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This should be an interesting game to note.

Also, all of those on the board who gave akron no respect, some numbers to consider:

The Zips lead the MAC in red zone defense (68.0). In the NCAA stats, Akron is No. 4 in defensive touchdowns (3), No. 11 in red zone defense (0.680), and No. 36 in third down conversions (0.440). Individually, junior LB Ulysees Gilbert III is ranked No. 14 in total tackles (9.7).

We should have beaten Akron by 30 points, and with a better game plan we would have. A shameful loss. Toledo will trounce Akron.

(10-17-2017 05:35 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  The Zips lead the MAC in red zone defense (68.0). In the NCAA stats, Akron is No. 4 in defensive touchdowns (3), No. 11 in red zone defense (0.680)

I bet 1-4 (25.0) helped.

(10-17-2017 05:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  We should have beaten Akron by 30 points, and with a better game plan we would have. A shameful loss. Toledo will trounce Akron.

Sorry..I watched the game in person and did we have more talent, yes, but was it totally obvious that we had vastly superior athletes. NO...it was not. They had some very good players and made plays when they had to and played harder then we did. I did not see a 30 point win there.

This place is officially in the looney bin that our expectations have plummeted so far as to making excuses for losing to f’ing Akron. Holy cow...

(10-17-2017 06:23 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  This place is officially in the looney bin that our expectations have plummeted so far as to making excuses for losing to f’ing Akron. Holy cow...

It's the "good ol boy" factor. This place would have crusified Fleck.

A poster making an observation of what he saw doesn't strike me as making excuses. If you believe that his statement is such, then perhaps you are one of the folks that I was talking about.

We lost. We should have won that game, but running wild between the 20s doesn't win games. We've all discussed our displeasure. Now, move on and prepare for leg one of the Michigan MAC competition.

Lets look at history here, one season is not going to change it.

Harbaugh 25-27
Molde 62-47
Darnell 46-46
Cubit 51-46
Fleck 30-22
Lester 4-3

So suddenly after one magical season where the coach cashes in and leaves town, you expect to suddenly be 10-2, 11-3, 13-1? The competition is too even in the MAC, even Toledo, the traditional power has not won a MAC title in a long time.

(10-17-2017 06:41 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lets look at history here, one season is not going to change it.

Harbaugh 25-27
Molde 62-47
Darnell 46-46
Cubit 51-46
Fleck 30-22
Lester 4-3

So suddenly after one magical season where the coach cashes in and leaves town, you expect to suddenly be 10-2, 11-3, 13-1? The competition is too even in the MAC, even Toledo, the traditional power has not won a MAC title in a long time.

Great exercise. Now tell me each of their salaries.

It is a crap shoot... I can pull up a bunch of highly paid coaches who have not panned out. Mike Reilly at Nebraska, Brady Hoke...etc.

Money does not guarantee wins. Again, I WANT TO WIN... I want to take advantage of the great Waldo setting, keep the community into it, cause the last few years were great...

You’re missing the point.

Money doesn’t guarantee wins. But what it does do it create expectations.

(10-17-2017 07:06 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Money doesn’t guarantee wins. But what it does is it creates expectations.

If we give someone $800k a year for their first FBS head coaching gig, the expectation is that they prepare the team well enough to defeat a team ranked 99th in FPI and over which his team was favored by double digits.

These are expectations that come with the territory of being the highest paid coach in the conference.

(10-17-2017 06:48 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:41 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lets look at history here, one season is not going to change it.

Harbaugh 25-27
Molde 62-47
Darnell 46-46
Cubit 51-46
Fleck 30-22
Lester 4-3

So suddenly after one magical season where the coach cashes in and leaves town, you expect to suddenly be 10-2, 11-3, 13-1? The competition is too even in the MAC, even Toledo, the traditional power has not won a MAC title in a long time.

Great exercise. Now tell me each of their salaries.

I can tell you the last 2

Fleck salary 800K win percentage .57
Lester salary 800K win percentage .57

We should be pissed about losing to Akron and we are. I was also pissed about losing to Airforce, and GSU, and niu all those times, and Wisconsin. When you have the highest paid coaching staff in the MAC you expect great results. We still do, but that doesn't mean it's not possible to provide reasons as to why this years team is not as successful as last years team.

(10-18-2017 07:20 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:48 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:41 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lets look at history here, one season is not going to change it.

Harbaugh 25-27
Molde 62-47
Darnell 46-46
Cubit 51-46
Fleck 30-22
Lester 4-3

So suddenly after one magical season where the coach cashes in and leaves town, you expect to suddenly be 10-2, 11-3, 13-1? The competition is too even in the MAC, even Toledo, the traditional power has not won a MAC title in a long time.

Great exercise. Now tell me each of their salaries.

I can tell you the last 2

Fleck salary 800K win percentage .57
Lester salary 800K win percentage .57

2012: $375,000 - Cubit, 4-8
2013: $392,000 - Fleck, 1-11
2014: $392,000 - Fleck, 8-5 (3rd)
2015: $800,000 - Fleck, 8-5 (1st)
2016: $800,000 - Fleck, 13-1 (1st)
2017: $800,000 - Lester, 4-3

Now for 5th grade math... tell me how salary and expectations are related here?

