the same way I would.

Not sure what’s so complicated about this.
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 09:33 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  I got you, only point being things are rarely simple, especially for a head coach feeling the pressure of his massive salary.

Here’s a scenario...

You’re down 14-10 in the fourth quarter. You’re gashing their (worn-down) defense 7-8 yards at a time on average. In 7 plays, you’ve gone 50 yards down the field. You get inside the red zone and on 2nd down, you decide to:

A) Pass
B) Run
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 09:40 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:33 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  I got you, only point being things are rarely simple, especially for a head coach feeling the pressure of his massive salary.

Here’s a scenario...

You’re down 14-10 in the fourth quarter. You’re gashing their (worn-down) defense 7-8 yards at a time on average. In 7 plays, you’ve gone 50 yards down the field. You get inside the red zone and on 2nd down, you decide to:

A) Pass
B) Run

Well if I’m guessing what Johns would do...
C) Half back pass to the other team.
10-18-2017 09:47 PM
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
(10-18-2017 09:47 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:40 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  
(10-18-2017 09:33 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  I got you, only point being things are rarely simple, especially for a head coach feeling the pressure of his massive salary.

Here’s a scenario...

You’re down 14-10 in the fourth quarter. You’re gashing their (worn-down) defense 7-8 yards at a time on average. In 7 plays, you’ve gone 50 yards down the field. You get inside the red zone and on 2nd down, you decide to:

A) Pass
B) Run

Well if I’m guessing what Johns would do...
C) Half back pass to the other team.

You win. 01-ncaabbs
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RE: Run/Pass Strategy
This concept of not being predictable is simple, but it would defy the rule entirely if a team did it every time, as it would lead to becoming predictable again. My problem with our offense this year is that too often we have started a series of downs with a run, and defenses have been expecting it, and defended it well as a result. I have noticed that U of M has done the same thing, and in both cases it leads to third and long, which is a bad spot for both the QB and receivers, particularly if they lack experience. Pass success is high on first down. At the very least we should pass enough on first down to keep the defenses honest. We will gain more yards on the ground overall if we do this.
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