First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

we won't care....

it's not full conversation.....therefore, it's nothing more than the cherry picking that continues on this board.....

sent her a thank you card for the nice hat, btw.....

what a fake pos......

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

More false outrage. Get a grip.

You wouldn't believe him afterwards anyway.

You people focus on trivia because you are so full of hatred for the guy. Its not that insensitive anyway. It doesn't warrant a story except in this era of TDS.

Trump says plenty of really insensitive stuff. This isn't one of those cases. Its just the leftist media making itself look stupid and not deserving of being listened to.

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

If neither side produces proof, and its simply a his word against her word... why would you pick a side?

There are two main possibilities.

1) She is telling the truth.
a) If she had proof she probably would have released it to smear trump
b) If she did not have proof, she should realize this is a "she said vs he said" thing and people will believe whatever matches their personal biases.
c) Trump is lying to cover up that he was heartless towards soldiers families.

2) She is lying.
a) in this case she cannot have proof, since it didn't happen.
b) if Trump has proof i agree he should release it. But if he choses not to release it, it does not change the fact that she is lying
c) if Trump does not have proof then he's just blustering, like he does.

The problem is that we have no way to know the difference between 2b and 2c.

As well, if Trump choses not release the 'proof' he claims to have, we still have no way to know if 1 or 2 is true. She started this issue... so it's on her to prove what she's saying. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the defendant.

You're basically defending the concept that if Person A claims X about Person B and Person B doesn't prove it false or then it must be true.

To make a more charged example... a woman claims rape and has no proof and the guy doesn't prove that he didn't rape her that you're going to side with the woman.

Or to make a more personal example... I claim that you eat babies. You can either a) prove that it's not true or b) everyone will believe that it is true because you 'chose' not to prove it.

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

The s0ldier killed was a former mentor of the congresswoman, and was like a son to her. Why would she lie about s0me0ne she have feelings f0r?

(10-18-2017 08:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

The s0ldier killed was a former mentor of the congresswoman, and was like a son to her. Why would she lie about s0me0ne she have feelings f0r?

1. Because she is a libturd, and thats how they roll.

2. Because Obama and his administration got severely burned yesterday when it was confirmed that Obama DID NOT call General Kelly when his son was killed in 2010. She was simply trying to deflect heat back off of Obama.

We do know what we sign up for... try being a 19 year old and signing your first will before you deploy. Its not an easy feeling. We know and we understand that there is a chance that we wont come back.

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

The tapes will come out when they become available, probably later this week or next week.

(10-18-2017 08:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The s0ldier killed was a former mentor of the congresswoman, and was like a son to her. Why would she lie about s0me0ne she have feelings f0r?

Is there a reason you're using Zeros for Os in your sentence? No offense intended... but it makes you look like a 14yo hacker wannabe; instead of a mature adult who's trying to hold a serious conversation.

(10-18-2017 08:56 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  We do know what we sign up for... try being a 19 year old and signing your first will before you deploy. Its not an easy feeling. We know and we understand that there is a chance that we wont come back.

No joke. Having a will drafted and picking who your life insurance beneficiary is in case you're KIA is an unnerving feeling to say the least.

(10-18-2017 08:58 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

The tapes will come out when they become available, probably later this week or next week.

You're catching on.

I just don't know if someone as vile and disgusting as Trump could say such a thing. Sorry, I have to believe the liar in this situation.

Quote:I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.

It doesn't matter what he says. These Trumpets will follow him to the end of the Earth and off the cliff. It's really ******* pathetic.

I have to give credit when is due that there are a few cons on here I NEVER agree with that at least have the balls to call out the orange monster.

(10-18-2017 09:10 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:56 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  We do know what we sign up for... try being a 19 year old and signing your first will before you deploy. Its not an easy feeling. We know and we understand that there is a chance that we wont come back.

No joke. Having a will drafted and picking who your life insurance beneficiary is in case you're KIA is an unnerving feeling to say the least.

I don't think anyone is denying that you guys, and this hero, fully knew that. The issue is that it's not really something you should say to a gold star mom who just lost her son.

And according to the congresswoman, she was riding in a car with the mother and heard trump's comments over the speakerphone. I tend to believe her. And really, does trump strike you as the type of person who would say this? I think you all know the answer to that is yes. He's clearly not the most empathetic president we've ever had.