(10-18-2017 07:27 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:20 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:48 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:41 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lets look at history here, one season is not going to change it.

Harbaugh 25-27
Molde 62-47
Darnell 46-46
Cubit 51-46
Fleck 30-22
Lester 4-3

So suddenly after one magical season where the coach cashes in and leaves town, you expect to suddenly be 10-2, 11-3, 13-1? The competition is too even in the MAC, even Toledo, the traditional power has not won a MAC title in a long time.

Great exercise. Now tell me each of their salaries.

I can tell you the last 2

Fleck salary 800K win percentage .57
Lester salary 800K win percentage .57

2012: $375,000 - Cubit, 4-8
2013: $392,000 - Fleck, 1-11
2014: $392,000 - Fleck, 8-5 (3rd)
2015: $800,000 - Fleck, 8-5 (2nd)
2016: $800,000 - Fleck, 13-1 (1st)
2017: $800,000 - Lester, 4-3

Now for 5th grade math... tell me how salary and expectations are related here?

fixed that for you. We did not finish first in 2015, (tie breakers matter). I was just as pissed about that season as I will be about this one if we don't win the MAC. Expectations are the same.

(10-17-2017 05:38 PM)brovol Wrote:  We should have beaten Akron by 30 points, and with a better game plan we would have. A shameful loss. Toledo will trounce Akron.

I don't understand how you can lose a game and say "we should have won by 30".

(10-18-2017 07:37 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:27 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 07:20 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:48 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:41 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  Lets look at history here, one season is not going to change it.

Harbaugh 25-27
Molde 62-47
Darnell 46-46
Cubit 51-46
Fleck 30-22
Lester 4-3

So suddenly after one magical season where the coach cashes in and leaves town, you expect to suddenly be 10-2, 11-3, 13-1? The competition is too even in the MAC, even Toledo, the traditional power has not won a MAC title in a long time.

Great exercise. Now tell me each of their salaries.

I can tell you the last 2

Fleck salary 800K win percentage .57
Lester salary 800K win percentage .57

2012: $375,000 - Cubit, 4-8
2013: $392,000 - Fleck, 1-11
2014: $392,000 - Fleck, 8-5 (3rd)
2015: $800,000 - Fleck, 8-5 (2nd)
2016: $800,000 - Fleck, 13-1 (1st)
2017: $800,000 - Lester, 4-3

Now for 5th grade math... tell me how salary and expectations are related here?

fixed that for you. We did not finish first in 2015, (tie breakers matter). I was just as pissed about that season as I will be about this one if we don't win the MAC. Expectations are the same.

Technically, we tied for first with NIU and Toledo. That's not incorrect. The tiebreaker however, obviously didn't go to us to be represented at Ford Field. But if you want to argue over semantics, so be it. Bigger point (that you're still ignoring) still stands.

Expectations are the same but we get a pass for losing to Akron at home. Got it.

No coach in WMU history has been given more to begin with than Lester. Salary, talent, facilities, and momentum are better for him than any other 1st year coach we've had.

As for 'expectations' for this year, I expect to be in the title hunt, beat CMU, and win a bowl game. In that order.

While those goals are still attainable, it is perfectly OK to express concern over some of what we've seen.

(10-18-2017 08:18 AM)broncofan1 Wrote:  No coach in WMU history has been given more to begin with than Lester. Salary, talent, facilities, and momentum are better for him than any other 1st year coach we've had.

As for 'expectations' for this year, I expect to be in the title hunt, beat CMU, and win a bowl game. In that order.

While those goals are still attainable, it is perfectly OK to express concern over some of what we've seen.

It's like people get pissed that a few of us saw this coming beginning with the Michigan St. and Idaho games. And they'll make every excuse in the book to act like it won't continue, even after losing to a mediocre Akron team. I desperately WANT to see us respond well at EMU on Saturday, but nothing I've seen up to this point has given me reason to believe that's going to happen and we're magically going to be consistent and efficient on offense -- of which, very little has to do with Wassink's actual play/ability IMO. I still think he's a very good young quarterback with lots of potential. But the coaches have to do a better job of putting him in positions to succeed. Until this team and coaching staff show me something different, I'm going to continue to share observations and criticism when it's warranted. I hope for nothing more than for us to turn things around offensively and prove me wrong.

How much did Oklahoma pay their coach to lose to lowly Iowa State? Washington St gonna cut Wildman Mikes check for losing to Cal? Those coaches make 4 times Lesters salary.

Some of you guys are in the Stadium Dr bubble. Upsets aren't going away in College Football. We layed a egg Sunday in many ways. This Saturday more D1 teams will lay eggs. Lester indicated in presser EMU is best 2-4 team in the country. Look at their schedule, we have our hands full this week after what happened Sunday.