And remember, this is a guy who insulted one of our greatest war heroes ever in John McCain...basically blaming him for being shot down and pulled out of the sea by the enemy.

(10-18-2017 09:05 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The s0ldier killed was a former mentor of the congresswoman, and was like a son to her. Why would she lie about s0me0ne she have feelings f0r?

Is there a reason you're using Zeros for Os in your sentence? No offense intended... but it makes you look like a 14yo hacker wannabe; instead of a mature adult who's trying to hold a serious conversation.

My keys 0n my lapt0p are sticking. i,u, o, p, right shift key, z and j stlcks. They s0me times w0rks, and s0me times n0t.
Have t0 c0py and paste the letters.

(10-18-2017 09:30 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 09:05 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The s0ldier killed was a former mentor of the congresswoman, and was like a son to her. Why would she lie about s0me0ne she have feelings f0r?

Is there a reason you're using Zeros for Os in your sentence? No offense intended... but it makes you look like a 14yo hacker wannabe; instead of a mature adult who's trying to hold a serious conversation.

My keys 0n my lapt0p are sticking. i,u, o, p, right shift key, z and j stlcks. They s0me times w0rks, and s0me times n0t.
Have t0 c0py and paste the letters.

Protip: Buy a wireless USB keyboard for like $10 at Best Buy.

(10-18-2017 09:30 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 09:05 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The s0ldier killed was a former mentor of the congresswoman, and was like a son to her. Why would she lie about s0me0ne she have feelings f0r?

Is there a reason you're using Zeros for Os in your sentence? No offense intended... but it makes you look like a 14yo hacker wannabe; instead of a mature adult who's trying to hold a serious conversation.

My keys 0n my lapt0p are sticking. i,u, o, p, right shift key, z and j stlcks. They s0me times w0rks, and s0me times n0t.
Have t0 c0py and paste the letters.

Dude... let me know what laptop you have and I'll order you a keyboard and have it shipped to you.

At this point the entire nation and much of the industrialized world is well aware that US media is hell bent on constant criticism which much of it being fake news.


Given this, my default belief is the opposite of what the MSM passes off as news.

(10-18-2017 09:16 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:58 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 08:19 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  First off, I want to say that there is a strong chance that this information is false. But bear with me.

The latest Trump controversy driven by media and social media, is that he met with the families of some of the deceased soldiers who were attacked in Niger, and according to Democratic Congresswoman Frederica Wilson, he told the family of one of the soldiers (Sgt. La David T. Johnson) the following.

'He knew what he was signing up for but I guess it hurts anyway.'

Of course many on the left are outraged, and of course, Trump is claiming it's not true. He tweeted this morning

'Democrat Congresswoman totally fabricated what I said to the wife of a soldier who died in action (and I have proof). Sad!'

Okay so here's my main point. If you have proof, then go ahead and release the tape or whatever proof you have. Use it as a fundraising tool to raise money for Sgt. Johnson's family (his 25 year old wife is 6 months pregnant with their 3rd child).

If you don't release this proof, then I will believe Wilson, and continue to not believe a word you say in any other tweet or press conference or rally.

The tapes will come out when they become available, probably later this week or next week.

You're catching on.

I just don't know if someone as vile and disgusting as Trump could say such a thing. Sorry, I have to believe the liar in this situation.

When he says "probably", "we are looking into", "that I can tell you", "many many people" or "believe me" then it's a lie. When caught in a lie the classic go to move is "well that's what they told me".

(10-18-2017 09:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  At this point the entire nation and much of the industrialized world is well aware that US media is hell bent on constant criticism which much of it being fake news.


Given this, my default belief is the opposite of what the MSM passes off as news.

At what point will the POTUS take responsibility? Seems like it is always "fake news" or someone else's fault.

(10-18-2017 09:47 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 09:44 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  At this point the entire nation and much of the industrialized world is well aware that US media is hell bent on constant criticism which much of it being fake news.


Given this, my default belief is the opposite of what the MSM passes off as news.

At what point will the POTUS take responsibility? Seems like it is always "fake news" or someone else's fault.

And he's pretty much been on target.

Unlike HilLIARy's constant blaming of everyone under the sun other than herself (What Happened).

Even some in her party are telling her to drop it.